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Post by damnstraight on Feb 3, 2018 23:33:12 GMT -8
I would have to think the burner under WT has been ignited by now. I see a team going through the motions, but not playing hard, certainly not hard enough to win in the Pac-12. I fail to see any offensive identity other than passing around the perimeter looking for a "three" or creating a turnover. Defense? Not a priority either. I agree we have very few Pac-12 players on the roster, and the pipeline of future recruits looks bleak as well. The lack of butts in the seats and an apathetic fanbase are serious indicators that changes may have to be made. I hope I am wrong, but the lack of progress seems too glaring to be ignored. My guess is WT gets one more year to turn this ship around.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 4, 2018 0:00:54 GMT -8
The apathetic fan base has a damn good reason to be. Apathetic hiring, funding, recruiting, adapting, changing.... its been ahelluva long, mostly bleak haul since we had stability regarding the hoops program. Old farts like me have given up any hope that any serious change will happen in the next thirty. No vision, no urgency, no give-a-s%#t. Maybe it simply isn’t possible for OSU to have success in more than a couple programs at a time..?..Not enough money, fans, give-a-s%#t. Hell, it’s never happened, even though we certainly expect it. Who do we think we are? Notre friggin Dame?
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Post by maximumbeaver on Feb 4, 2018 9:21:59 GMT -8
The apathetic fan base has a damn good reason to be. Apathetic hiring, funding, recruiting, adapting, changing.... its been ahelluva long, mostly bleak haul since we had stability regarding the hoops program. Old farts like me have given up any hope that any serious change will happen in the next thirty. No vision, no urgency, no give-a-s%#t. Maybe it simply isn’t possible for OSU to have success in more than a couple programs at a time..?..Not enough money, fans, give-a-s%#t. Hell, it’s never happened, even though we certainly expect it. Who do we think we are? Notre friggin Dame? OSU has got to be one of the worst P5 athletic programs in the country. Times have changed and OSU does not belong in the PAC 12. We belong in the Mountain West or maybe even in the Big Sky.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 4, 2018 20:00:49 GMT -8
Fan apathy is earned, not the fans' fault.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 4, 2018 20:20:08 GMT -8
OSU has got to be one of the worst P5 athletic programs in the country. Times have changed and OSU does not belong in the PAC 12. We belong in the Mountain West or maybe even in the Big Sky. There are six major sports in the Pac-12 (FB, MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball). We won Pac-12 outright championships in baseball and WBB in 2016-17. We played in the College World Series. We advanced to the Sweet 16 in WBB, one year after making the Final Four. We went to NCAAs in softball. In those same sports this year, we will win the Pac-12 in baseball, and have an excellent chance of advancing to the CWS again. We have/will play in the NCAAs in volleyball, softball and WBB. Our gymnastics program is a consistent NCAA Final 12 program. This might be the most ridiculous post I've read this year.
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Post by usmc1958 on Feb 4, 2018 23:37:13 GMT -8
OSU has got to be one of the worst P5 athletic programs in the country. Times have changed and OSU does not belong in the PAC 12. We belong in the Mountain West or maybe even in the Big Sky. There are six major sports in the Pac-12 (FB, MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball). We won Pac-12 outright championships in baseball and WBB in 2016-17. We played in the College World Series. We advanced to the Sweet 16 in WBB, one year after making the Final Four. We went to NCAAs in softball. In those same sports this year, we will win the Pac-12 in baseball, and have an excellent chance of advancing to the CWS again. We have/will play in the NCAAs in volleyball, softball and WBB. Our gymnastics program is a consistent NCAA Final 12 program. This might be the most ridiculous post I've read this year. Which one of these six successful major sports programs you speak of brings in enough cash to support the entire Athletic Department? There is not one that even supports itself. Now that's ridiculous.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 4, 2018 23:47:48 GMT -8
Football is king....men’s hoops a distant 2nd. Just the facts, ma’am.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 5, 2018 1:12:34 GMT -8
and as we live in the shadow of that gargantuan dollar sign casting from the south, I think we are doing pretty good. Competitively speaking.
