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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 28, 2019 18:36:51 GMT -8
Excellence cannot be achieved if one continually accepts the excuses for failure. If 10-8, 18-13 is "failure," I hope that we "fail" even worse next year. Maybe we can "fail" all the way into the Tournament? You seriously believe that the current AD is capable of finding a better answer than Tinkle? Because personally: "Success starts with leadership excellence."--Disney's corporate philosophy. If we fix the problems with the athletic department, including the AD, we can talk about fixing problems with the coaches. Until then, you are talking about treating symptoms rather than the actual cause.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 28, 2019 19:58:11 GMT -8
Excellence cannot be achieved if one continually accepts the excuses for failure. If 10-8, 18-13 is "failure," I hope that we "fail" even worse next year. Maybe we can "fail" all the way into the Tournament? You seriously believe that the current AD is capable of finding a better answer than Tinkle? Because personally: "Success starts with leadership excellence."--Disney's corporate philosophy. If we fix the problems with the athletic department, including the AD, we can talk about fixing problems with the coaches. Until then, you are talking about treating symptoms rather than the actual cause. And Ray leaves after next year. If we get a new President who goes all McVicar on sports you can kiss any kind of success in football or men's basketball goodbye.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 28, 2019 21:49:14 GMT -8
Now I get to play you. They had 18 wins, their record was what it was, you can't cherry pickn anything else is conjecture. Get back to me when the Beavs have a bad season. This year... 2-5 finish, lose in 1st game after a bye in Pac12 tourney. 2016 And... of course still no objective support of his coaching or recruiting. Hmmmmm As far as his coaching goes... Tinkle’s first two seasons he coached his team to play well beyond its talent as far as I’m concerned. Year three was a dumpster fire waiting to happen, especially after Tres was injured. Years 4 and 5, I thought they went about as I expected except about 2-3 wins short each season, however most of the losses we had were closer than I was expecting. It was competitive basketball, more competitive than we’ve seen here at OSU in a long time. He’s either coaching better or recruiting better than we’ve seen at OSU in 30 years. As for recruiting, it hasn’t been horrible, but it hasn’t been fantastic once you get beyond the family members... but he has landed several kids who got 4 stars in one service or another at one point in time. Eubanks and McLaughlin were 4 stars in most services, Hollins, Koné and Wilson had all received 4 star ratings at one point in time or another. OSU historically has not picked up a lot of 4 star talent. I have often questioned his ability to hold on to talent. Not sure if it’s something about him or the coaching staff, if he just completely missed on the recruiting fit, or if it’s a sign of the times with kids leaving if things don’t go their way early these days. Frankly I’m not up on the technical aspects of coaching basketball like you are, but I do remember a lot of the play I’ve seen occur by OSU since the mid-70s. There was a very good stretch in the late 70s til about 1990, but since then not much. I tend to believe you’ve got to walk before you run, and I think Tinkle has the team to that stage after years of crawling and stumbling. With the exception of 2016, I feel I’ve seen overall improvement from this team every year, but it still hasn’t put it all together. My biggest single gripe is they’ve lost their defensive intensity the early Tinkle teams had. I don’t know if it’s due to the staff or the players they have now. On the flip side, the offense, which for three years I felt had little to no structure, is starting to resemble an offense I can understand. It would probably be even more so if we could get rid of the damned 30 second clock. This year’s team was quite competitive, but not strong enough to be dominant. In no way did we have a dominant team this year... but, if it could regain the defensive intensity of the first two Tinkle seasons and continue to improve the offense I feel it could be fairly strong to dominate in this and other leagues. I didn’t get that watching other Beaver teams the last 30 years. I see the team/program as having made a lot of headway the last 5 years. It’s frustrating not getting into post season, but if the team continues to improve as it has it’ll get there soon enough.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 28, 2019 22:14:13 GMT -8
