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Post by skyrider on Feb 19, 2018 6:41:38 GMT -8
I have been participating in this forum for about 3 years now, and have never said one word about the quality (or lack of same) of officiating in the women's basketball games.
However, the officials in the USC-OSU game were so bad I think some action needs to be taken by the league.
USC players were allowed time after time after time, to run/push/shove/etc. their way through screens that Beaver players set. OSU players were being knocked to the floor in such situations without any calls.
The officials were extremely fortunate that they were officiating a women's game. In my view, had this been a men's game, there would have been fights during the game because of the blatant attempts at physical intimidation by some USC players.
Women players (to their credit) seldom resort to fighting, so the officials are just able to allow such obvious rule violations to go on.
At the very least, I would hope that OSU would highlight the many excessive physical contact situations by USC in the game on a game video and send that to the PAC 12 commissioner with a call for review and action.
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 19, 2018 8:18:35 GMT -8
The play by play TV announcers used the term "aggressive" physical play to describe
the USC team, but from what I saw it was OVERLY aggressive, borderline thuggish at times.
I know SR was being nice and just doing his job, but IMO he was WAY too generous in his praise of the USC team during the postgame presser.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 8:25:24 GMT -8
The play by play TV announcers used the term "aggressive" physical play to describe the USC team, but from what I saw it was OVERLY aggressive, borderline thuggish at times. I know SR was being nice and just doing his job, but IMO he was WAY too generous in his praise of the USC team during the postgame presser. He probably had to watch his words since he had already received a public reprimand by the Pac 12 for a supposed negative comment about the officials. I, on the other hand, am not. The Pac 12 has the worst officials of the power five conferences hands down. And not just women's basketball but many sports. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 8:43:08 GMT -8
The play by play TV announcers used the term "aggressive" physical play to describe the USC team, but from what I saw it was OVERLY aggressive, borderline thuggish at times. I know SR was being nice and just doing his job, but IMO he was WAY too generous in his praise of the USC team during the postgame presser. If the refs are allowing physical play then you have to play accordingly. BASKETBALL IS A PHYSICAL AND AGRESSIVE SPORT. Period. And well only see more of it the deeper we advance in the NCAA’s. So maybe in the bigger picture USC and these refs did us a favor. Just my opinion. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 19, 2018 9:20:10 GMT -8
In my view, physical play is what you see when you watch Mikayla Pivec play.
What you saw yesterday from several USC players was not just physical, it violated the rules (i.e. pushing through and running over OSU players that were screening, a direct
shove of Kat Tudor near the very end of the game that was clearly a technical foul, etc.)
Quite obvious from my point of view that the officials were unwilling to confront the issue of overly agressive play by USC so just took the easy way out and let it go.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 19, 2018 9:26:40 GMT -8
Infinity is a bad ref, with an agenda. She initiated the review on the Gulich play in the first half, an obvious flop. She also refused to review the play on Gulich in the second half, when #35 elbowed her in the face. She also called the T on Scott, who did not raise his voice.
