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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 27, 2019 12:58:53 GMT -8
Ah, the old go to. If you don’t have the money to provide a buyout you can’t have an opinion! Ha ha. Ok You can have all the opinions you want. It'll still be irrelevant (as far as a replacement coach choice at this juncture), due to his remaining contract.
If that’s the case, this whole message board should be shut down. No posts on here are relevant to any decisions the University makes regarding the coaches, budgets, anything. Relevant or not I like to hear opinions and ideas from others especially ones I hadn’t thought of. But that’s just me.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 13:05:12 GMT -8
If Tinkle can't do it this year, why do you think he can in the future? I'd love to hear some logical reasons. It is a down pac 12. Tell me why I should keep hoping? Is it going to be an influx of better players? What will change? Tinkle is looking like he might be able to do it this year. If we make either the NCAA or the NIT, then I will be happy. Firing a coach after 5 years who has brought us to being respectable and back to the big dance seems like a dumb idea. Oregon State isn't a place that can bring in a big time coach, and any other coach would take another 4-5 years to bring their players and systems into place, which by then people will call for their heads. Tinkle has been to the NCAA tourney 4 times in his 12+ year career as a HC. I want to see if he can sustain what he has been building when the sons leave. Completely false assertion that it takes 4-5 years for hoops. All you have to do is watch yesterday. A long time assistant, no D1 HCing (maybe no HC??) experience, from the east coast, takes a 9-22/2-16 team (also.brutal the two years prior) to 21 wins/10-8 in Pac12 in year 1. Year 2 is 7-0 in Pac12 playing terrific D and very disciplined O, and recruiting very well. And, it's not because it's Seattle. It's the coach first and foremost. OSU "can't" is a figment. Hasn't yet due to who was doing the hiring is more like it. And, as for "sustaining"... would that be mediocre .500 ball only due to weak OOC schedules? What, closer to 20 games under in league play? Not happening because of idiotic extension, but it can be done. Holy cow even a clutz like CR did a remarkable job in years 1 and 2 after what JJ left us.
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Post by hawksea on Jan 27, 2019 13:25:51 GMT -8
Tinkle is looking like he might be able to do it this year. If we make either the NCAA or the NIT, then I will be happy. Firing a coach after 5 years who has brought us to being respectable and back to the big dance seems like a dumb idea. Oregon State isn't a place that can bring in a big time coach, and any other coach would take another 4-5 years to bring their players and systems into place, which by then people will call for their heads. Tinkle has been to the NCAA tourney 4 times in his 12+ year career as a HC. I want to see if he can sustain what he has been building when the sons leave. Completely false assertion that it takes 4-5 years for hoops. All you have to do is watch yesterday. A long time assistant, no D1 HCing (maybe no HC??) experience, from the east coast, takes a 9-22/2-16 team (also.brutal the two years prior) to 21 wins/10-8 in Pac12 in year 1. Year 2 is 7-0 in Pac12 playing terrific D and very disciplined O, and recruiting very well. And, it's not because it's Seattle. It's the coach first and foremost. OSU "can't" is a figment. Hasn't yet due to who was doing the hiring is more like it. And, as for "sustaining"... would that be mediocre .500 ball only due to weak OOC schedules? What, closer to 20 games under in league play? Not happening because of idiotic extension, but it can be done. Holy cow even a clutz like CR did a remarkable job in years 1 and 2 after what JJ left us. There is no way UW's coach would have left Syracuse for OSU if we had ever gone after him. He would laugh in our faces. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Others have already brought up Tinkles year over year record, so that doesn't need to be rehashed. But I would take an 8-10 record with scrubs and 9-9 with a NCAA tournament appearance in a coaches first two years any day... I'm not saying you need to have a list of coaches who would accept the job before you fired Tinkle, but OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing research ahead of time. Just like people like you are calling for Tinkles head without proposing a replacement who could do any better.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 13:36:49 GMT -8
Completely false assertion that it takes 4-5 years for hoops. All you have to do is watch yesterday. A long time assistant, no D1 HCing (maybe no HC??) experience, from the east coast, takes a 9-22/2-16 team (also.brutal the two years prior) to 21 wins/10-8 in Pac12 in year 1. Year 2 is 7-0 in Pac12 playing terrific D and very disciplined O, and recruiting very well. And, it's not because it's Seattle. It's the coach first and foremost. OSU "can't" is a figment. Hasn't yet due to who was doing the hiring is more like it. And, as for "sustaining"... would that be mediocre .500 ball only due to weak OOC schedules? What, closer to 20 games under in league play? Not happening because of idiotic extension, but it can be done. Holy cow even a clutz like CR did a remarkable job in years 1 and 2 after what JJ left us. There is no way UW's coach would have left Syracuse for OSU if we had ever gone after him. He would laugh in our faces. