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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 25, 2019 21:16:29 GMT -8
Our girls played their hearts out every second of this game. They certainly were not out played by any means. They dove for every lose ball and dug in on the 50-50 ones. What happened in the fourth quarter was set up in the previous three.
Interesting how the coaching staff wins a close game and yet they were out coached. Been hearing that a lot this season. Personally I'll put my trust in their ability to develop amazing young women who can also play basketball. Given what they are working with this year I think they did great.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2019 21:23:14 GMT -8
sheesh...Gonzaga looked good. If their 2 players that were hurt in the WCC conference game played? We might be home crying in our beer lattes The Ocho announcers added nothing to the game. No insight, no comment on tactics, no pointing out positioning or the way a play developed. Just....McPivec (!) going strong to the hoop. She so so strong. Did you know she does javelin? Bring back Jon warren! We may indeed have lost with them full strengthy, but they way they stepped up, maybe not. If you look at their shot chart compared to the previous night, it's pretty remarkable: www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=401124215www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=401124136The Little Rock game looks more typical in general, and more typical for them. Tonight it was a really impressive job of them exploiting repeatedly the middle of the court on the collapsed interior and OSU's commitment to defending the 3. A different lineup might actually have had a more difficult time repeating that (and instead tried to force what they more commonly do). They took a ton of shots just just outside the range of JG - and these weren't running floaters, they were often in rhythm and squared up. I felt like we got out played/coached for 3 quarters again tonight. They shot 46% against UALR, with 21 points from 3. Tonight they shot 42%, with only 9 points from 3, all on uncontested shots in the final 30 seconds when we were more concerned with not fouling and letting them take the shot. We took #24, who had 15 or 18 points on Saturday, completely out of the game. So they shot a lower percentage, and were less efficient, with four fewer, more productive 3-pointers. I'd say we defended them pretty well.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 25, 2019 21:32:09 GMT -8
"I felt like we got out played/coached for 3 quarters again tonight." I'm curious, to what to you attribute our winning over and over then? Our incompetent players and coaches are just really lucky?
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 25, 2019 21:40:28 GMT -8
They're a real nice team, and, I think, very well coached. They also average about 6,000 a game at home, so they're used to playing in front of big crowds. With the major downturn in the Washington program, they're the pre-eminent program in the state of Washington. If they could get 1 or 2 of the big time in state players who have been going out of state (like Pivec and Corosdale), they could start to make deep runs in the tournament regularly - like their men's team.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2019 23:01:11 GMT -8
They're a real nice team, and, I think, very well coached. They also average about 6,000 a game at home, so they're used to playing in front of big crowds. With the major downturn in the Washington program, they're the pre-eminent program in the state of Washington. If they could get 1 or 2 of the big time in state players who have been going out of state (like Pivec and Corosdale), they could start to make deep runs in the tournament regularly - like their men's team. Gonzaga's women's team has really benefited from the success of their men's team. It's become a go-to place for both sexes. Tremendous community support, great facilities, a real basketball culture with students that support both teams. And, except for BYU on the women's side, a pretty weak league now that Santa Clara has fallen off the end of the earth. Hearing BYU might be headed back to the MWC. Football is getting tired of crappy bowl games, scheduling difficulties being an independent, plummeting attendance, crappy bowl tie-in, and not being able to compete for championships.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 25, 2019 23:12:14 GMT -8
"I felt like we got out played/coached for 3 quarters again tonight." I'm curious, to what to you attribute our winning over and over then? Our incompetent players and coaches are just really lucky? Probably not the best choice of wordking, but here's what I mean: They got a lot more uncontested shots than we did throughout the game. They took what our defense gave them, and executed it well, while we continue to try and force what we wanted to do (go inside, get to the basket, and shoot 3s). This resulted in us having way more turnovers, and also were often chasing on the scoreboard. However, by 4th quarter, our superior athletes were able to still imposes their will on getting to the rim or dump to our bigs (or get fouled), while the statistics eventually caught up with their mid-range game and they couldn't keep up. So better to say, opponents strategy was working better than ours until crunch time, where Rueck's game plan finally paid it's dividends. However, the approach still only squeaked out wins vs. two programs we were supposed to beat. I preferred the approach Rueck used for a stretch where we went to quick ball movement and forced their defensive aggression into reactive mode (a stretch where we outscored them and they picked up a bunch of fouls). I don't know why Rueck went away from that, but I assume it due to a change in the Zags defensive approach. Regardless, you can win with players not executing well and the other team having a better game plan - if you can physically overwhelm them. I do think that given the talent differential, Gonzaga got more out of their approach than we did. However, I also think SR played it safe with a game plan that he believed could get it done, even if not optimally (i.e. higher risk/reward approaches) - and that's exactly what happened.
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Post by lotrader on Mar 26, 2019 5:41:36 GMT -8
How about that Maddie Washington? ❤️ ❤️ She worked so hard. Didn’t take a play off and competed for every single rebound. Her turnaround fadeaway is really sweet, and she had a nice drive to the hoop too. I was so pleased that Rueck gave Maddie more minutes tonight. Outside of the usual studs on our team, MW was the difference tonight. She played physical, and, hustled like Pivec tonight. She also was a 5th offensive option tonight, moved well without the ball, giving our penetrating guards/forwards a target underneath the hoop. She is also very enthusiastic and plays with BIG emotion. MW was the difference in this game tonight. GO BEAVS!