This year... 2-5 finish, lose in 1st game after a bye in Pac12 tourney. 2016 And... of course still no objective support of his coaching or recruiting. Hmmmmm As far as his coaching goes... Tinkle’s first two seasons he coached his team to play well beyond its talent as far as I’m concerned. Year three was a dumpster fire waiting to happen, especially after Tres was injured. Years 4 and 5, I thought they went about as I expected except about 2-3 wins short each season, however most of the losses we had were closer than I was expecting. It was competitive basketball, more competitive than we’ve seen here at OSU in a long time. He’s either coaching better or recruiting better than we’ve seen at OSU in 30 years. As for recruiting, it hasn’t been horrible, but it hasn’t been fantastic once you get beyond the family members... but he has landed several kids who got 4 stars in one service or another at one point in time. Eubanks and McLaughlin were 4 stars in most services, Hollins, Koné and Wilson had all received 4 star ratings at one point in time or another. OSU historically has not picked up a lot of 4 star talent. I have often questioned his ability to hold on to talent. Not sure if it’s something about him or the coaching staff, if he just completely missed on the recruiting fit, or if it’s a sign of the times with kids leaving if things don’t go their way early these days. Frankly I’m not up on the technical aspects of coaching basketball like you are, but I do remember a lot of the play I’ve seen occur by OSU since the mid-70s. There was a very good stretch in the late 70s til about 1990, but since then not much. I tend to believe you’ve got to walk before you run, and I think Tinkle has the team to that stage after years of crawling and stumbling. With the exception of 2016, I feel I’ve seen overall improvement from this team every year, but it still hasn’t put it all together. My biggest single gripe is they’ve lost their defensive intensity the early Tinkle teams had. I don’t know if it’s due to the staff or the players they have now. On the flip side, the offense, which for three years I felt had little to no structure, is starting to resemble an offense I can understand. It would probably be even more so if we could get rid of the damned 30 second clock. This year’s team was quite competitive, but not strong enough to be dominant. In no way did we have a dominant team this year... but, if it could regain the defensive intensity of the first two Tinkle seasons and continue to improve the offense I feel it could be fairly strong to dominate in this and other leagues. I didn’t get that watching other Beaver teams the last 30 years. I see the team/program as having made a lot of headway the last 5 years. It’s frustrating not getting into post season, but if the team continues to improve as it has it’ll get there soon enough. Thank you. Didn't notice one excuse. Opinion, backed by great thoughts. I'm not a fire Tinkle guy mainly because of the financial ramifications. And, I've clearly stated what I see as WT's/staff shortcomings so no need to rehash. I've just grown tired of excuses to accept mediocrity. I heard nothing but crap (and handled it poorly) when I voiced my concerns, inside info, and first hand Wisky fan and employee insights about GAG and his slow destruction of the "family" atmosphere in the football program. It was excuse after excuse with no concrete support based on "coaching" and developing players. Then guess what... player discord, no coaching, old boy network, etc. WT is not GAG. But, some of the traits are very much the same. And, contrary to popular opinion CR didn't leave the program destitute, so the 1st two years were a built upon that and promising. However, there has been no real capitalization of that early success. To me that has been due mainly to... - key recruits leaving - lack of player development The two aren't mutually exclusive and also involves the locker room. So, I'm not wanting the hoops program to do a "GAG" and sink to the pre-CR level.
