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Post by newduke2 on Mar 26, 2019 9:43:04 GMT -8
Some occasional disrespect being tossed Oregon State's way on other forums concerning its 2 tournament victories. For example, as I wrote on The Boneyard, "Rather than a team that was "pretty fortunate (to win)" one game while "nearly managing to lose" the other (as per Orangutan), what I saw instead was a gritty, hard nosed team that gut out a pair of hard fought victories over two very good 28-4 conference champions."
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Post by 411500 on Mar 26, 2019 10:06:00 GMT -8
willtalk's comments seem sensible and thoughtful - at least to me....He sees things thru a coaches lens, and that is a good thing on a board that focuses quite a bit on individual players and their individual skills...
One thing I keep reminding myself is how hard it is to detect how tough the Beavs' defence is - - in general....
Shifting gears: Is it just me, or when watching UCLA, Oregon and South Carolina play in this tournament do you find yourself asking: "How did we ever beat those teams?" They LOOK so much more athletic than the Beavs...That's just part of the great adventure following Scott's teams. GO BEAVS !!
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Post by dK on Mar 26, 2019 11:12:39 GMT -8
I'm surprised that neither BSU of Gonzaga employed the hack-a-shaq technique. Jo was 2-10 on free throws for the weekend. They really couldn't. 1 - She wasn't really in when they were trailing. 2 - They had too many players in foul trouble to give away fouls. Speaking of fouls, late in the game, all five GU players on the floor had 4 before one of the sisters fouled out.
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Post by lefty on Mar 26, 2019 11:19:21 GMT -8
The more Maddie plays the better off we are. Too bad she's not 6'8"! Not necessarily! It is blanket statement like this that I feel compelled to respond to. It depends upon the match ups and the game situation. Gonzaga was a really good match up for Maddie and she played really well in this game. While I defended Scott not playing Maddie more in the previous games, it was obvious to me early on that Maddie was a better choice and Scott should have played Maddie even more in this particular game for a variety or reasons. Lets look at those reasons. To begin with the Zags either did not have a player to attack and take advantage of her lack of height, so she was not a defensive liability. The team needed scoring from somewhere and Maddie was hitting her short jumpers in the key and the Zags had no one to stop her. The guards also were able to get her the ball in the paint via bounce passes which is something the can not do with Jo because when she gets the ball low they tie her up quickly. They also constantly were putting a body on her, bringing in double teams which clogged up the painta and eliminated drives by the rest of the team. This team has a hard time getting the ball to Jo high. It is usually just off her finger tips. With her you need to get it just a bit lower because she doesn't jump. They need to get more arch on their inlet passes so they do not have to throw the ball so high. The Zags would also get below Jo's center of gravity in this game and push her off balance. You saw the effects of that in that Jo hit the floor or be seen stumbling. In contrast, with Maddie she prefers and actually does better getting the ball low via bounce passes. When she is on and facing the right match up it is far easier to get the ball to Maddie in her spot. Maddie has shown that against the right match ups she is very effective. The thing is that often that is not known till the game is being played. Who is more effective is all about match ups and trade offs. Match ups are sometimes obvious but with trade offs it often depends on game situations. Even if Maddie or any other player was a defensive liability it still would not automatically mean they should not be on the court. What they supply on offense might be more important to the team in that game than the defensive trade off. In the past I have seen Scott keep a player on the court even though they contributed 0 points, because their defense was important in that game. I have also seen him do the reverse by pulling a scoring player who became a defensive liability. Scott will always value defense over offense, but that also depends if the team needs scoring or defense is of greater value in a game. Greaves, on the other hand values offense even above greater defense. My responses in respect to who or who should not be playing has as much to do with the game situations as it does the players themselves. It also depends on how well the individual players are playing at any given point in time and how that translates into the teams needs during any game. Players are not machines and they have good and bad days. They also have medium games somewhere in between their best and worst showings. While not perfect , Scott does as well as any coach i have ever seen in utilizing his roster and making in game adjustments.
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Post by lefty on Mar 26, 2019 11:31:25 GMT -8
You make a lot of thoughtful points which I concur with except there is one factor that I will try to make in a less negative and invasive manner as possible. The only advantage being 6'8" for some is intimidation. When 6 foot players out rebound you and shoot over as if you were not even there.... Sorry
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 26, 2019 11:35:46 GMT -8
They really couldn't. 1 - She wasn't really in when they were trailing. 2 - They had too many players in foul trouble to give away fouls. Speaking of fouls, late in the game, all five GU players on the floor had 4 before one of the sisters fouled out. I don't get the difference from some of these post and some I made that were deleted by the board police... Never have I disparaged a player for lack of talent or a sometimes mistake, no matter who it is. I have voiced my opinion when I thought something was so obvious that it should not be happening. Sorry if I offended anyone in the process.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2019 11:41:18 GMT -8
You make a lot of thoughtful points which I concur with except there is one factor that I will try to make in a less negative and invasive manner as possible. The only advantage being 6'8" for some is intimidation. When 6 foot players out rebound you and shoot over as if you were not even there.... Sorry It depends on how quick the 6’8” player is. Quickness is what holds Jo back. That being said, Maddie could be a very dominant player if she had the same quickness, but 2-3 more inches in height. Maddie and Mik both play taller than their actual height.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 26, 2019 13:38:35 GMT -8
Speaking of fouls, late in the game, all five GU players on the floor had 4 before one of the sisters fouled out. I don't get the difference from some of these post and some I made that were deleted by the board police... Never have I disparaged a player for lack of talent or a sometimes mistake, no matter who it is. I have voiced my opinion when I thought something was so obvious that it should not be happening. Sorry if I offended anyone in the process. The "board police?" Not much gets deleted at Benny's House. Moved to another, more appropriate thread or board, more likely. Unless one of the mods is doing more deleting than I'm aware.
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Post by Benevolent Dictator on Mar 26, 2019 13:55:41 GMT -8
Speaking of fouls, late in the game, all five GU players on the floor had 4 before one of the sisters fouled out. I don't get the difference from some of these post and some I made that were deleted by the board police... Never have I disparaged a player for lack of talent or a sometimes mistake, no matter who it is. I have voiced my opinion when I thought something was so obvious that it should not be happening. Sorry if I offended anyone in the process. In fact, greshambeaver has never had a post deleted by the "board police." Attachments:
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2019 15:22:51 GMT -8
You make a lot of thoughtful points which I concur with except there is one factor that I will try to make in a less negative and invasive manner as possible. The only advantage being 6'8" for some is intimidation. When 6 foot players out rebound you and shoot over as if you were not even there.... Sorry There were numerous times last night when Jo's inside presence absolutely prevented the twins from getting easy shots from inside the paint. They would try to post up, then pivot and kick it back out because they had no shot. GU was not shooting over her. GU also did not have 6-foot inside players; the twins are a long 6-3 and Rice is 6-1 and can really jump. Jo had six boards in 20 minutes. Rice had three in 19; Wirth #3 had seven in 29 minutes; Wirth No. 4 had five in 25 minutes. Jo more than held her own inside. The player who got toasted was Aleah, when she had three fouls and had to guard #30, a strong, physical guard. She scored on 3 or 4 straight possessions in one span.
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