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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 11:32:17 GMT -8
Of course we foul and yes at times we benefit from then not being called. But there is no way we fouled at the same rate that USC did.
Everytime someone disagrees with you you come up with some stupid blanket statement to supposedly make your point. This time you are just plain wrong.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 11:46:13 GMT -8
Of course we foul and yes at times we benefit from then not being called. But there is no way we fouled at the same rate that USC did. Everytime someone disagrees with you you come up with some stupid blanket statement to supposedly make your point. This time you are just plain wrong. I’ll follow Marie’s example and keep to the game plan. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me. Honest disagreement is healthy. Just can’t stomach the “blame the refs/victim mentality”. Thank goodness the team doesnt play that game. It’s a losing mentality. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 19, 2018 12:08:32 GMT -8
Take a look at the video from the UCLA game of Katie's shot to tie things up. Mik quite clearly used an illegal screen to free up Katie. Her feet were way beyond her shoulders and both players ended up on the floor. Two refs had a perfectly good view of the play and neither called it. On the video it's obvious.
I'm sure the next day the UCLA boards were buzzing with complaints about how that little thug from OSU got away with tackling their sweetheart. (Well, no, because no one in LA cares about UCLA WBB.) And they'd be right - the refs cost them that game.
I think we should vacate our win against UCLA in exchange for tacking another 10 points on our score against USC.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 16:30:36 GMT -8
Watching an acc game, Pitt vs Syracuse, their refs are calling a tight game (I've seen other similar games from other conferences). It doesn't take much contact to draw a whistle. The players know it and play accordingly.
The other game, duke vs Florida state, is the same
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 16:36:13 GMT -8
Watching an acc game, Pitt vs Syracuse, their refs are calling a tight game (I've seen other similar games from other conferences). It doesn't take much contact to draw a whistle. The players know it and play accordingly. Just rewatched the OSU USC replay on Pac-12 online. I don't think Simon played any more physical than Osahor used to play basically every game. Lots of Marie and Simon leaning on each other in the post. Nothing particularly unusual about that. Folks who think the game was some sort of officiating miscarriage are plainly mistaken. I just didn't see it in the first time through or in the replay. If some folks can't deal with that level of physical play then we should start watching volleyball or tennis. You know, those sports where the 2 teams are separated by net down the middle of the court. |
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Post by lefty on Feb 19, 2018 17:18:25 GMT -8
I hate refs, I hate umpires, linesman, judges...I don't care what they call themselves. Too often they decide the results of the contests. Some have super egos. Some have personal vindetas;
some are lazy; some are incompentent, but they are necessary evil and we have to live with it. However I strongly feel that schools (head coaches, ADs) should be permitted to not allow certain officials (say 2) from officiating their contests.I also feel they should be continuously evaluated and trained.
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Post by avidbeaver on Feb 19, 2018 17:35:27 GMT -8
Take a look at the video from the UCLA game of Katie's shot to tie things up. Mik quite clearly used an illegal screen to free up Katie. Her feet were way beyond her shoulders and both players ended up on the floor. Two refs had a perfectly good view of the play and neither called it. On the video it's obvious. I'm sure the next day the UCLA boards were buzzing with complaints about how that little thug from OSU got away with tackling their sweetheart. (Well, no, because no one in LA cares about UCLA WBB.) And they'd be right - the refs cost them that game. I think we should vacate our win against UCLA in exchange for tacking another 10 points on our score against USC. I think the reason the refs didn't call a foul on Mik was because the UCLA player leaned into and initiated contact. Granted Mik's leg was outside the shoulders but the UCLA player clearly was trying to cut off the gap between her and Katie and leaned into Mik. That and Mik turned toward Katie as the UCLA player was fighting through the screen. If Mik would have held her ground the call could have went against the Beavers. I think it was the right call not to blow the whistle. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 18:01:18 GMT -8
I hate refs, I hate umpires, linesman, judges...I don't care what they call themselves. Too often they decide the results of the contests. Some have super egos. Some have personal vindetas; some are lazy; some are incompentent, but they are necessary evil and we have to live with it. However I strongly feel that schools (head coaches, ADs) should be permitted to not allow certain officials (say 2) from officiating their contests.I also feel they should be continuously evaluated and trained. LOL. At least you're honest about it. How do you feel about golf course marshals and meter maids? |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 19, 2018 19:56:37 GMT -8
Rueck said after the Stanford game that his team did not react well to the physicality of the Stanford team, and that by that time in the season they should be used to it. After the USC game he had nothing but compliments for their play. I think the Stanford game was probably the roughest game I've seen in Gill and USC wasn't doing anything odd. Maybe more dramatic than Stanford, but USC does have a really good Drama dept.
