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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 14, 2018 15:26:12 GMT -8
Pretty much the same standard routine heckling, not insults, at least from my section. It's a college sporting event. Some degree of heckling is to be expected. Supposedly umpires do not like working at Goss, probably because there are actually 3,000 fans at the game who hold them accountable, instead of the usual gathering of 400-500 parents and girlfriends at Cal, oregon, UW, WSU, USC, etc.
Stanford's dugout was far, far more mouthy than it ever was under Marquess, even saying highly inappropriate things to one of our pitchers.
Cal was always one of the mouthiest teams we ever played. They trashed the visiting locker room in 2006 or 2007, which is why it is no longer open to visiting teams. It sounds as if the former Cal coach, who was in charge of the program when they trashed the locker room, has brought that attitude with him to Stanford.
Marquess had his own issues with OSU (he couldn't beat us, after fighting reunification tooth-and-nail and bad-mouthing the North at every opportunity), but he did not tolerate that kind of stuff.
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Post by 56chevy on May 14, 2018 20:56:33 GMT -8
We were described over the weekend by the Pac-12 TV crew as "some of the most intense fans in the Country"...guilty as charged. Over the line, no. Acting with less class than we could at times... yes, a few people a few times over the course of a game. Mostly, those few people have had more than a few at Banners. In general, for visiting teams I would say it is a mistake for them to show up at Goss with mouthy chippy attitudes. To do so is to pick a fight with a few thousand of the most intense baseball fans in the Country. Which is a stupid thing to do. If I were coaching a team coming in to Goss, I'd tell the kids to keep their mouths shut and let their play on the field take care of things.
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Post by nabeav on May 14, 2018 21:05:07 GMT -8
Agree that other teams should let their play do the talking.
But I would say if we expect them to do that, shouldn’t our fans do the same? Let our team do the talking?
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Post by baseba1111 on May 14, 2018 22:01:03 GMT -8
Agree that other teams should let their play do the talking. But I would say if we expect them to do that, shouldn’t our fans do the same? Let our team do the talking? It only takes the 5%... and any regular attendee at home games is deaf if they say we don't have fans that cross the line... repeatedly! There are at least a half dozen that choose to sit behind the visitor dugout for the very purpose of practicing their drunken "humor". They are not the only ones, but are in the extreme minority yet make the entire program seem arrogant and bush league. I'll also say that I was totally against the beer garden for the amplification of this type of behavior. And, in my opinion it has worsened in part due to the presence of sanctioned alcohol. The other aspect of course is the sustained success. Like any school/program that achieves a high level of success and recognition there are the "look at me" fans. The ones that just want to be seen there, get drunk, think they know it all about OSU baseball... and if course are very boisterous. OSU had nearly 12,000 fans in attendance this weekend, all are not great people/fans. It's just the makeup of society. We have as many "bad" fans as other good programs... and the better the weather, the bigger the series, the more they drink... the more inappropriate they get. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 15, 2018 6:38:13 GMT -8
Our team does in fact do the talking with their play on the field. We support that play with our own enthusiasm very well. I've not heard fans sitting behind the visiting teams dugout for the express purpose of making inappropriate comments, but I sit down the left field line. What I have heard from time to time is the riding of the opposing teams left fielder by a few people under the influence leaning against the railing at Banners and at times it has been over the top. The implementation of alcohol service has not been good, in part because you've got a group of people selling 50 kegs a week who have no idea what they are doing. Having said that, the claim or concern in general that we as a group are too mean or too aggressive is way down on the list of things people should be concerned about.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 15, 2018 8:40:46 GMT -8
Pretty much the same standard routine heckling, not insults, at least from my section. It's a college sporting event. Some degree of heckling is to be expected. Supposedly umpires do not like working at Goss, probably because there are actually 3,000 fans at the game who hold them accountable, instead of the usual gathering of 400-500 parents and girlfriends at Cal, oregon, UW, WSU, USC, etc. I've noticed in particular that our fans are very quick to jump on home plate ump over balls/strikes (more than I can recall in past years) - I'm guessing this is some Greg Street-related PTSD... |
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Post by mbabeav on May 15, 2018 9:41:33 GMT -8
with the two dollar coors light day out in the bleachers there were several R rated commentaries going on in the bleacher seats, had to remind them there were children around them, and it was bush. Having said that, back during one regional there was a heckler who was perfectly clean, but totally got into the head of the right fielder to the point where he was o fer at the plate and made an error or two.
The way you could judge that it was within boundaries was watching the center fielder - he was looking at his teammate with a half laugh, and a half "better you than me" - now a guy like Steven Kwan would have came over on breaks and in the dugout and got the guy to refocus, but he left him out there to hang (leadership matters!). The kid could of handled it a lot better, like I have seen many players do, but he just lost focus. A good heckler is part of baseball - insults and swearing is not, and that I totally disapprove.
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Post by nabeav on May 15, 2018 9:43:18 GMT -8
I know we have some longtime fans who LIVE for making umpires lives miserable. I remember one guy in the early 00s following an umpire all the way down the baseline in between innings to give him a piece of his mind. Never understood the "I can't wait to get the ballpark to yell at the umpire the first time he makes a call I disagree with" guy, but to each their own I guess.
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Post by jefframp on May 15, 2018 9:56:28 GMT -8
I sit just to the left of the visitor's dugout in the front row and I did not hear anything unsavory and I am the first one to cringe when that does happen. Of course my hearing is not as sharp as it used to be so there's that.
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Post by beavadelic on May 15, 2018 11:52:48 GMT -8
Our team does in fact do the talking with their play on the field. We support that play with our own enthusiasm very well. I've not heard fans sitting behind the visiting teams dugout for the express purpose of making inappropriate comments, but I sit down the left field line. What I have heard from time to time is the riding of the opposing teams left fielder by a few people under the influence leaning against the railing at Banners and at times it has been over the top. The implementation of alcohol service has not been good, in part because you've got a group of people selling 50 kegs a week who have no idea what they are doing. Having said that, the claim or concern in general that we as a group are too mean or too aggressive is way down on the list of things people should be concerned about. The buffoonery of some fans hanging around Banners caught my attention in the ASU series. They were riding the left fielder, who handled it well and mashed a bomb in his next at bat to get his “revenge”. The really good ones make a mouthy crowd pay with their play. I’m just one of those fans who never liked fueling competitive fires in our opponents. Those antics seldom impact the play of the other guys. As long as the heckling isn’t obscene or abusive or mega-redundant, I don’t see a problem, but it can be tough for some fans to establish an appropriate line, and even tougher to toe it, especially after downing a few cold ones. Just my opinion, but if the vocal minority doesn’t have some decent boundaries, the perception of cumulative Beaver fan baseball IQ and class takes a big hit. |
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Post by zeroposter on May 15, 2018 17:17:45 GMT -8
During the first game of the 2005 Corvallis regional, the St. John's right fielder made a mistake early in the game. Lots of heckling. He ran back to his position and acknowledged his mistake by demonstrating his goof to the right field bleachers. After that, he would walk out and talk to the bleacher section. He became a huge bleacher favorite even against Oregon State.
Against Ohio State(I think), he had the key hit for St. John's, and the right field bleacher fans went wild. The guy pointed to his new fans in acknowledgement. Pretty special personality.
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