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Others have already brought up Tinkles year over year record, so that doesn't need to be rehashed. But I would take an 8-10 record with scrubs and 9-9 with a NCAA tournament appearance in a coaches first two years any day... I'm not saying you need to have a list of coaches who would accept the job before you fired Tinkle, but OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing research ahead of time. Just like people like you are calling for Tinkles head without proposing a replacement who could do any better. As usual you're off the deep end with no rope. I'm not sure anyone has called for his head? Me personally, never. I simply stated, repeatedly, that your assertions are completely false. You have zero credence to stat UWs coach wouldn't have come. Zero. And, the past hires and the ADs who made them have zero bearing on future hires. So, if your life is filled with mediocrity and you accept it because you can't do any better... more power to you. But, successful people and organizations don't think like that. And, I'm not sure you've ever been in the position of hiring coaches, but there is actually a vast amount of research and time spent on new hires. Much spent prior to the actual announcing the release of a coach. But, to have an opinion that there are great coaching prospects who'd take the OSU job doesn't mean the poster has to have a list or the $for the buy out. Sort of a ludicrous assertion since we here don't hire or fire.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 27, 2019 13:37:06 GMT -8
FWIW, I choose not to accept mediocrity. Sure-- the next man up after WT could be worse, but that's the chance we take when we try to improve our lot. I am sure of one thing though-- a mediocre coach is NOT going to take us up to the next level. And, finally, ask yourself: Just where would we be today if Tinkle and Thompson didn't have talented sons playing for them? That's going to be the case in the near future. Likely we're headed to the next level DOWN from mediocre. If you could tell me exactly who we would have signed instead of Tres and the Thompsons, then you would have a more reliable estimate of where we would be. Since that didn't happen, anything anyone says is merely conjecture.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 13:53:04 GMT -8
FWIW, I choose not to accept mediocrity. Sure-- the next man up after WT could be worse, but that's the chance we take when we try to improve our lot. I am sure of one thing though-- a mediocre coach is NOT going to take us up to the next level. And, finally, ask yourself: Just where would we be today if Tinkle and Thompson didn't have talented sons playing for them? That's going to be the case in the near future. Likely we're headed to the next level DOWN from mediocre. If you could tell me exactly who we would have signed instead of Tres and the Thompsons, then you would have a more reliable estimate of where we would be. Since that didn't happen, anything anyone says is merely conjecture. Not actually if you take the stance, who have we signed of equal or better caliber other than "sons"? AH is close, but the answer is Drew and no one else...
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Post by hawksea on Jan 27, 2019 14:06:38 GMT -8
There is no way UW's coach would have left Syracuse for OSU if we had ever gone after him. He would laugh in our faces. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Others have already brought up Tinkles year over year record, so that doesn't need to be rehashed. But I would take an 8-10 record with scrubs and 9-9 with a NCAA tournament appearance in a coaches first two years any day... I'm not saying you need to have a list of coaches who would accept the job before you fired Tinkle, but OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing research ahead of time. Just like people like you are calling for Tinkles head without proposing a replacement who could do any better. As usual you're off the deep end with no rope. I'm not sure anyone has called for his head? Me personally, never. I simply stated, repeatedly, that your assertions are completely false. You have zero credence to stat UWs coach wouldn't have come. Zero. And, the past hires and the ADs who made them have zero bearing on future hires. So, if your life is filled with mediocrity and you accept it because you can't do any better... more power to you. But, successful people and organizations don't think like that. And, I'm not sure you've ever been in the position of hiring coaches, but there is actually a vast amount of research and time spent on new hires. Much spent prior to the actual announcing the release of a coach. But, to have an opinion that there are great coaching prospects who'd take the OSU job doesn't mean the poster has to have a list or the $for the buy out. Sort of a ludicrous assertion since we here don't hire or fire. Good thing I'm young and a strong swimmer then despite having almost never posted... If mediocrity is making the NCAA tournament, then I would take it in this case over the alternative. I would consider myself a successful person (so far, I'm only in my mid 20s), and I work for a successful company, so I would not say I settle for mediocrity. I agree that past hires don't necessarily impact future hires, facilities, money, area, and ease of recruiting are all strong indicators for where a coach would want to go. Oregon states facilities are improving, but comparing them and everything else to UW is a joke. Comparing to WSU would be a better comparison. I certainly have never been in the position to hire a coach and never will be, but I am not wrong in what I said. I said OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing their research ahead of time. Is that a false statement? I also never said someone needs to have the money for a buy out or a list. Calling for a replacement without having anyone in mind however is a great way of getting ignored and sounding like a grumpy old man. You might want to learn to read who you are replying to... I'm someone who has almost never posted and half of what you said in that last post has nothing to do with what I've said.
