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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 25, 2019 19:40:02 GMT -8
Tinkpe might not be the best coach, but he is the best coach we have had since Ralph Miller. He is also a great guy and fits the community. Sure we can fire him and go back to having winless seasons, but I'm happy with being competitive and occasionally making the big dance. I would give him at least 2-3 more years to see if he can continue to improve the program before considering moving on. Besides the one awful year, he has been improving the program and bringing it back from nothing. From 1990 until 2014. 24 years. Oregon state had 5 seasons at .500 or better overall basketball. 3 of those years were EXACTLY .500 ball. Since 1990 we have had TWO seasons with a .500 record in conference play. WT has one of those years. Even Craig Robinson's 21 win year featured a 7-11 conference record. Wayne Tinkle has 3 years out of 4 full years at .500 or better ball. Not to count chickens before they are hatched, but at 12-6 and 4-2 in conference, I like the odds he is going to be 4 of 5 years at .500 or better. Heck, I am even cautiously optimistic this is our first conference WINNING record (above .500) since the 1989 season. Wayne Tinkle is significantly better than any coach we have had at Oregon state in 24 freaking years. I don't know that he is the coach that starts to take us to the final four... Or even one that consistently gets us to the NCAA...but I do know he is undeniably the best one we have had in basically a quarter century. Hence, the philosophy of many... he's better than the sh$t we've had so he's good. And of course OSU is unable to get anyone better. And, yeah if you say so it only counts if you have a definitive list of names that are better and will accept the job. He's not terrible, but being better than those clowns and .500 aren't stellar selling points. And, funny how the same guys stating MR (far far better than his predecessors) was mediocre and could never take OSU to the next level... now accept the same in hoops. Add to that how they disparaged those of us that dissed their -new savior... GAG was the future. Fun times.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 25, 2019 20:04:19 GMT -8
From 1990 until 2014. 24 years. Oregon state had 5 seasons at .500 or better overall basketball. 3 of those years were EXACTLY .500 ball. Since 1990 we have had TWO seasons with a .500 record in conference play. WT has one of those years. Even Craig Robinson's 21 win year featured a 7-11 conference record. Wayne Tinkle has 3 years out of 4 full years at .500 or better ball. Not to count chickens before they are hatched, but at 12-6 and 4-2 in conference, I like the odds he is going to be 4 of 5 years at .500 or better. Heck, I am even cautiously optimistic this is our first conference WINNING record (above .500) since the 1989 season. Wayne Tinkle is significantly better than any coach we have had at Oregon state in 24 freaking years. I don't know that he is the coach that starts to take us to the final four... Or even one that consistently gets us to the NCAA...but I do know he is undeniably the best one we have had in basically a quarter century. Hence, the philosophy of many... he's better than the sh$t we've had so he's good. And of course OSU is unable to get anyone better. And, yeah if you say so it only counts if you have a definitive list of names that are better and will accept the job. He's not terrible, but being better than those clowns and .500 aren't stellar selling points. And, funny how the same guys stating MR (far far better than his predecessors) was mediocre and could never take OSU to the next level... now accept the same in hoops. Add to that how they disparaged those of us that dissed their -new savior... GAG was the future. Fun times. Maybe we should hire you. You could take shi$ty to a whole new level. Comparing Tinkle to GA is stupid. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 25, 2019 20:08:13 GMT -8
Hence, the philosophy of many... he's better than the sh$t we've had so he's good. And of course OSU is unable to get anyone better. And, yeah if you say so it only counts if you have a definitive list of names that are better and will accept the job. He's not terrible, but being better than those clowns and .500 aren't stellar selling points. And, funny how the same guys stating MR (far far better than his predecessors) was mediocre and could never take OSU to the next level... now accept the same in hoops. Add to that how they disparaged those of us that dissed their -new savior... GAG was the future. Fun times. Maybe we should hire you. You could take shi$ty to a whole new level. Comparing Tinkle to GA is stupid. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL You seemed to miss the entire message... comparison was about supporters and similar "excuses" or reasonings. But, par for your responses.