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 29, 2019 5:37:35 GMT -8
This year... 2-5 finish, lose in 1st game after a bye in Pac12 tourney. 2016 And... of course still no objective support of his coaching or recruiting. Hmmmmm As far as his coaching goes... Tinkle’s first two seasons he coached his team to play well beyond its talent as far as I’m concerned. Year three was a dumpster fire waiting to happen, especially after Tres was injured. Years 4 and 5, I thought they went about as I expected except about 2-3 wins short each season, however most of the losses we had were closer than I was expecting. It was competitive basketball, more competitive than we’ve seen here at OSU in a long time. He’s either coaching better or recruiting better than we’ve seen at OSU in 30 years. As for recruiting, it hasn’t been horrible, but it hasn’t been fantastic once you get beyond the family members... but he has landed several kids who got 4 stars in one service or another at one point in time. Eubanks and McLaughlin were 4 stars in most services, Hollins, Koné and Wilson had all received 4 star ratings at one point in time or another. OSU historically has not picked up a lot of 4 star talent. I have often questioned his ability to hold on to talent. Not sure if it’s something about him or the coaching staff, if he just completely missed on the recruiting fit, or if it’s a sign of the times with kids leaving if things don’t go their way early these days. Frankly I’m not up on the technical aspects of coaching basketball like you are, but I do remember a lot of the play I’ve seen occur by OSU since the mid-70s. There was a very good stretch in the late 70s til about 1990, but since then not much. I tend to believe you’ve got to walk before you run, and I think Tinkle has the team to that stage after years of crawling and stumbling. With the exception of 2016, I feel I’ve seen overall improvement from this team every year, but it still hasn’t put it all together. My biggest single gripe is they’ve lost their defensive intensity the early Tinkle teams had. I don’t know if it’s due to the staff or the players they have now. On the flip side, the offense, which for three years I felt had little to no structure, is starting to resemble an offense I can understand. It would probably be even more so if we could get rid of the damned 30 second clock. This year’s team was quite competitive, but not strong enough to be dominant. In no way did we have a dominant team this year... but, if it could regain the defensive intensity of the first two Tinkle seasons and continue to improve the offense I feel it could be fairly strong to dominate in this and other leagues. I didn’t get that watching other Beaver teams the last 30 years. I see the team/program as having made a lot of headway the last 5 years. It’s frustrating not getting into post season, but if the team continues to improve as it has it’ll get there soon enough. The defensive intensity his teams brought the first two years is what frustrates me most about how we play now. I know he has a d-first coaching philosophy and he got those players to buy in the first two years. He has not been able to get that out of the sons, primarily STJ and TT. I honestly think ET gets it and should emerge as the best all around player of those three. It felt like he was playing in the STJ/TT shadow this year. Back to my point; if you have two guys not playing sound d it kills the defensive intensity of the rest of the team, especially when the two primary culprits are the ones jacking up all the shots. WT had quite the quandary and I don’t think he handled it well (I say bench them until they show they buy into the d. I think he was afraid to do that because what it cost him on offense.) It is easy to see why guys would transfer out of that situation. I am hopeful this was just a “sons” issue and not a “favorites” issue. It will become clearer next year and more so when TT is done. I expect ET’s senior year to be very telling and possibly a very good one if he develops like I think he will and WT can put some more talent around him.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 29, 2019 5:47:54 GMT -8
Interstingly I specifically remember in his press conference upon being hired he said if the players work hard on D they can do what they want on O.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 29, 2019 6:57:43 GMT -8
As far as his coaching goes... Tinkle’s first two seasons he coached his team to play well beyond its talent as far as I’m concerned. Year three was a dumpster fire waiting to happen, especially after Tres was injured. Years 4 and 5, I thought they went about as I expected except about 2-3 wins short each season, however most of the losses we had were closer than I was expecting. It was competitive basketball, more competitive than we’ve seen here at OSU in a long time. He’s either coaching better or recruiting better than we’ve seen at OSU in 30 years. As for recruiting, it hasn’t been horrible, but it hasn’t been fantastic once you get beyond the family members... but he has landed several kids who got 4 stars in one service or another at one point in time. Eubanks and McLaughlin were 4 stars in most services, Hollins, Koné and Wilson had all received 4 star ratings at one point in time or another. OSU historically has not picked up a lot of 4 star talent. I have often questioned his ability to hold on to talent. Not sure if it’s something about him or the coaching staff, if he just completely missed on the recruiting fit, or if it’s a sign of the times with kids leaving if things don’t go their way early these days. Frankly I’m not up on the technical aspects of coaching basketball like you are, but I do remember a lot of the play I’ve seen occur by OSU since the