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 26, 2019 7:01:15 GMT -8
Our girls played their hearts out every second of this game. They certainly were not out played by any means. They dove for every lose ball and dug in on the 50-50 ones. What happened in the fourth quarter was set up in the previous three. Interesting how the coaching staff wins a close game and yet they were out coached. Been hearing that a lot this season. Personally I'll put my trust in their ability to develop amazing young women who can also play basketball. Given what they are working with this year I think they did great. Just loved the way the players not only dove for the ball, but (several times) in the blink of an eye found a teammate to pass it to, thereby avoiding the Possession Arrow coming into play. Great heads up stuff. They all played with grit. Taya has now played every second of 2 straight games (45 minutes + 40 minutes).
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 26, 2019 7:14:06 GMT -8
I love Maddie's emotion on the floor. I love Andrea's emotion on the bench too. Toward the end of the game, we had just hit a big shot and Andrea stands up and gets the crowd involved and makes sure they get loud.
As Kelsey Plum referred to, part of Rueck's defensive plan is making the midrange game the other team's first option. Gonzaga did a very nice job of knocking down the midrange shot that we were forcing them into. Teams love to put Jo's defensive assignment into the pick n roll. You either pull her away from the bucket or you get a fairly open midrange jumper, and Rueck will live with the midrange jumper. When we have a player like Kennedy or Taylor out there that can move quite well, we will be able to defend it much better. I was pleased with how we defended the 3pt-line (until the end when it was out of reach for the most part). We did much better than against Boise State.
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Post by lefty on Mar 26, 2019 7:22:56 GMT -8
The more Maddie plays the better off we are. Too bad she's not 6'8"!
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 26, 2019 7:36:42 GMT -8
I can't fault our defensive plan. The Zags took a lot of 30% shots and made them at a 45% clip. That's good on the Zag players, not bad on our coaches.
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Post by jefframp on Mar 26, 2019 8:38:08 GMT -8
I'm surprised that neither BSU of Gonzaga employed the hack-a-shaq technique. Jo was 2-10 on free throws for the weekend.
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 26, 2019 9:04:38 GMT -8
I'm surprised that neither BSU of Gonzaga employed the hack-a-shaq technique. Jo was 2-10 on free throws for the weekend. They really couldn't. 1 - She wasn't really in when they were trailing. 2 - They had too many players in foul trouble to give away fouls.
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Post by 411500 on Mar 26, 2019 9:10:56 GMT -8
beaver fever - - thanks for posting post-game info.....I appreciate your efforts in bringing this to us.....
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Post by willtalk on Mar 26, 2019 9:13:27 GMT -8
The more Maddie plays the better off we are. Too bad she's not 6'8"! Not necessarily! It is blanket statement like this that I feel compelled to respond to. It depends upon the match ups and the game situation. Gonzaga was a really good match up for Maddie and she played really well in this game. While I defended Scott not playing Maddie more in the previous games, it was obvious to me early on that Maddie was a better choice and Scott should have played Maddie even more in this particular game for a variety or reasons. Lets look at those reasons. To begin with the Zags either did not have a player to attack and take advantage of her lack of height, so she was not a defensive liability. The team needed scoring from somewhere and Maddie was hitting her short jumpers in the key and the Zags had no one to stop her. The guards also were able to get her the ball in the paint via bounce passes which is something the can not do with Jo because when she gets the ball low they tie her up quickly. They also constantly were putting a body on her, bringing in double teams which clogged up the painta and eliminated drives by the rest of the team. This team has a hard time getting the ball to Jo high. It is usually just off her finger tips. With her you need to get it just a bit lower because she doesn't jump. They need to get more arch on their inlet passes so they do not have to throw the ball so high. The Zags would also get below Jo's center of gravity in this game and push her off balance. You saw the effects of that in that Jo hit the floor or be seen stumbling. In contrast, with Maddie she prefers and actually does better getting the ball low via bounce passes. When she is on and facing the right match up it is far easier to get the ball to Maddie in her spot. Maddie has shown that against the right match ups she is very effective. The thing is that often that is not known till the game is being played. Who is more effective is all about match ups and trade offs. Match ups are sometimes obvious but with trade offs it often depends on game situations. Even if Maddie or any other player was a defensive liability it still would not automatically mean they should not be on the court. What they supply on offense might be more important to the team in that game than the defensive trade off. In the past I have seen Scott keep a player on the court even though they contributed 0 points, because their defense was important in that game. I have also seen him do the reverse by pulling a scoring player who became a defensive liability. Scott will always value defense over offense, but that also depends if the team needs scoring or defense is of greater value in a game. Greaves, on the other hand values offense even above greater defense. My responses in respect to who or who should not be playing has as much to do with the game situations as it does the players themselves. It also depends on how well the individual players are playing at any given point in time and how that translates into the teams needs during any game. Players are not machines and they have good and bad days. They also have medium games somewhere in between their best and worst showings. While not perfect , Scott does as well as any coach i have ever seen in utilizing his roster and making in game adjustments.
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