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Post by albanianbeav on Feb 19, 2018 20:26:48 GMT -8
The level of physical play allowed in the Stanford, UCLA, and USC games ruins the game for me. I get having to match physicality to win games like that, and agree, you absolutely have to. My preference though, is a game officiated to the rules of the game. It really impacts the flow of the game when they allow the constant reach-ins and bodying. I prefer a freer flowing game where folks can show off their basketball skills. If I want to watch a rugby game, I’ll go to a rugby game.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2018 5:51:17 GMT -8
The level of physical play allowed in the Stanford, UCLA, and USC games ruins the game for me. I get having to match physicality to win games like that, and agree, you absolutely have to. My preference though, is a game officiated to the rules of the game. It really impacts the flow of the game when they allow the constant reach-ins and bodying. I prefer a freer flowing game where folks can show off their basketball skills. If I want to watch a rugby game, I’ll go to a rugby game. I agree 100%! Excellent observation. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 20, 2018 6:01:30 GMT -8
The level of physical play allowed in the Stanford, UCLA, and USC games ruins the game for me. I get having to match physicality to win games like that, and agree, you absolutely have to. My preference though, is a game officiated to the rules of the game. It really impacts the flow of the game when they allow the constant reach-ins and bodying. I prefer a freer flowing game where folks can show off their basketball skills. If I want to watch a rugby game, I’ll go to a rugby game. Rugby is very free-flowing. Much more so than basketball. |
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Post by woodchomp on Feb 20, 2018 12:45:18 GMT -8
I think I have finally learned that fans can like different styles of basketball. My preference is free-flowing to show skill and preparation. Others like the sheer will to fight and not back down. Our OSU team is much more skill oriented. More teamwork and very heady (for example, don't take risks for steals). SR also teaches his team that they have to leave their comfort zone and get as physical as the other team. I think motivating your team to be very physical is tough and I give credit to SR. I also love how tough OSU can be after making a mistake or getting blocked. The women hustle back and keep going.
Most teams cannot hang with our skill and teamwork. Their only hope is to take risks and hold onto the shooters, bully through screens more, push posting players early, slap at the ball, etc. It isn't disciplined play but sure shows heart (trying hard).
I think that refs like to give some credit for heart. They also don't want to be labeled as "ticky-tack". I'm convinced (a stupid hunch) that because our guards are so disciplined and don't reach much, that if they do reach now and then, they are more likely to get called for it. If they reach every possession, the ref has to think "I have to let some of these go or I'll get booed. That is where the inconsistency comes in, on all types of fouls.
The refs are very human and can accidentally get into an inconsistent situation. Call the game tight and USC fouls out several people. OSU doesn’t take many risks and hardly gets 5 fouls a quarter. USC fans will hate the refs because the USC team had heart and was picked on. SR sees the quandary and realizes that his main players have a pretty good chance of getting hurt. SR gets technicals this year because he must tell his team to fight back while their chances of injury are climbing and I imagine that he wouldn’t want to put his team in harm’s way. (I do realize that injury is always possible, just increased with lack of fouls.) SR cares for his team like a father and that is something that is very endearing and creates amazing team chemistry.
Weren’t the huskies just as tight and aggressive (last game)? I thought so. Our team shredded them with decisive passes and movement that didn’t allow the defense to catch up. I thought we had turned a corner on how to play overly aggressive teams. I guess I don’t know as much as I wish.