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Post by bill82 on Feb 5, 2018 1:28:30 GMT -8
The apathetic fan base has a damn good reason to be. Apathetic hiring, funding, recruiting, adapting, changing.... its been ahelluva long, mostly bleak haul since we had stability regarding the hoops program. Old farts like me have given up any hope that any serious change will happen in the next thirty. No vision, no urgency, no give-a-s%#t. Maybe it simply isn’t possible for OSU to have success in more than a couple programs at a time..?..Not enough money, fans, give-a-s%#t. Hell, it’s never happened, even though we certainly expect it. Who do we think we are? Notre friggin Dame? OSU has got to be one of the worst P5 athletic programs in the country. Times have changed and OSU does not belong in the PAC 12. We belong in the Mountain West or maybe even in the Big Sky. If you are speaking of men's basketball and football I would agree we are in the company of the worst. But looking across all programs we are certainly not. The Pac 8-10-12 Exit (Paxit?) discussion always pops up after we have a few down years in football. Since we stayed in the Pac during the 28 year drought I doubt a Paxit will ever be a serious consideration.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 5, 2018 1:49:43 GMT -8
Which one of these six successful major sports programs you speak of brings in enough cash to support the entire Athletic Department? There is not one that even supports itself. Now that's ridiculous. Except for maybe Alabama, no school in the country has a football program that pays for the entire athletic department. So we are in good company. But football at OSU remains a money-maker. We need to get our attendance back in the 40,000+ range, no doubt. But even if we sell out every game it will not be enough to support the entire department, at OSU or anywhere else in the Pac-12. And leaving the Pac-12 for the Mt. West, as was suggested, would decrease our TV revenue by about 90 percent. So, yes, leaving the Pac-12 remains the dumbest thing suggested here all year.
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Post by orangeblood on Feb 5, 2018 4:19:01 GMT -8
Leaving the Pac-12 would not only reduce the amount of TV revenue, but would also change the quality of athlete that we are able to recruit. The top tier athletes will still want to go towards the P5 schools. By no means could we dominate the Mountain West because our average athlete would no longer be of the same caliber as it is now.
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Post by billsaab on Feb 5, 2018 6:36:32 GMT -8
What I see is a couple problems. The first is an administration that must deal with an aging building in the 21st Century. It is time to build. I doubt they will do that. The second problem is attracting top athletes not being coaches Son's. Since we are not committed,where our Rivals in Seattle and eugene are...... So regarding a Coach I doubt we will do anything ecause unless we spend a lot we'll not get this fixed. It is almost unwatchable.
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Post by damnstraight on Feb 5, 2018 8:17:51 GMT -8
Unfortunately for OSU, our two least successful sports are the engines that drive the entire athletic department with football being King. I agree, fan apathy is earned, and is not the fans fault. I wonder what Scott Barnes and Ed Ray think when they attend a WBB game on a Friday night and see 8000+ fans in Gill, and then the next night go to a MBB game and see only 5300 approximately? That has to also make WT a little nervous I would think.
To me, I see only 2 solutions to the Basketball problem, and neither one includes exiting the Pac 12 for the MWC, which would be disasterous. Either we do what Washington and California did and renovate Gill, bring it up to Pac-12 standards or, we go find an established coach and begin paying him in $2 -$2.5 million dollar range. We can renovate and begin attracting 4 star players with facilities. Washington spent $40 million on its renovation of Hec Edmundson and Cal spent $57 million on Haas Pavillion to bring both buildings into the modern era. Gill desperately needs a $40 to $50 million dollar renovation.
The other solution I see is to bring in a winning coach, pay him in the $2- $2.5 million dollar range and then sit back and see if we have choosen wisely. If anyone watched the Washington-Arizona game in Seattle Saturday night, you have to be amazed at the atmosphere and appearance the Washington fanbase displayed. I have never seen anything like that in Hec Ed. It only proved to me what is possible for OSU with proper vision and planning. Just my honest opinion.
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 5, 2018 9:25:17 GMT -8
Or we could do what WSU did in football. Spend millions to bring in a winning coach, spend millions more upgrading the stadium, get to multiple consecutive bowl games . . .
. . . and watch revenues stay exactly flat.
Chasing the next "hot" coach is a recipe for frustration - let's talk after WT's first recruiting class has had its full run. Upgrades to Gill are already in the works - let's talk when we know what is already on the table.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 5, 2018 9:50:57 GMT -8
The apathetic fan base has a damn good reason to be. Apathetic hiring, funding, recruiting, adapting, changing.... its been ahelluva long, mostly bleak haul since we had stability regarding the hoops program. Old farts like me have given up any hope that any serious change will happen in the next thirty. No vision, no urgency, no give-a-s%#t. Maybe it simply isn’t possible for OSU to have success in more than a couple programs at a time..?..Not enough money, fans, give-a-s%#t. Hell, it’s never happened, even though we certainly expect it. Who do we think we are? Notre friggin Dame? OSU has got to be one of the worst P5 athletic programs in the country. Times have changed and OSU does not belong in the PAC 12. We belong in the Mountain West or maybe even in the Big Sky. Doing this would basically destroy the athletic department. We'd lose TV revenues, we'd win more league games for a few years, but maybe 18-24K fans would show up regularly to watch them so the department's ticket income would take a dive. As soon as we drop out of the power 5 you can kiss getting a class of 3 star or better recruits goodbye. In just a few years we could be desperate to stay at the top of the Mountain West or even the Big Sky, then we'd be lucky to even get 18-24K fans showing up. Bad idea. As far as "times have changed" goes, they haven't... this idea was floated around in the 70's, 80's and 90's by fans that had basically given up on the program, just like now.
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