mid-70s. There was a very good stretch in the late 70s til about 1990, but since then not much. I tend to believe you’ve got to walk before you run, and I think Tinkle has the team to that stage after years of crawling and stumbling. With the exception of 2016, I feel I’ve seen overall improvement from this team every year, but it still hasn’t put it all together. My biggest single gripe is they’ve lost their defensive intensity the early Tinkle teams had. I don’t know if it’s due to the staff or the players they have now. On the flip side, the offense, which for three years I felt had little to no structure, is starting to resemble an offense I can understand. It would probably be even more so if we could get rid of the damned 30 second clock. This year’s team was quite competitive, but not strong enough to be dominant. In no way did we have a dominant team this year... but, if it could regain the defensive intensity of the first two Tinkle seasons and continue to improve the offense I feel it could be fairly strong to dominate in this and other leagues. I didn’t get that watching other Beaver teams the last 30 years. I see the team/program as having made a lot of headway the last 5 years. It’s frustrating not getting into post season, but if the team continues to improve as it has it’ll get there soon enough. Thank you. Didn't notice one excuse. Opinion, backed by great thoughts. I'm not a fire Tinkle guy mainly because of the financial ramifications. And, I've clearly stated what I see as WT's/staff shortcomings so no need to rehash. I've just grown tired of excuses to accept mediocrity. I heard nothing but crap (and handled it poorly) when I voiced my concerns, inside info, and first hand Wisky fan and employee insights about GAG and his slow destruction of the "family" atmosphere in the football program. It was excuse after excuse with no concrete support based on "coaching" and developing players. Then guess what... player discord, no coaching, old boy network, etc. WT is not GAG. But, some of the traits are very much the same. And, contrary to popular opinion CR didn't leave the program destitute, so the 1st two years were a built upon that and promising. However, there has been no real capitalization of that early success. To me that has been due mainly to... - key recruits leaving - lack of player development The two aren't mutually exclusive and also involves the locker room. So, I'm not wanting the hoops program to do a "GAG" and sink to the pre-CR level. I’ll still disagree with you until the end of time about what Robinson left Tinkle. 18-20 points a game between 6 guys is not a lot of returning firepower.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 29, 2019 7:21:18 GMT -8
As far as his coaching goes... Tinkle’s first two seasons he coached his team to play well beyond its talent as far as I’m concerned. Year three was a dumpster fire waiting to happen, especially after Tres was injured. Years 4 and 5, I thought they went about as I expected except about 2-3 wins short each season, however most of the losses we had were closer than I was expecting. It was competitive basketball, more competitive than we’ve seen here at OSU in a long time. He’s either coaching better or recruiting better than we’ve seen at OSU in 30 years. As for recruiting, it hasn’t been horrible, but it hasn’t been fantastic once you get beyond the family members... but he has landed several kids who got 4 stars in one service or another at one point in time. Eubanks and McLaughlin were 4 stars in most services, Hollins, Koné and Wilson had all received 4 star ratings at one point in time or another. OSU historically has not picked up a lot of 4 star talent. I have often questioned his ability to hold on to talent. Not sure if it’s something about him or the coaching staff, if he just completely missed on the recruiting fit, or if it’s a sign of the times with kids leaving if things don’t go their way early these days. Frankly I’m not up on the technical aspects of coaching basketball like you are, but I do remember a lot of the play I’ve seen occur by OSU since the mid-70s. There was a very good stretch in the late 70s til about 1990, but since then not much. I tend to believe you’ve got to walk before you run, and I think Tinkle has the team to that stage after years of crawling and stumbling. With the exception of 2016, I feel I’ve seen overall improvement from this team every year, but it still hasn’t put it all together. My biggest single gripe is they’ve lost their defensive intensity the early Tinkle teams had. I don’t know if it’s due to the staff or the players they have now. On the flip side, the offense, which for three years I felt had little to no structure, is starting to resemble an offense I can understand. It would probably be even more so if we could get rid of the damned 30 second clock. This year’s team was quite competitive, but not strong enough to be dominant. In no way did we have a dominant team this year... but, if it could regain the defensive intensity of the first two Tinkle seasons and continue to improve the offense I feel it could be fairly strong to dominate in this and other leagues. I didn’t get that watching other Beaver teams the last 30 years. I see the team/program as having made a lot of headway the last 5 years. It’s frustrating not getting into post season, but if the team continues to improve as it has it’ll get there soon enough. The defensive intensity his teams brought the first two years is what frustrates me most about how we play now. I know he has a d-first coaching philosophy and he got those players to buy in the first two years. He has not been able to get that out of the sons, primarily STJ and TT. I honestly think ET gets it and should emerge as the best all around player of those