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Post by hawksea on Jan 26, 2019 14:40:05 GMT -8
Hence, the philosophy of many... he's better than the sh$t we've had so he's good. And of course OSU is unable to get anyone better. And, yeah if you say so it only counts if you have a definitive list of names that are better and will accept the job. He's not terrible, but being better than those clowns and .500 aren't stellar selling points. And, funny how the same guys stating MR (far far better than his predecessors) was mediocre and could never take OSU to the next level... now accept the same in hoops. Add to that how they disparaged those of us that dissed their -new savior... GAG was the future. Fun times. Maybe we should hire you. You could take shi$ty to a whole new level. Comparing Tinkle to GA is stupid. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL I thought the comparison was between Riley and Tinkle. Which I loved Riley and I'm happy with Tinkle. If Tinkle doesn't make it back to the big dance in the next 3 years, then we should consider making a change. Facilities need to continue to improve though.
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Post by jbjam on Jan 26, 2019 16:34:49 GMT -8
Maybe we should hire you. You could take shi$ty to a whole new level. Comparing Tinkle to GA is stupid. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL I thought the comparison was between Riley and Tinkle. Which I loved Riley and I'm happy with Tinkle. If Tinkle doesn't make it back to the big dance in the next 3 years, then we should consider making a change. Facilities need to continue to improve though. If Tinkle can't do it this year, why do you think he can in the future? I'd love to hear some logical reasons. It is a down pac 12. Tell me why I should keep hoping? Is it going to be an influx of better players? What will change?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 26, 2019 18:37:27 GMT -8
Getting rid of the best coach you've had in the last 30 years in the expectation that the next one will be better, is possibly a genious idea... yeah right.
Even if you shell out the big bucks for a "proven" coach, good luck, they'd still be at OSU... don't have the recent history or willingness to cheat at this school.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 26, 2019 18:40:37 GMT -8
Getting rid of the best coach you've had in the last 30 years in the expectation that the next one will be better, is possibly a genious idea... yeah right. Even if you shell out the big bucks for a "proven" coach, good luck, theyxd still at OSU... don't have the recent history or willingness to cheat at this school. Watch it.... you will make pcm and baseballs heads explode
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 26, 2019 18:56:19 GMT -8
Getting rid of the best coach you've had in the last 30 years in the expectation that the next one will be better, is possibly a genious idea... yeah right. Even if you shell out the big bucks for a "proven" coach, good luck, they'd still be at OSU... don't have the recent history or willingness to cheat at this school. Yeah... because coaching hires have to be guaranteed successes! And WT is about 7-9 games better than CR... with only his own recruits about the same. And that's coming in with more D1 experience. So saying he's better than ALL the rest might be accurate. Better than the last is debatable on many fronts... especially the weak ass league and scarily similar finishes. But then again your philosophy didn't hold with football, and WT isn't even in the ball park as the best of all time. No need for any "exploding" there is tons of folks who aspire/accept mediocrity. More power to them.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 26, 2019 18:59:19 GMT -8
Getting rid of the best coach you've had in the last 30 years in the expectation that the next one will be better, is possibly a genious idea... yeah right. Even if you shell out the big bucks for a "proven" coach, good luck, they'd still be at OSU... don't have the recent history or willingness to cheat at this school. Yeah... because coaching hires have to be guaranteed successes! And WT is about 7-9 games better than CR... with only his own recruits about the same. And that's coming in with more D1 experience. So saying he's better than ALL the rest might be accurate. Better than the last is debatable on many fronts... especially the weak ass league and scarily similar finishes. But then again your philosophy didn't hold with football, and WT isn't even in the ball park as the best of all time. No need for any "exploding" there is tons of folks who aspire/accept mediocrity. More power to them. WT is twice the coach that CR is. Unless you love CBI’s.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 26, 2019 21:06:16 GMT -8
Yeah... because coaching hires have to be guaranteed successes! And WT is about 7-9 games better than CR... with only his own recruits about the same. And that's coming in with more D1 experience. So saying he's better than ALL the rest might be accurate. Better than the last is debatable on many fronts... especially the weak ass league and scarily similar finishes. But then again your philosophy didn't hold with football, and WT isn't even in the ball park as the best of all time. No need for any "exploding" there is tons of folks who aspire/accept mediocrity. More power to them. WT is twice the coach that CR is. Unless you love CBI’s. Records say otherwise...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 27, 2019 0:43:00 GMT -8
