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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 30, 2018 7:47:14 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 30, 2018 7:48:10 GMT -8
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Post by biggieorange on Jan 30, 2018 9:57:42 GMT -8
I predicted he would get the invite.
I think whether he gets drafted or not will be if he runs in the 4.6 range and can catch the ball well. Most in the NFL will look at him to be the big back/situational and ST player.
THey might ask him to be somewhat of a HBack, but he has to catch the ball and show off a well rounded game.
Unfortunately with the coaching and system of the last "staff" I really doubt he has shown the game film or coaching that supports this. A staff will really have to like him as a "project".
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 30, 2018 11:04:21 GMT -8
I predicted he would get the invite. I think whether he gets drafted or not will be if he runs in the 4.6 range and can catch the ball well. Most in the NFL will look at him to be the big back/situational and ST player. THey might ask him to be somewhat of a HBack, but he has to catch the ball and show off a well rounded game. Unfortunately with the coaching and system of the last "staff" I really doubt he has shown the game film or coaching that supports this. A staff will really have to like him as a "project". Seems to me, Nall has been a pretty decent receiver out of the backfield - I can't recall being particularly impressed with his pass protection (but I can't recall being unimpressed, either). I suspect he will put up an impressive 40 time for his size, which will earn him a late draft pick. Most RBs these days are late draft picks.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 30, 2018 11:31:26 GMT -8
I predicted he would get the invite. I think whether he gets drafted or not will be if he runs in the 4.6 range and can catch the ball well. Most in the NFL will look at him to be the big back/situational and ST player. THey might ask him to be somewhat of a HBack, but he has to catch the ball and show off a well rounded game. Unfortunately with the coaching and system of the last "staff" I really doubt he has shown the game film or coaching that supports this. A staff will really have to like him as a "project". Seems to me, Nall has been a pretty decent receiver out of the backfield - I can't recall being particularly impressed with his pass protection (but I can't recoall being unimpressed, either). I suspect he will put up an impressive 40 time for his size, which will earn him a late draft pick. Most RBs these days are late draft picks. I concur with people’s thoughts on Ryan. The more I think about it, the more I could see him be a real surprise to GMs, get selected in Day 3 and stick in the league for 5-10 years. Ryan has nice hands, surprising open-field speed and is a load. The pass-blocking needs work, but I think that it would have been tough for anyone to really excel in every area the past couple of seasons. With a good system and coaching Ryan would have probably still left after this season, but he would have done it with a lot more recognition for his considerable skills. I don’t think that it’s reaching to believe that he could have run for 3,500 yards and 45 TDs in 3 years had he played for coaches who had a stinking clue. The only thing that may have stopped him from producing is the durability issue. For a guy as big and strong as he is, he sure was nicked up and missed a lot of action. I’m not sure if the durability question stems more from taking way more hits than usual due to poor blocking, a personal tendency to get injured easily, or both (I tend to think more of the former, but maybe some of the latter). In reality, durability may be the x-factor that determines whether he gets to and stays in the league. He certainly has the physical ability and a great head on him. Those factors give him a puncher’s chance. I’ll sure be pulling for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 12:49:36 GMT -8
moronic write-up. Could not read it. This kid should give up the journalism game.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 30, 2018 13:03:30 GMT -8
Seems to me, Nall has been a pretty decent receiver out of the backfield - I can't recall being particularly impressed with his pass protection (but I can't recoall being unimpressed, either). I suspect he will put up an impressive 40 time for his size, which will earn him a late draft pick. Most RBs these days are late draft picks. I concur with people’s thoughts on Ryan. The more I think about it, the more I could see him be a real surprise to GMs, get selected in Day 3 and stick in the league for 5-10 years. Ryan has nice hands, surprising open-field speed and is a load. The pass-blocking needs work, but I think that it would have been tough for anyone to really excel in every area the past couple of seasons. With a good system and coaching Ryan would have probably still left after this season, but he would have done it with a lot more recognition for his considerable skills. I don’t think that it’s reaching to believe that he could have run for 3,500 yards and 45 TDs in 3 years had he played for coaches who had a stinking clue. The only thing that may have stopped him from producing is the durability issue. For a guy as big and strong as he is, he sure was nicked up and missed a lot of action. I’m not sure if the durability question stems more from taking way more hits than usual due to poor blocking, a personal tendency to get injured easily, or both (I tend to think more of the former, but maybe some of the latter). In reality, durability may be the x-factor that determines whether he gets to and stays in the league. He certainly has the physical ability and a great head on him. Those factors give him a puncher’s chance. I’ll sure be pulling for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that a good half of the time Nall missed due to injury was made up, or overstated. Andersen probably didn't like the way Nall looked at him one day and decided to bench him for a half, then lie his ass of to the media that Nall was dinged up and couldn't play in the first half, but magically could play in the second half... he just needed time to do the things he needed to do to get ready to play... which was probably write a 1,000 word essay on why Coach Andersen is the best coach in the world and why Nall was a poopy head.