three. It felt like he was playing in the STJ/TT shadow this year. Back to my point; if you have two guys not playing sound d it kills the defensive intensity of the rest of the team, especially when the two primary culprits are the ones jacking up all the shots. WT had quite the quandary and I don’t think he handled it well (I say bench them until they show they buy into the d. I think he was afraid to do that because what it cost him on offense.) It is easy to see why guys would transfer out of that situation. I am hopeful this was just a “sons” issue and not a “favorites” issue. It will become clearer next year and more so when TT is done. I expect ET’s senior year to be very telling and possibly a very good one if he develops like I think he will and WT can put some more talent around him. I’m still hoping that in the case of Tres, continuous foot and ankle issues have had him a step slow on defense and that he comes back healthy and at full strength. He draws enough charges that I’m pretty sure he maintains good positioning most of the time. Towards the end of the season he got to where he could jump and land again, there was a time he hit the floor every time he used the one foot to push off or land. His legs had to be messed up from the change in movement and he frankly appeared to be draggingly tired at season’s end. I know from experience how one leg or foot injury can affect other parts of your body, but he’s young and should recover. I think over reliance on the 3 coaches kids, both in minutes and schemes, has cost the team some intangible something and maybe a game or two at times. I’d like to see them at 30-32 minutes a game, as opposed to 36, this next season if possible. 5 minutes a game doesn’t sound like much, but those kids take a lot of beating over the course of a season. I think it’s a part of the late season “swoon”. The dux had Pritchard at 35 minutes a game and King right at 30, but beyond that no one was close to 30 a game for the season. I think it kept them fresher and paid off the last ten games. In their case it helps when you have 9-10 four star guys on the roster, but this next Beaver team should be the deepest yet under Tinkle.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 7:21:38 GMT -8
Thank you. Didn't notice one excuse. Opinion, backed by great thoughts. I'm not a fire Tinkle guy mainly because of the financial ramifications. And, I've clearly stated what I see as WT's/staff shortcomings so no need to rehash. I've just grown tired of excuses to accept mediocrity. I heard nothing but crap (and handled it poorly) when I voiced my concerns, inside info, and first hand Wisky fan and employee insights about GAG and his slow destruction of the "family" atmosphere in the football program. It was excuse after excuse with no concrete support based on "coaching" and developing players. Then guess what... player discord, no coaching, old boy network, etc. WT is not GAG. But, some of the traits are very much the same. And, contrary to popular opinion CR didn't leave the program destitute, so the 1st two years were a built upon that and promising. However, there has been no real capitalization of that early success. To me that has been due mainly to... - key recruits leaving - lack of player development The two aren't mutually exclusive and also involves the locker room. So, I'm not wanting the hoops program to do a "GAG" and sink to the pre-CR level. I’ll still disagree with you until the end of time about what Robinson left Tinkle. 18-20 points a game between 6 guys is not a lot of returning firepower. Robinson did not leave scorers, but he did leave some decent athletes that became good defenders. I don't think the current defensive issues are necessarily due to effort, but more due to athleticism. The three sons are all lacking in the quickness department which hampers their defense. I would agree with other posters that Ethan probably has the most upside on the defensive end of the three of them. It will be interesting to see him without Stevie in the lineup.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 29, 2019 7:45:09 GMT -8
I’ll still disagree with you until the end of time about what Robinson left Tinkle. 18-20 points a game between 6 guys is not a lot of returning firepower. Robinson did not leave scorers, but he did leave some decent athletes that became good defenders. I don't think the current defensive issues are necessarily due to effort, but more due to athleticism. The three sons are all lacking in the quickness department which hampers their defense. I would agree with other posters that Ethan probably has the most upside on the defensive end of the three of them. It will be interesting to see him without Stevie in the lineup. I don’t want to pinpoint Stevie as the “problem” with our defense but you’re right about the athleticism and quickness thing. I think if you don’t have those you need to be great on positioning. I think Stevie has quick hands and those got him a good number of steals, but I’m thinking he was out of position on occasion. Tres has either had or been coming off broken foot problems or playing with a bad ankle the entire time he’s been here. I’m hoping with a couple weeks rest and and entire off season to recover, those will be behind them. I think he positions himself well but his first step has been hampered much of the time he’s been here. Hopefully he’ll come back with healthy legs and a quarter step quicker. He’ll probably never be all league defensively but I think he potentially is better than given credit for. Ethan could be one of our best all-round players in a long time. Along with some of the other newer players we have and are getting I hope the athleticism and quickness issues you pointed out will be less of an issue going forward.
