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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 22:22:31 GMT -8
hey... what about the color of a UW player's skin in comparison to a nuclear disaster What about it? After the win, during a decent hoops discussion that included talk of commentators discussing UW player... "Melgoza hitting the 1000 point mark? Enough!" Followed by... "She looks like she attended Chernobyl High School, or George Hamilton Poly. Her skin has an orange glow about it."
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 27, 2019 22:41:37 GMT -8
Uhhh baseball, womens basketball and several football recruits would like to tell you how off that statement is. Overall players follow coaches. How'd Miller ever get Gary Payton to sucky Corvallis. Or was GP a scrub.I'll never understand the loser woe is us mentality some fans have. Just top answer that question: Payton was headed to play at St John's back when it was a toss-up between the ACC and the Big East as to which was the best basketball conference in the land. At the 11th hour, Lou Carnesecca, in what he called one of the biggest mistakes of his career, pulled the scholarship offer to Payton and Payton came to OSU. If Carnesecca had kept the schollie open, Payton would have been just another guy we didn't quite get... And if Payton had ended up at St. Johns, Miller most likely goes out with a whimper, as there wasn't a lot of talent otherwise on his teams by then. Whimper here being fighting to make the NIT. Recruiting makes or breaks coaches all the time. Heck, if Cameron Oliver had stayed an OSU commit during the WT transition and WT also landed Chris Boucher, the 2016 team would have been very arguably the most talented defensive roster in the country and made a serious tournament run. Imagine WT makes an elite 8 run (or better) that year - we'd have wanted him given a 10 year extension at that point -- all from the outcome of one kid staying with his decision, and another makes a different decision.
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Post by seastape on Jan 28, 2019 1:06:14 GMT -8
Just top answer that question: Payton was headed to play at St John's back when it was a toss-up between the ACC and the Big East as to which was the best basketball conference in the land. At the 11th hour, Lou Carnesecca, in what he called one of the biggest mistakes of his career, pulled the scholarship offer to Payton and Payton came to OSU. If Carnesecca had kept the schollie open, Payton would have been just another guy we didn't quite get... And if Payton had ended up at St. Johns, Miller most likely goes out with a whimper, as there wasn't a lot of talent otherwise on his teams by then. Whimper here being fighting to make the NIT. Recruiting makes or breaks coaches all the time. Heck, if Cameron Oliver had stayed an OSU commit during the WT transition and WT also landed Chris Boucher, the 2016 team would have been very arguably the most talented defensive roster in the country and made a serious tournament run. Imagine WT makes an elite 8 run (or better) that year - we'd have wanted him given a 10 year extension at that point -- all from the outcome of one kid staying with his decision, and another makes a different decision. Agreed. There was a real dearth of big during Payton's years (with the exception of Ortiz Payton's first year). I seem to recall that by the time Payton was a junior/senior, a fair number of people in the college basketball world referred to OSU as "Four guys and Gary Payton." Miller never got past the first round (NCAA) even with Payton. Without him? Woulda been great to have at least Oliver in '16.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 28, 2019 6:00:18 GMT -8
After the win, during a decent hoops discussion that included talk of commentators discussing UW player... "Melgoza hitting the 1000 point mark? Enough!" Followed by... "She looks like she attended Chernobyl High School, or George Hamilton Poly. Her skin has an orange glow about it." And? Oompa Loompas around the world were deeply offended.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 28, 2019 7:52:07 GMT -8
I'm not unhappy with WT's tenure at OSU, but then again I'm not particularly happy either. I think the team has under performed with the talent he's brought in. Some of this was a bad break (Tres' injury and possibly Kone's injury that he never really recovered from) and the transfers have hurt with depth and roster balance. Yes, you can blame WT for the transfers, but for the most part that is just now a part of the college basketball landscape now. Look at last year and this year's transfers. Kone was basically a shell of his former self and as far as I can tell isn't playing anywhere. Xavier Smith was a walk-on who left presumably for a scholarship. Kendall Manual, who I think was the one that hurt the most and would love to have him on the team, left for Montana hoping to be a starter. Wilson was recruited over and decided to leave (happens all the time) and the other guy (can't remember his name) left for family issues to be closer to home. Yes, all these happened under WT's watch but the Manual one is the only one I'd "blame" WT for but he wanted chance to start and that wasn't happening at OSU with the big 3. Regardless of all that IMO the team has under performed for the most part under WT. That said he has had them competitive for the most part and seems like a good guy.
