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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 27, 2019 14:09:47 GMT -8
Still lots of work to be done at Gill, but this is a visually noticeable fix from the box hedges days...  |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 27, 2019 14:24:20 GMT -8
I'd ditch the decorative trees altogether. All they do is drop leaves and their roots buckle sidewalks. The leaves already in the plaza are a pain, are never cleaned up, and are slippery in the winter.
Drove by a little while ago. The entire plaza is fenced off and they've already started to tear up the existing concrete.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:59:27 GMT -8
I'd ditch the decorative trees altogether. All they do is drop leaves and their roots buckle sidewalks. The leaves already in the plaza are a pain, are never cleaned up, and are slippery in the winter. I'd like to see something with a penal code look more in line with Gill's historical background as a penitentiary for drunken natives. Maybe some decorative stockades? Easy clean up in all seasons for ya. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 27, 2019 18:55:41 GMT -8
The most important item outside of gill that is needed is a damn sign informing everybody what is taking place over the next week or so. Absolutely dumb there hasn't been one for seemingly decades. Just curious are the benches going to be made out of wood so they can fall apart like the ones in front of reser?
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jun 27, 2019 19:12:12 GMT -8
Just curious of when people think Gill should or will be replaced? I am guessing another 20 to 30 years before it is seriously considered... How long can a building like that be functional before it has to be replaced?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 27, 2019 19:21:40 GMT -8
The most important item outside of gill that is needed is a damn sign informing everybody what is taking place over the next week or so. Absolutely dumb there hasn't been one for seemingly decades. Just curious are the benches going to be made out of wood so they can fall apart like the ones in front of reser? Agreed. A simple coming events marquee would be fitting and in keeping with Gill's history.  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 27, 2019 19:26:19 GMT -8
Just curious of when people think Gill should or will be replaced? I am guessing another 20 to 30 years before it is seriously considered... How long can a building like that be functional before it has to be replaced? I love it. Great venue to watch a basketball game, gymnastics meet or a wrestling match. It was built to last and was pretty forward thinking design for its time with exit ramps from the upper balconies. I don't see anything happening on a new arena until the west side of Reser is dealt with. |
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Post by beavheart on Jun 27, 2019 20:08:59 GMT -8
I like the trees. This is Oregon, is it not? That part of campus is already a concrete jungle. I think a few trees is a good design element, and healthy in general.
There are plenty of landscape trees that don't have roots that heave up through concrete and asphalt, or create a ton of litter.
The trees in the illustration look small, and could be an ornamental Alder, or an Eastern Redbud. The type of landscape trees that stay small, and would never generate the kind of leaf issues you see around campus with the large, native deciduous trees.
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Post by beav74 on Jun 27, 2019 20:16:00 GMT -8
The most important item outside of gill that is needed is a damn sign informing everybody what is taking place over the next week or so. Absolutely dumb there hasn't been one for seemingly decades. Just curious are the benches going to be made out of wood so they can fall apart like the ones in front of reser? Agreed. A simple coming events marquee would be fitting and in keeping with Gill's history. |
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 27, 2019 20:44:52 GMT -8
Not all trees have roots that push up and ruin the concrete. I like the look personally. Gill is a great/loud venue when it is full and has a team that is competitive to watch like wbb. The interior of Gill is being re-done a piece at a time,and I don't see us needing a new/fancy arena for a long time. Kansas and other arenas aren't new,but still attract top recruits just fine.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 27, 2019 21:07:08 GMT -8
Trees only damage concrete, if the concrete is not designed and constructed properly and the trees are watered incorrectly.
You are seriously saying that the eighth-best forestry school in the United States cannot plant the correct kind of trees and water them in a way that does not damage the surrounding concrete?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 27, 2019 21:15:59 GMT -8
Trees only damage concrete, if the concrete is not designed and constructed properly and the trees are watered incorrectly. You are seriously saying that the eighth-best forestry school in the United States cannot plant the correct kind of trees and water them in a way that does not damage the surrounding concrete? Look and see how broken up the concrete is around some of the current trees there. Walk up the sidewalks on 30th Street north of Jefferson. Those huge trees adjacent to Gill should never have been planted there in the first place. Too many leaves, too many falling branches, and they form a conduit for insects into the building. I think the original Gill looks much better than it does now. Removing trees really opened up Weatherford when it was renovated; removing some of the landscaping would definitely upgrade the appearance of the Women's Building and (I think) Gill as well. Other's mileage may vary, of course. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 28, 2019 8:01:59 GMT -8
I like the trees. This is Oregon, is it not? That part of campus is already a concrete jungle. I think a few trees is a good design element, and healthy in general.