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Post by billsaab on Mar 29, 2019 8:13:26 GMT -8
Couple things. I would like to see growth in all the players that remain. I hope the Coaches Son's don't get favored status. I wonder how Tinkle would have done early without GP 2. In a Nutshell I would give Him 2 Years to get to Tourney. If He can't well? How good do we want to be? What is admins view of success? To me this was not a success. Staying home is never success. We have a low bar here period. My hope is a record similar to Altman's. We don't have to cheat to achieve that.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 29, 2019 11:15:34 GMT -8
Robinson did not leave scorers, but he did leave some decent athletes that became good defenders. I don't think the current defensive issues are necessarily due to effort, but more due to athleticism. The three sons are all lacking in the quickness department which hampers their defense. I would agree with other posters that Ethan probably has the most upside on the defensive end of the three of them. It will be interesting to see him without Stevie in the lineup. I don’t want to pinpoint Stevie as the “problem” with our defense but you’re right about the athleticism and quickness thing. I think if you don’t have those you need to be great on positioning. I think Stevie has quick hands and those got him a good number of steals, but I’m thinking he was out of position on occasion. Tres has either had or been coming off broken foot problems or playing with a bad ankle the entire time he’s been here. I’m hoping with a couple weeks rest and and entire off season to recover, those will be behind them. I think he positions himself well but his first step has been hampered much of the time he’s been here. Hopefully he’ll come back with healthy legs and a quarter step quicker. He’ll probably never be all league defensively but I think he potentially is better than given credit for. Ethan could be one of our best all-round players in a long time. Along with some of the other newer players we have and are getting I hope the athleticism and quickness issues you pointed out will be less of an issue going forward. Looking at the season stats, of players that played at least 100 minutes, the players with the best +/- per 100 possessions were: 1. Kelley +23.3 2. Tres +14.9 3. Rakocevic +12.6 4. Ethan +7.5 5. Stevie +2.7 6. Washington +2.0 7. Vernon +1.6 8. Reichle -12.5 9. Hollins -16.0 Fewest points allowed per 100 possessions: 1. Kelley 98.4 2. Tres 100.9 3. Hollins 105.7 4. Stevie 105.8 5. Ethan 106.2 6. Washington 107.5 7. Rakocevic 107.9 8. Reichle 108.0 9. Vernon 110.3 Defensively, by metrics, Vernon was the biggest defensive liability. Reichle was second. The defense shined when Kelley played. It was a big mess, when he left the floor.
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Post by seastape on Mar 29, 2019 11:19:10 GMT -8
Couple things. I would like to see growth in all the players that remain. I hope the Coaches Son's don't get favored status. I wonder how Tinkle would have done early without GP 2. In a Nutshell I would give Him 2 Years to get to Tourney. If He can't well? How good do we want to be? What is admins view of success? To me this was not a success. Staying home is never success. We have a low bar here period. My hope is a record similar to Altman's. We don't have to cheat to achieve that. Getting to Altman's record would be phenomenal. The guy is the epitome of, "it's not how you start, it's how you finish." In nine years at hole, Altman has:
Regular season:
1. won the Pac outright once and tied for first once. 2. tied for 2nd three times and tied for third once. 3. finished tied for fourth once, tied for sixth once, and tied for 7th once (his worst season, which was his first).
