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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 19, 2018 10:40:17 GMT -8
The previous thread related to this topic has been locked.
Raoul's latest (as of April 19) Tweet reports that the list of D1 women's players either seeking or have already transferred has grown to 167, including the recent addition of Washington's freshman point guard Kierra Collier.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2018 12:30:56 GMT -8
Looks like that guard we were wondering about from UCSB landed at K-State. Utah picked up some depth, maybe, with Porter - 9/3/2 Pts/Reb/Ass per game. Overbeck, though, is a potential star for USC. She was SEC all-Freshman-Team and played on the USA U19 team.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 19, 2018 12:48:56 GMT -8
In an ordinary year I would have liked to land Sarah Bates from UCSB - -but this year (and next) the Beavs are so stacked at Guard she would not improve our roster at all....
USC is another matter - this is the 2nd year running they have added a quality transfer. Last year they got Mariya Moore from U. Louisville and she made an impact right away...
This year its Overbeck who was a local h.s. star before heading East to Vandy....Now she's back in Socal....
I've mentioned before that USC is definitely building an impressive roster....Their coach likes fast athletic kids who play pressure D and run the court..
I don't know much about their coach but I have the feeling we will learn more about him in the next couple years.....
Sirmon graduates this year and I'm glad to see her gone....With better coaching she could have had an awesome season. Premiere athlete with volume, quickness and a good shooting touch...
Rueck and staff, with 3 years to develop her game, could have made her an All-American - assuming she could handle the disciplined regimen of the OSU program...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 19, 2018 13:54:35 GMT -8
Trakh coached at USC from 2005-09. His teams were athletic, physical, played with an attitude, often chippy. Same as this year's team. He is no secret to anyone.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 19, 2018 14:40:47 GMT -8
Well, he was a secret to me. But I was not following WBB in 2005 - 2009 during his tenure at USC......
But I'm glad people here at Benny's know something about him....
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -8
Mark Trakh's record in his first stint.
Year Overall Conference
2004–05 20–11 12–6 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2005–06 19–12 11–7 5th NCAA Second Round
2006–07 17–13 10–8 5th
2007–08 17–13 10–8 T–4th
2008–09 17–15 9–9 T–4th
He did well at NMSt, rebuilding a basket case of a program. But the WAC is about as low as you can go in Div 1 without a shovel.
I like the guy, but he wasn't all that successful at a time when the Pac wasn't all that competitive.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 19, 2018 16:22:59 GMT -8
Trakh coached at USC from 2005-09. His teams were athletic, physical, played with an attitude, often chippy. Same as this year's team. He is no secret to anyone. I hold Trakh 90 percent responsible for the false racism accusations made by USC players against OSU fans. Cynthia Cooper was always a classy coach and I don't think the fiasco that followed the OSU USC game in Corvallis would have happened on her watch. Count me as extremely unimpressed with Mark Trakh. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 19, 2018 17:01:11 GMT -8
Trakh coached at USC from 2005-09. His teams were athletic, physical, played with an attitude, often chippy. Same as this year's team. He is no secret to anyone. I hold Trakh 90 percent responsible for the false racism accusations made by USC players against OSU fans. Cynthia Cooper was always a classy coach and I don't think the fiasco that followed the OSU USC game in Corvallis would have happened on her watch. Count me as extremely unimpressed with Mark Trakh. I didn't like the way he coached in his first stint and was not impressed this year. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2018 17:52:55 GMT -8
And you base this opinion on . . . what, precisely? I saw Trakh talking the big girl down from her distraught state, and it seems very likely that he is the one that told Minyon to remove the tweet. He never said a bad word about OSU, Corvallis, or Gill through the whole process. What, exactly, did he do to be "90% responsible"?