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 27, 2019 14:06:56 GMT -8
There is no way UW's coach would have left Syracuse for OSU if we had ever gone after him. He would laugh in our faces. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Others have already brought up Tinkles year over year record, so that doesn't need to be rehashed. But I would take an 8-10 record with scrubs and 9-9 with a NCAA tournament appearance in a coaches first two years any day... I'm not saying you need to have a list of coaches who would accept the job before you fired Tinkle, but OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing research ahead of time. Just like people like you are calling for Tinkles head without proposing a replacement who could do any better. As usual you're off the deep end with no rope. I'm not sure anyone has called for his head? Me personally, never. I simply stated, repeatedly, that your assertions are completely false. You have zero credence to stat UWs coach wouldn't have come. Zero. And, the past hires and the ADs who made them have zero bearing on future hires. So, if your life is filled with mediocrity and you accept it because you can't do any better... more power to you. But, successful people and organizations don't think like that. And, I'm not sure you've ever been in the position of hiring coaches, but there is actually a vast amount of research and time spent on new hires. Much spent prior to the actual announcing the release of a coach. But, to have an opinion that there are great coaching prospects who'd take the OSU job doesn't mean the poster has to have a list or the $for the buy out. Sort of a ludicrous assertion since we here don't hire or fire. I remember the UW coaches name coming up when the coaching search was taking place. Maybe it was just on here I don’t remember. Hopefully there was some type of contact to see if there was any interest at all. I think it was also bad timing because it was maybe around the time he was getting some head coaching experience at the D1 level at Syracuse because of Boeheim’s suspension. He was also considered the head coach in waiting, and it probably felt sooner than later at that time.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 14:24:56 GMT -8
As usual you're off the deep end with no rope. I'm not sure anyone has called for his head? Me personally, never. I simply stated, repeatedly, that your assertions are completely false. You have zero credence to stat UWs coach wouldn't have come. Zero. And, the past hires and the ADs who made them have zero bearing on future hires. So, if your life is filled with mediocrity and you accept it because you can't do any better... more power to you. But, successful people and organizations don't think like that. And, I'm not sure you've ever been in the position of hiring coaches, but there is actually a vast amount of research and time spent on new hires. Much spent prior to the actual announcing the release of a coach. But, to have an opinion that there are great coaching prospects who'd take the OSU job doesn't mean the poster has to have a list or the $for the buy out. Sort of a ludicrous assertion since we here don't hire or fire. Good thing I'm young and a strong swimmer then despite having almost never posted... If mediocrity is making the NCAA tournament, then I would take it in this case over the alternative. I would consider myself a successful person (so far, I'm only in my mid 20s), and I work for a successful company, so I would not say I settle for mediocrity. I agree that past hires don't necessarily impact future hires, facilities, money, area, and ease of recruiting are all strong indicators for where a coach would want to go. Oregon states facilities are improving, but comparing them and everything else to UW is a joke. Comparing to WSU would be a better comparison. I certainly have never been in the position to hire a coach and never will be, but I am not wrong in what I said. I said OSU would be stupid to fire him without doing their research ahead of time. Is that a false statement? I also never said someone needs to have the money for a buy out or a list. Calling for a replacement without having anyone in mind however is a great way of getting ignored and sounding like a grumpy old man. You might want to learn to read who you are replying to... I'm someone who has almost never posted and half of what you said in that last post has nothing to do with what I've said. Actually it's a topic well developed and the reply includes items as such. And yes you're wrong in many instances, including the implication said research is not part of the process. And and poster "calling for a replacement", again wrong... happens all the time and as stated why could a name given by a poster matter? Yeah... it doesn't. And, not needed to have said opinion. Finally, since you've never even hired a coach you'd not know if the lure of a Pac12 job weighs more than... by the way Gill, practice facility, etc are quite nice in comparison to many D1 facilities. PS- hasn't sniffed ANY tournament with his own recruits. GPII could be said to be more responsible than WT. And, he was already a commit, legacy... WT just had to not eff it up to keep him. Lucky for him he did, because the main positive most posters bring up... NCAA streak broken. Second most, he's a nice guy. Third, players are good kids and stay out of trouble. Well, I'd bet most are good guys. Most kids are good kids if you recruit correctly. Not... play on the court, recruiting, player development, teaching the x's and o's...