Post-season:
4. made the post-season every year. 5. never lost a first round game. 6. CBI: won the championship in his first year. 7. NIT: one second round and one quarterfinal appearance. 8. NCAA: 2 rounds of 32, 2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8 and 1 Final 4.
OSU fans would be doing back flips with that kind of record. OSU fans would be doing back flips with half of that record. Hell, even a third of that kind of a record at this point is only a fantasy for OSU fans.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 29, 2019 11:59:08 GMT -8
I don’t want to pinpoint Stevie as the “problem” with our defense but you’re right about the athleticism and quickness thing. I think if you don’t have those you need to be great on positioning. I think Stevie has quick hands and those got him a good number of steals, but I’m thinking he was out of position on occasion. Tres has either had or been coming off broken foot problems or playing with a bad ankle the entire time he’s been here. I’m hoping with a couple weeks rest and and entire off season to recover, those will be behind them. I think he positions himself well but his first step has been hampered much of the time he’s been here. Hopefully he’ll come back with healthy legs and a quarter step quicker. He’ll probably never be all league defensively but I think he potentially is better than given credit for. Ethan could be one of our best all-round players in a long time. Along with some of the other newer players we have and are getting I hope the athleticism and quickness issues you pointed out will be less of an issue going forward. Looking at the season stats, of players that played at least 100 minutes, the players with the best +/- per 100 possessions were: 1. Kelley +23.3 2. Tres +14.9 3. Rakocevic +12.6 4. Ethan +7.5 5. Stevie +2.7 6. Washington +2.0 7. Vernon +1.6 8. Reichle -12.5 9. Hollins -16.0 Fewest points allowed per 100 possessions: 1. Kelley 98.4 2. Tres 100.9 3. Hollins 105.7 4. Stevie 105.8 5. Ethan 106.2 6. Washington 107.5 7. Rakocevic 107.9 8. Reichle 108.0 9. Vernon 110.3 Defensively, by metrics, Vernon was the biggest defensive liability. Reichle was second. The defense shined when Kelley played. It was a big mess, when he left the floor. The Vernon stats surprise me. Seems WT always brought him in when some intensity on D was needed or some sort of spark was necessary. It worked a lot of the time I thought too and I liked the make up of the 5 on the floor when he was in the game. Maybe the stats look that way because he's typically brought in when the opposition was rolling, maybe just his height disadvantage hindered his ability to play lockdown D, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Reichle and Hollins' numbers don't surprise me at all. The 3 position was a HUGE weakness for us this year and not one I saw coming at the beginning of the season. I had expectations for Hollins of 8-10 ppg and a good jump forward from encouraging performances last year. He still played good D most of the time (see @wsu) and is one of our more athletic guys but fixing up that 3 spot next season will be vital to their success IMO.
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 29, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -8
Excellence cannot be achieved if one continually accepts the excuses for failure. You seriously believe that the current AD is capable of finding a better answer than Tinkle? If we fix the problems with the athletic department, including the AD, we can talk about fixing problems with the coaches. Until then, you are talking about treating symptoms rather than the actual cause. It's obvious in the subtleties in your answer that you get there are bigger picture problems that our fellow fans either don't comprehend or are too busy or too beat down to do anything about. What we do get is glitzy strategic plans and vague promises scattered among the outright lies.
OSU is not too poor to compete, the community is not a liability, neither is the lack of an airport with regularly scheduled passenger service. The truth is that we have more money to spend than schools with more competitive men's basketball and football programs, yet we spend less on football than anybody in the Power 5 and we're near the bottom in men's basketball spending. This means we have less to spend on coaching talent than our competitors in these sports. Our debt service and total debt is lower than most of our Pac-12 competitors. But we spend 50% of our budget, not on sports, but on administration while our Pac-12 competitors spend 37% on administrative costs. We also spend less on the non-revenue sports than our competitors.
I'm tired of the excuses - this is our athletic program and we need to demand more. This program does not belong to the president, the AD, or even the student-athletes. These all come and go but the fans are the constant. The AD is invested in the excuses, and has to be pleased that the defenders of the status quo work tirelessly on their behalf - all while collecting the 2nd highest salary in the conference, the defenders get nothing.
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