Scofield is average, past his better days. The blonde ref was just there to fill out the crew, she definitely deferred and hardly made a call. USC players were complaining about every foul called on them.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 9:46:04 GMT -8
In my view, physical play is what you see when you watch Mikayla Pivec play. What you saw yesterday from several USC players was not just physical, it violated the rules (i.e. pushing through and running over OSU players that were screening, a direct shove of Kat Tudor near the very end of the game that was clearly a technical foul, etc.) Quite obvious from my point of view that the officials were unwilling to confront the issue of overly agressive play by USC so just took the easy way out and let it go. It was obvious that Simon had completely “lost the plot” at that point. She knew she had 4 fouls and then picks up her fifth on a stupid frustration push. Almost as if she had folded her hand wanted out of the game, now. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 9:57:29 GMT -8
If the refs are allowing physical play then you have to play accordingly. BASKETBALL IS A PHYSICAL AND AGRESSIVE SPORT. Period. That's COMPLETE BS. Especially when it's NOT going to be the case that it's called EQUALLY ... BOTH ways. We've seen that time and time again. Touch fouls (or no fouls) and then a mugging on the other end. They need some decent quality refs instead of some of the inept crews they have now. That one complete flop by #35 was beyond an egregious call. You know as well as I do that the officials could call a rule-book foul on every single posession if they wanted to. All you can hope for is consistency where they draw the line. If the officials are allowing physical play and a lot of contact and we don’t adjust accordingly then shame on us - nobody to blame but ourselves. Foul total was USC 17, OSU 10, so we weren’t getting screwed on foul disparity. |
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Post by damnstraight on Feb 19, 2018 10:19:13 GMT -8
Bullying comes to mind when I see a USC WBB game.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 10:27:49 GMT -8
Bullying comes to mind when I see a USC WBB game. I’m old enough to remember Lisa Leslie breaking Tina Lelas’ nose with an intentional high elbow clear-out at Gill back in the 90’s. No technical was called. So this is nothing new. Thankfully our women, led by Marie G remain cool-headed in the heat of competition and refuse to play victim or be taken out of their game. It’s a good example, and not just for basketball. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 19, 2018 10:34:55 GMT -8
That's COMPLETE BS. Especially when it's NOT going to be the case that it's called EQUALLY ... BOTH ways. We've seen that time and time again. Touch fouls (or no fouls) and then a mugging on the other end. They need some decent quality refs instead of some of the inept crews they have now. That one complete flop by #35 was beyond an egregious call. You know as well as I do that the officials could call a rule-book foul on every single posession if they wanted to. All you can hope for is consistency where they draw the line. If the officials are allowing physical play and a lot of contact and we don’t adjust accordingly then shame on us - nobody to blame but ourselves. Foul total was USC 17, OSU 10, so we weren’t getting screwed on foul disparity. I think that word is key when it comes to officiating - "Consistency". And I believe that is what is lacking when it comes to Pac-12 refereeing. During the same game yesterday against USC, I was thinking: "wow, they sure are letting them play" "geez, what a bunch of thugs" "heck, that sure was ticky-tack" "what a flop!" "I thought complaining and demonstrating against a call like that would draw a T" "how did they miss that?" "they just called that at the other end!" That said, I am trying really hard to ignore things like the reffing - otherwise it gets harder for me to enjoy the game. I have enough issues in my own life that merit my energies, so I can't afford to get wrapped around the axle on something like Pac-12 refs. I have also learned in my old age to avoid issues that I have very little influence over, and Pac-12 refs definitely fit that category. Go Beavs! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 10:41:48 GMT -8
You know as well as I do that the officials could call a rule-book foul on every single posession if they wanted to. All you can hope for is consistency where they draw the line. If the officials are allowing physical play and a lot of contact and we don’t adjust accordingly then shame on us - nobody to blame but ourselves. Foul total was USC 17, OSU 10, so we weren’t getting screwed on foul disparity. They AREN'T consistent, though. And that's why your way is not a viable option. Using the foul totals to bolster your contention isn't a way of proving your point, either. WHO the fouls were being called on, more than the grand total number, is what matters. Pivec and Marie had how many out of that 10 total? Marie had 3 which is about average for her and Mik had 5. I can’t claim to have analyzed each one of Mik’s but one I remember for being a smart foul after a USC steal in the open court that prevented a SC breakaway. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 10:58:31 GMT -8
I always thought the rules of basketball forbid the grabbing, pushing, pulling, and hanging on to the opposing player.
Don't give me that " every play could have a foul" crap. Players would have to quickly adjust to following rules or they would foul out. It wasn't the fouls called as much as the ones not called.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 19, 2018 11:11:30 GMT -8
I always thought the rules of basketball forbid the grabbing, pushing, pulling, and hanging on to the opposing player. Don't give me that " every play could have a foul" crap. Players would have to quickly adjust to following rules or they would foul out. It wasn't the fouls called as much as the ones not called. Very well put point! Thank you ! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 11:26:19 GMT -8
I always thought the rules of basketball forbid the grabbing, pushing, pulling, and hanging on to the opposing player. Don't give me that " every play could have a foul" crap. Players would have to quickly adjust to following rules or they would foul out. It wasn't the fouls called as much as the ones not called. Very well put point! Thank you ! Is it possible OSU might have benefited from some of those “fouls not called” as USC? Or do we just never foul? Oh, that’s right, they’re “thugs” and we’re angels. C’mon. We’re #12 and they’re unranked. Let’s at least be gracious winners. |
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