So what to do? I think he will be here next year and I think he deserves that chance. After that is when it gets sticky. He's signed through 2021-22, but do you want him coaching that year as a potential lame duck? But do you want to extend him again to avoid that? So I think next year is make or break for him. He'll be without Stevie and potentially without Tres. If they back slide then they should probably let him go with one year left. I don't agree that we can't find a good coach to replace WT. It might not be the best job in college basketball or even the Pacific Northwest, but it is a Pac 12 job and qualified candidates will be interested. One nice thing about the Hopkins hire at Washington is that hopefully people will realize a new coach does not have to have northwest or west coast ties. He needs to be a good recruiter and a good coach period. If he is those things he'll be able to develop the relationships out West he needs to recruit and he'll also be able to draw upon his other relationships in other parts of the country. As far as coaches in the West, certainly Tommy Lloyd at Gonzaga would be worth pursuing but not really clear if he wants to leave Gonzaga or if he'd be interested in the Beavs job. As far as head coaches in western part of country, there are two that are somewhat interesting. I know little about these guys, just going off of their success. Jeff Linder at Northern Colorado looks interesting, though the way Tad Boyle has been doing at Colorado he might end up there. Team was 10-21 year before he was brought in. They went 11-18 his first year and then 26-12 (5th in conference) last year and won the CBI tournament. This year they are 14-7, but first in the conference with an 8-2 record. Another interesting guy is Craig Smith at Utah St. This is his first year there after coaching at South Dakota, and he has the team at 15-5 after finishing .500 the year before his arrival.
I'm not advocating for any of those guys, but I do think there will be quality candidates should OSU decide to make a change at some point. But I'm hoping the Beavs finish strong this year, have a great year next year, and keep on building under WT.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 28, 2019 9:31:26 GMT -8
And if Payton had ended up at St. Johns, Miller most likely goes out with a whimper, as there wasn't a lot of talent otherwise on his teams by then. Whimper here being fighting to make the NIT. Recruiting makes or breaks coaches all the time. Heck, if Cameron Oliver had stayed an OSU commit during the WT transition and WT also landed Chris Boucher, the 2016 team would have been very arguably the most talented defensive roster in the country and made a serious tournament run. Imagine WT makes an elite 8 run (or better) that year - we'd have wanted him given a 10 year extension at that point -- all from the outcome of one kid staying with his decision, and another makes a different decision. Agreed. There was a real dearth of big during Payton's years (with the exception of Ortiz Payton's first year). I seem to recall that by the time Payton was a junior/senior, a fair number of people in the college basketball world referred to OSU as "Four guys and Gary Payton." Miller never got past the first round (NCAA) even with Payton. Without him? Woulda been great to have at least Oliver in '16. Not true! The 1982 team made it to the Elite Eight before getting thumped by Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. The tournament was a field of 48 then, and after getting a first round bye as the #2 seed, beat both #7 Pepperdine and #3 Idaho before losing to the Hoyas.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 28, 2019 9:46:23 GMT -8
Agreed. There was a real dearth of big during Payton's years (with the exception of Ortiz Payton's first year). I seem to recall that by the time Payton was a junior/senior, a fair number of people in the college basketball world referred to OSU as "Four guys and Gary Payton." Miller never got past the first round (NCAA) even with Payton. Without him? Woulda been great to have at least Oliver in '16. Not true! The 1982 team made it to the Elite Eight before getting thumped by Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. The tournament was a field of 48 then, and after getting a first round bye as the #2 seed, beat both #7 Pepperdine and #3 Idaho before losing to the Hoyas. Not according to the NCAA. That NCAA appearance was vacated along with 1980 & 1981. See, according to the NCAA, we never lost to Kansas St. Feel better?
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Post by seastape on Jan 28, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -8
Agreed. There was a real dearth of big during Payton's years (with the exception of Ortiz Payton's first year). I seem to recall that by the time Payton was a junior/senior, a fair number of people in the college basketball world referred to OSU as "Four guys and Gary Payton." Miller never got past the first round (NCAA) even with Payton. Without him? Woulda been great to have at least Oliver in '16. Not true! The 1982 team made it to the Elite Eight before getting thumped by Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. The tournament was a field of 48 then, and after getting a first round bye as the #2 seed, beat both #7 Pepperdine and #3 Idaho before losing to the Hoyas. You are correct, but I meant the team with Payton on it. I failed to properly articulate my thought.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 28, 2019 13:12:42 GMT -8
Not true! The 1982 team made it to the Elite Eight before getting thumped by Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. The tournament was a field of 48 then, and after getting a first round bye as the #2 seed, beat both #7 Pepperdine and #3 Idaho before losing to the Hoyas. Not according to the NCAA. That NCAA appearance was vacated along with 1980 & 1981. See, according to the NCAA, we never lost to Kansas St. Feel better? Not really. I haven't been able to vacate the image of Rolando Blackman heading to the corner.
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