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Post by bennyorange on Feb 9, 2018 7:43:27 GMT -8
In my opinion Risser SAVED OSU football from eventual demise whereas McVicar (aka the jellyfish) nearly buried it single handedly.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 9, 2018 9:10:44 GMT -8
My dad worked at OSU for eighteen years. When he started in 1970, the Kerr Administration building was a Quonset hut. Anyway... the level of contempt for McVicar was very tangible during his regime. Not only from those that supported athletics.
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Post by dreambeavr on Feb 9, 2018 11:36:05 GMT -8
Well what can be said about Robert McVicar.. being a student in the early 70's, I say Lebaneaver comment is spot on. Not to speak ill of the deceased but, the guy was a putz.
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Post by jefframp on Feb 9, 2018 12:23:35 GMT -8
Well what can be said about Robert McVicar.. being a student in the early 70's, I say Lebaneaver comment is spot on. Not to speak ill of the deceased but, the guy was a putz. I understand the negatives about Robert MacVicar (OSU president from 1970 to 1984) but what about John Byrne who was president from 1984 to 1995? BTW, someone mentioned Dutch Baughman in the same sentence with MacVicar but Dutch was A.D. from 1990 to 1997 which coincides with Byrne's tenure. Thank god for Paul Risser and his attractive wife Les.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Feb 10, 2018 18:25:29 GMT -8
Have definite questions about Wayne... yes. Thing is.... we have cycled through so many coaches since Ralph. At what point do you say stop.... let the current coach build something ? .... it took Casey years to build the baseball program to what it is now. I know basketball is different. It’s supposed to be a revenue sport. But if we show Wayne the door.... who you going to get ? A good number of coaches have turned us down the last couple go arounds..... maybe Barnes could pull a rabbit out of the hat with a great hire.... or not. His hire at Pitt from Vandy isn’t exactly tearing it up......
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Post by giantkillers83 on Feb 10, 2018 19:14:16 GMT -8
A lot of people my age (class of '85) remember their alma mater as a second rate school that happened to have a few pockets of excellence. Forestry, agriculture, basketball - those were first class. But football was a disaster, baseball hardly better than a club sport, and the school as a whole was mired in mediocrity and self-pity. A walk around campus took you past multiple buildings that were fully or partially condemned - the rhodies were beautiful but the bricks and mortar was run-down. Nothing positive ever seemed to happen. There was serious talk about moving the entire engineering department to Portland State! Robert MacVicar had no ambitions for our school and blamed everything on the lack of legislative support. Then came Paul Risser, and everything changed. He actually expected excellence, well, everywhere, and he didn't care for the old excuses. And Ed Ray followed, and kept it going. The campus today is nothing like it was, the programs are far more competitive, and the closer you look, the more the differences are apparent. But here's the thing. We all left our alma mater and most of us don't come back much. Even if we catch a game at Gill or Reser now and then, most of us haven't really absorbed what's happened since we left. Most of us still act as though MacVicar is the Pres and the legendary AD Dutch Baughman still runs the sports. A lot of my old classmates talk down OSU. Just this weekend, I had a dorm-mate ask where his kid should go for Computer Science . . . OSU isn't even on his radar! Another dorm-mate got his MS in CS back then - he didn't even attempt to plug OSU to our mutual friend. I'd love to see a survey of attitudes broken down by age. My bet is that there is a powerful generational thing at work here. And my generation is living in the past - a very sad past. Baseball compared to a club sport??? Not sure what you were doing or paying attention to, but you're about 180 degrees off on that observation. I was also in the class of '85, though I strategically strung it out to 86 without much problem. The engineering school was great. A swing and a miss there. As far as OSU's infrastructure you refer to, it was a huge, impressive complex to this kid from small town Idaho. Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. Thankfully we eliminated T&F ......because the alternative was eliminating baseball. how many NC’s would T&F win
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