Getting rid of the best coach you've had in the last 30 years in the expectation that the next one will be better, is possibly a genious idea... yeah right. Even if you shell out the big bucks for a "proven" coach, good luck, they'd still be at OSU... don't have the recent history or willingness to cheat at this school. Yeah... because coaching hires have to be guaranteed successes! And WT is about 7-9 games better than CR... with only his own recruits about the same. And that's coming in with more D1 experience. So saying he's better than ALL the rest might be accurate. Better than the last is debatable on many fronts... especially the weak ass league and scarily similar finishes. But then again your philosophy didn't hold with football, and WT isn't even in the ball park as the best of all time. No need for any "exploding" there is tons of folks who aspire/accept mediocrity. More power to them. I don't even have a clue about your football comment as to what you mean. I was a big Riley fan and thought the people who complained about his mediocrity were nuts. I figured we were due for trouble if he left or got canned, and it came to be. As far as Robinson goes, he got three years out of Jay John recruited talent that started or were in Jay John's top 6 his final year. Robinson lost EVERY starter he had his final season and was canned and Tinkle inherited no starters. By Tinkle's season three the only Robinson recruited player was an injured (not Robinson's fault) N'Diaye. Robinson dropped the ball when it came to recruiting his final 2-3 years. Tinkle inherited inexperienced players and did frankly very well with them the 2 years he had any Robinson recruits. Year 3 of the Tinkle era was a disaster waiting to happen no matter who the coach was due to the lack of anyone in the program for three years, and that's on Robinson's recruiting. Robinson had 3 losing seasons in 6 years, it would have been 4 if not for the deep run into the CBI year 1. Robinson did get into the CBI 4 times, but arguably 2-3 of those times OSU got into the CBI because of who his brother-in-law was, and just as OSU's invite to play at the White House disappeared after his firing, those invites might not have occurred if he hadn't had Obama's name attached to his. Tinkle has had 1 losing season out of 4 (and soon to be 5 by the looks of it). I am frustrated at his recruit retention rate, but so far he hasn't pulled off losing the team's top 5 scorers in one year like Robinson did his final year. You've alluded to the NCAA tournament appearance buying Tinkle time, it kinda did, but I think the job he did his first season bought him more in my mind. I'd let this season play out. It's still early. If the Beavs have a losing season, or all of the starters and major contributors leave (graduating/NBA/transfer/whatever) after the season ends, Tinkle's record here would be pretty much comparable to Robinson's. If not, I find it hard to make that comparison. I have in the past used the phrase "better be careful what you wish for" with the Riley detractors, I'd say the same to the Tinkle detractors at this point. Tinkle could be in the hot seat at some point in the future, a season or two down the line, but now is hardly the time.
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Post by grackle on Jan 27, 2019 8:38:16 GMT -8
FWIW, I choose not to accept mediocrity. Sure-- the next man up after WT could be worse, but that's the chance we take when we try to improve our lot.
I am sure of one thing though-- a mediocre coach is NOT going to take us up to the next level. And, finally, ask yourself: Just where would we be today if Tinkle and Thompson didn't have talented sons playing for them? That's going to be the case in the near future. Likely we're headed to the next level DOWN from mediocre.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 27, 2019 11:55:00 GMT -8
Ah, the old go to. If you don’t have the money to provide a buyout you can’t have an opinion! Ha ha. Ok
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 11:55:45 GMT -8
Ah, the old go to. If you don’t have the money to provide a buyout you can’t have an opinion! Ha ha. Ok Or a definitive list of quality coaches who for sure would take the job...
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Post by hawksea on Jan 27, 2019 12:52:08 GMT -8
I thought the comparison was between Riley and Tinkle. Which I loved Riley and I'm happy with Tinkle. If Tinkle doesn't make it back to the big dance in the next 3 years, then we should consider making a change. Facilities need to continue to improve though. If Tinkle can't do it this year, why do you think he can in the future? I'd love to hear some logical reasons. It is a down pac 12. Tell me why I should keep hoping? Is it going to be an influx of better players? What will change? Tinkle is looking like he might be able to do it this year. If we make either the NCAA or the NIT, then I will be happy. Firing a coach after 5 years who has brought us to being respectable and back to the big dance seems like a dumb idea. Oregon State isn't a place that can bring in a big time coach, and any other coach would take another 4-5 years to bring their players and systems into place, which by then people will call for their heads. Tinkle has been to the NCAA tourney 4 times in his 12+ year career as a HC. I want to see if he can sustain what he has been building when the sons leave.
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