There are plenty of landscape trees that don't have roots that heave up through concrete and asphalt, or create a ton of litter.
The trees in the illustration look small, and could be an ornamental Alder, or an Eastern Redbud. The type of landscape trees that stay small, and would never generate the kind of leaf issues you see around campus with the large, native deciduous trees. Save the Trees Couldn't agree more. Having a tree nursery myself, as a general rule of thumb, the canopy of a tree approximates the root structure below grade. There are a number of root barriers that can be installed in tree coffins (affectionate name for some of these concrete lined beds) that restrict roots and guard against concrete heave. In a state that is a pioneer of the nursery industry, if academia and the LA involve local experts, heaving and debris can be minimized. Also, it is often a state/ federal mandate that a certain percentage of the construction cost be allocated for trees/ shrubs/ grass, etc.
Since this is an artists rendering, I find it amusing they illustrate the tree in fall color, with everything else in the picture in spring/ summer color. LOL. Structure of tree, color, etc. looks like a maple cultivar.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 28, 2019 8:09:19 GMT -8
Trees only damage concrete, if the concrete is not designed and constructed properly and the trees are watered incorrectly. You are seriously saying that the eighth-best forestry school in the United States cannot plant the correct kind of trees and water them in a way that does not damage the surrounding concrete? Look and see how broken up the concrete is around some of the current trees there. Walk up the sidewalks on 30th Street north of Jefferson. Those huge trees adjacent to Gill should never have been planted there in the first place. Too many leaves, too many falling branches, and they form a conduit for insects into the building. I think the original Gill looks much better than it does now. Removing trees really opened up Weatherford when it was renovated; removing some of the landscaping would definitely upgrade the appearance of the Women's Building and (I think) Gill as well. Other's mileage may vary, of course. One of the things I have always appreciated about the OSU campus is the variety and size of the specimen trees on campus. Yes, they do create some maintenance issues, but I think it is difficult to put a price tag on the value a mature tree, or group of trees, adds to a space.
Walking down 30th to Reser stadium in the fall is beautiful. One of the things that makes OSU the best college campus in the Pac12/ country is not only the architecture and layout of the campus, but the green spaces and trees as well. If you are from an urban concrete jungle, I think many recruits find all of the trees/ greenery attractive - even if it is on a sub-conscious level.
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Post by beavheart on Jun 28, 2019 8:22:31 GMT -8
Trees only damage concrete, if the concrete is not designed and constructed properly and the trees are watered incorrectly. You are seriously saying that the eighth-best forestry school in the United States cannot plant the correct kind of trees and water them in a way that does not damage the surrounding concrete? Look and see how broken up the concrete is around some of the current trees there. Walk up the sidewalks on 30th Street north of Jefferson. Those huge trees adjacent to Gill should never have been planted there in the first place. Too many leaves, too many falling branches, and they form a conduit for insects into the building. I think the original Gill looks much better than it does now. Removing trees really opened up Weatherford when it was renovated; removing some of the landscaping would definitely upgrade the appearance of the Women's Building and (I think) Gill as well. Other's mileage may vary, of course. Unfortunately, when Gill was built 70 years ago you could count on one hand the variety of landscape trees available to be used. In 1949 nobody would have imagined the multitude of landscape ornamental plants and trees we enjoy today. Landscape Architecture was barely a thing at that time, and even worse, most of the time landscape design was left to whatever builder was putting up a given structure. Builders generally speaking don't care much about landscape design. They would simply use whatever they could easily find which is why you see so many flowering fruit trees (were available because of the many fruit and nut orchards in the state), and native species (which aren't great in an ornamental landscape) in old landscapes. Hence, the campus is full of native species which were readily available at the time. For better or worse. I think you have a good point about the trees on the north side of Gill. I'm not sure what they are off hand, but I think they are either just plain Norway Maples, Big Leaf Maples or Pin Oaks or similar trees. NOT the kind of tree a landscape architect would probably choose to put there today. Maples are notorious for heaving, and those kind of varieties grow way too large for most landscape applications. Today, we have a nearly endless array of cultivars and sub-species of the original species they had to work with back then, and a bunch of plants and trees that simply were not available in 1949. It probably would make sense to raze the landscape on that side of Gill as it has outgrown it's space. Getting that done on a campus full of historic this and that is another matter. They simply need to use the RIGHT trees when they re-landscape the area and everyone will be happy. |
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