Sorry for being long winded.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 20, 2018 12:59:59 GMT -8
I think I have finally learned that fans can like different styles of basketball. My preference is free-flowing to show skill and preparation. Others like the sheer will to fight and not back down. Our OSU team is much more skill oriented. More teamwork and very heady (for example, don't take risks for steals). SR also teaches his team that they have to leave their comfort zone and get as physical as the other team. I think motivating your team to be very physical is tough and I give credit to SR. I also love how tough OSU can be after making a mistake or getting blocked. The women hustle back and keep going. Most teams cannot hang with our skill and teamwork. Their only hope is to take risks and hold onto the shooters, bully through screens more, push posting players early, slap at the ball, etc. It isn't disciplined play but sure shows heart (trying hard). I think that refs like to give some credit for heart. They also don't want to be labeled as "ticky-tack". I'm convinced (a stupid hunch) that because our guards are so disciplined and don't reach much, that if they do reach now and then, they are more likely to get called for it. If they reach every possession, the ref has to think "I have to let some of these go or I'll get booed. That is where the inconsistency comes in, on all types of fouls. The refs are very human and can accidentally get into an inconsistent situation. Call the game tight and USC fouls out several people. OSU doesn’t take many risks and hardly gets 5 fouls a quarter. USC fans will hate the refs because the USC team had heart and was picked on. SR sees the quandary and realizes that his main players have a pretty good chance of getting hurt. SR gets technicals this year because he must tell his team to fight back while their chances of injury are climbing and I imagine that he wouldn’t want to put his team in harm’s way. (I do realize that injury is always possible, just increased with lack of fouls.) SR cares for his team like a father and that is something that is very endearing and creates amazing team chemistry. Weren’t the huskies just as tight and aggressive (last game)? I thought so. Our team shredded them with decisive passes and movement that didn’t allow the defense to catch up. I thought we had turned a corner on how to play overly aggressive teams. I guess I don’t know as much as I wish. Sorry for being long winded. Welcome aboard Woodchomp! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 20, 2018 13:16:04 GMT -8
I think I have finally learned that fans can like different styles of basketball. My preference is free-flowing to show skill and preparation. Others like the sheer will to fight and not back down. Our OSU team is much more skill oriented. More teamwork and very heady (for example, don't take risks for steals). SR also teaches his team that they have to leave their comfort zone and get as physical as the other team. I think motivating your team to be very physical is tough and I give credit to SR. I also love how tough OSU can be after making a mistake or getting blocked. The women hustle back and keep going. Most teams cannot hang with our skill and teamwork. Their only hope is to take risks and hold onto the shooters, bully through screens more, push posting players early, slap at the ball, etc. It isn't disciplined play but sure shows heart (trying hard). I think that refs like to give some credit for heart. They also don't want to be labeled as "ticky-tack". I'm convinced (a stupid hunch) that because our guards are so disciplined and don't reach much, that if they do reach now and then, they are more likely to get called for it. If they reach every possession, the ref has to think "I have to let some of these go or I'll get booed. That is where the inconsistency comes in, on all types of fouls. The refs are very human and can accidentally get into an inconsistent situation. Call the game tight and USC fouls out several people. OSU doesn’t take many risks and hardly gets 5 fouls a quarter. USC fans will hate the refs because the USC team had heart and was picked on. SR sees the quandary and realizes that his main players have a pretty good chance of getting hurt. SR gets technicals this year because he must tell his team to fight back while their chances of injury are climbing and I imagine that he wouldn’t want to put his team in harm’s way. (I do realize that injury is always possible, just increased with lack of fouls.) SR cares for his team like a father and that is something that is very endearing and creates amazing team chemistry. Weren’t the huskies just as tight and aggressive (last game)? I thought so. Our team shredded them with decisive passes and movement that didn’t allow the defense to catch up. I thought we had turned a corner on how to play overly aggressive teams. I guess I don’t know as much as I wish. Sorry for being long winded. Washington (1-15 in conference) is just not very good. |
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