And what do you suppose Cooper would have done? Would the OSU fan been any less of a p***k? Would the players have been any less emotional? Would the tweet have come down faster? There is no reason to believe that anything would have been different.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 19, 2018 18:19:33 GMT -8
And you base this opinion on . . . what, precisely? I saw Trakh talking the big girl down from her distraught state, and it seems very likely that he is the one that told Minyon to remove the tweet. He never said a bad word about OSU, Corvallis, or Gill through the whole process. What, exactly, did he do to be "90% responsible"? And what do you suppose Cooper would have done? Would the OSU fan been any less of a p***k? Would the players have been any less emotional? Would the tweet have come down faster? There is no reason to believe that anything would have been different. Based on the fact that Simon didn't confront the fan spontaneously and immediately after 0:00 but only after first going downstairs into the visiting locker room with her teammates, HC and assistants. THEN she comes back up courtside with a head of steam to have an emotional confrontation with fan(s). Whatever Trakh and his staff said to her in the locker room did absolutely nothing to calm and reassure her but instead, inspired her to unwisely return upstairs and have a player/fan confrontation. That's what I base it on. At best, Trakh failed to convince Simon he had her back and would take up her concerns through proper channels. At worst he fanned the flames to the point where it devolved into an embarrassing (for USC mostly) fiasco. Cynthia Cooper always carried herself with class and her teams took her lead. I don't recall any embarassing fiascos during her college career, her 14 year professional playing career or under her leadership during her 12 year career as a college head coach. And I think it's a safe bet that somewhere along that path she had a team that encountered uncalled for comments from unkind, unsportsmanlike fans during a tough loss on the road. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 19, 2018 19:57:14 GMT -8
Your insinuation that Trakh "fanned the flames" is reprehensible. I saw Trakh with my own eyes doing his best to calm and console a distraught Simon. His only failing was in not anticipating in that moment that another player would go onto twitter and post a thoughtless statement. That doesn't make him a villain.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 19, 2018 20:02:56 GMT -8
Your insinuation that Trakh "fanned the flames" is reprehensible. I saw Trakh with my own eyes doing his best to calm and console a distraught Simon. His only failing was in not anticipating in that moment that another player would go onto twitter and post a thoughtless statement. That doesn't make him a villain. Neither you nor I know what transpired in the locker room with her coaches and teammates. Only that Simon came out more agitated and upset than she went in. Never said Trakh's a villain. I'll reserve that language for criminals. Just saying I'm not impressed by how he leads his team when the going gets tough - responsibility #1 for a head coach. |
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 19, 2018 23:43:27 GMT -8
Your insinuation that Trakh "fanned the flames" is reprehensible. I saw Trakh with my own eyes doing his best to calm and console a distraught Simon. His only failing was in not anticipating in that moment that another player would go onto twitter and post a thoughtless statement. That doesn't make him a villain. I’d also say that he failed in allowing a player or players to leave the locker room and confront a fan. I don’t think anything good could come from that. I don’t think it’s necessarily indicative of Trakh as a coach but definitely a situation that could have been handled better. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 20, 2018 15:19:40 GMT -8
Your insinuation that Trakh "fanned the flames" is reprehensible. I saw Trakh with my own eyes doing his best to calm and console a distraught Simon. His only failing was in not anticipating in that moment that another player would go onto twitter and post a thoughtless statement. That doesn't make him a villain. I’d also say that he failed in allowing a player or players to leave the locker room and confront a fan. I don’t think anything good could come from that. I don’t think it’s necessarily indicative of Trakh as a coach but definitely a situation that could have been handled better. This thread has devolved. A series of really pointless speculation over a situation that no one on this board truly knows much about the behind the scenes happenings. I will tell you for a fact... male coaches are not in the women's locker room 24/7 before or after games. Asst coaches typically don't anticipate a player(s) players leaving to confront fans. Players leave the locker room on their own, rarely escorted or watched over all the time. Trakh is a class guy. He has been at several camps/ clinics and is super knowledgeable and friendly. He has always handled himself and players in a respectful manner. And, he has quality players wanting to come to SC. This was a aberration, a weird scenario involving a volatile "personality". There was no playbook in "handling" it. And, for Joe Blow fan it was probably all over long before this board will let it go. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 20, 2018 15:39:07 GMT -8
I’d also say that he failed in allowing a player or players to leave the locker room and confront a fan. I don’t think anything good could come from that. I don’t think it’s necessarily indicative of Trakh as a coach but definitely a situation that could have been handled better. This thread has devolved. A series of really pointless speculation over a situation that no one on this board truly knows much about the behind the scenes happenings. I will tell you for a fact... male coaches are not in the women's locker room 24/7 before or after games. Asst coaches typically don't anticipate a player(s) players leaving to confront fans. Players leave the locker room on their own, rarely escorted or watched over all the time. Trakh is a class guy. He has been at several camps/ clinics and is super knowledgeable and friendly. He has always handled himself and players in a respectful manner. And, he has quality players wanting to come to SC. This was a aberration, a weird scenario involving a volatile "personality". There was no playbook in "handling" it. And, for Joe Blow fan it was probably all over long before this board will let it go. God knows "Joe Blow fan" is entitled to his opinion. I've offered my estimation of Trakh and my reasons for it. Perhaps if I'd palled around with him at a coaching clinic and marveled at his basketball mastery I'd feel different, but I doubt it. |
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