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Post by jbjam on Jan 27, 2019 14:34:03 GMT -8
Completely false assertion that it takes 4-5 years for hoops. All you have to do is watch yesterday. A long time assistant, no D1 HCing (maybe no HC??) experience, from the east coast, takes a 9-22/2-16 team (also.brutal the two years prior) to 21 wins/10-8 in Pac12 in year 1. Year 2 is 7-0 in Pac12 playing terrific D and very disciplined O, and recruiting very well. And, it's not because it's Seattle. It's the coach first and foremost. OSU "can't" is a figment. Hasn't yet due to who was doing the hiring is more like it. And, as for "sustaining"... would that be mediocre .500 ball only due to weak OOC schedules? What, closer to 20 games under in league play? Not happening because of idiotic extension, but it can be done. Holy cow even a clutz like CR did a remarkable job in years 1 and 2 after what JJ left us. . We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Uhhh baseball, womens basketball and several football recruits would like to tell you how off that statement is. Overall players follow coaches. How'd Miller ever get Gary Payton to sucky Corvallis. Or was GP a scrub. I'll never understand the loser woe is us mentality some fans have.
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Post by jbjam on Jan 27, 2019 14:51:39 GMT -8
I think this team has talent. I'm willing to wait until the end of the season.. but if they dont finish in the top 3-4 given the pac this year. I say pull the plug. I do not see hope... but I pray I'm wrong and they change whatever they are doing in practice and roll.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 15:07:47 GMT -8
. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Uhhh baseball, womens basketball and several football recruits would like to tell you how off that statement is. Overall players follow coaches. How'd Miller ever get Gary Payton to sucky Corvallis. Or was GP a scrub. I'll never understand the loser woe is us mentality some fans have. Or the "logic" of... "we can't get a better coach", but we expect better recruits?!
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 27, 2019 15:21:10 GMT -8
Unsolicited fact check:
Conference record through the 79 games played to date for Coach Tinkle, 29-50
Conference record through the first 79 games for Coach Robinson, 28-51
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2019 15:35:03 GMT -8
Unsolicited fact check:
Conference record through the 79 games played to date for Coach Tinkle, 29-50
Conference record through the first 79 games for Coach Robinson, 28-51
But, remember to most the CR "leftovers" contributed little... and one season didn't count. So, to some that's a figment of naysayers.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 27, 2019 15:37:22 GMT -8
. We aren't a school that can bring in great coach, or the talent that UW brings in. Uhhh baseball, womens basketball and several football recruits would like to tell you how off that statement is. Overall players follow coaches. How'd Miller ever get Gary Payton to sucky Corvallis. Or was GP a scrub. I'll never understand the loser woe is us mentality some fans have. I’m not saying we can’t get a better coach, but comparing men’s basketball recruiting to women’s basketball or baseball is ridiculous. We are in a very similar situation to WSU. You are going to have to have an amazing coach to overcome the inherent disadvantages that we have in recruiting for men’s basketball. WSU had the Bennett’s which ran a unique style and had a lot of success. Otherwise, they’ve sucked forever as well, even with a coach that was very successful at another PAC 12 school. And, the world has changed a lot since Gary Payton’s time. Lots more $$$, recruiting exposure, etc since that time. I’m not “settling for mediocrity”. I just realize how tough of a job WT has. That’s been proven with the previous coaches that have failed before WT. He will get at least one more year and then we’ll see from there.
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