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Post by obf on Jan 31, 2018 8:03:43 GMT -8
I concur with people’s thoughts on Ryan. The more I think about it, the more I could see him be a real surprise to GMs, get selected in Day 3 and stick in the league for 5-10 years. Ryan has nice hands, surprising open-field speed and is a load. The pass-blocking needs work, but I think that it would have been tough for anyone to really excel in every area the past couple of seasons. With a good system and coaching Ryan would have probably still left after this season, but he would have done it with a lot more recognition for his considerable skills. I don’t think that it’s reaching to believe that he could have run for 3,500 yards and 45 TDs in 3 years had he played for coaches who had a stinking clue. The only thing that may have stopped him from producing is the durability issue. For a guy as big and strong as he is, he sure was nicked up and missed a lot of action. I’m not sure if the durability question stems more from taking way more hits than usual due to poor blocking, a personal tendency to get injured easily, or both (I tend to think more of the former, but maybe some of the latter). In reality, durability may be the x-factor that determines whether he gets to and stays in the league. He certainly has the physical ability and a great head on him. Those factors give him a puncher’s chance. I’ll sure be pulling for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that a good half of the time Nall missed due to injury was made up, or overstated. Andersen probably didn't like the way Nall looked at him one day and decided to bench him for a half, then lie his ass of to the media that Nall was dinged up and couldn't play in the first half, but magically could play in the second half... he just needed time to do the things he needed to do to get ready to play... which was probably write a 1,000 word essay on why Coach Andersen is the best coach in the world and why Nall was a poopy head. As much as I can't stand QA and my blood boils when I think about the waste that was the last three years, and the waste of talent, etc. I would say this street goes both ways... Absolutely, QA benched guys for inane reasons and then claimed "Injury or illness", which we quickly learned to take with massive grains of salt... However Nall in particular seemed like he started pulling back, and investing less the last year especially, not that I could really blame him, but there were multiple times last year and even the year before where I saw him take himself out of the game or tell the media himself he was injured and it was unclear when during the play/game he got injured and seeing him in practice or around campus he didn't appear very restricted... One of the reasons I held very little hope in him returning for his senior year was it seemed apparent to me that he was holding back a little bit / treat himself with kid gloves to keep in tip top shape for the NFL. Again, I don't blame him for that at all... 1-11 season it would be dumb for him to push through a slight ankle tweak... I said ALL of that to say.... between QA's mystery bench and Nall's carefulness I think his "durability" or "fragility" issues are HIGHLY overstated... Nall's biggest NFL hurdle is that RBs are a dime a dozen in the League... If Nall really wants to stick he should concentrate on becoming a dominant TE / HB ala a Travis Kelce type (Who I believe works out of the backfield some as well). He could bring a neat twist that instead of always running routes or blocking he could take the occasional hand off...
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Post by seastape on Jan 31, 2018 8:17:24 GMT -8
Questions to people on the board:
How many men in the NFL make the transition from a position in college to a new one in the NFL? It seems to me that if I was an NFL GM and wanted a TE, I would draft a TE, not a big running back and hope to convert him.
Do players often make a transition like that?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 31, 2018 8:53:07 GMT -8
Questions to people on the board:
How many men in the NFL make the transition from a position in college to a new one in the NFL? It seems to me that if I was an NFL GM and wanted a TE, I would draft a TE, not a big running back and hope to convert him.
Do players often make a transition like that? Not a lot or players have done it, but you do have several college dual-threat QB's that have converted to WR in the NFL.
Terrell Pryor, Braxton Miller, Julian Edelman, Brad Smith ...etc
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Post by calder on Jan 31, 2018 9:13:39 GMT -8
Questions to people on the board:
How many men in the NFL make the transition from a position in college to a new one in the NFL? It seems to me that if I was an NFL GM and wanted a TE, I would draft a TE, not a big running back and hope to convert him.
Do players often make a transition like that? It does happen but I certainly wouldn't call it often. There have been several college QBs who transitioned to WR at the NFL level. (Julian Edelman, Antwaan Randle, Terrelle Pryor, Joshua Cribbs, etc) Brian Urlacker was arguably at Safety at New Mexico in a 3-3-5 scheme before converting to linebacker for the Bears. I couldn't even list all of the corners who have switched to safety. The line between a TE, H-back, and Fullback seems to get fuzzier all the time but there have been players who have switched between the 3 which would bode well for Nall.
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Post by dreambeavr on Jan 31, 2018 12:42:42 GMT -8
Using the way back machine, Ryan reminds me a lot of Todd Christensen...of BYU and Oakland Raider Fame. Ryan is the same size but seems to be a little faster version. Christensen was a bull and tough to drop as I remember. I hope Nall gets on with a club that will utilize his talents. Stay healthy big guy!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 31, 2018 14:04:22 GMT -8
Questions to people on the board:
How many men in the NFL make the transition from a position in college to a new one in the NFL? It seems to me that if I was an NFL GM and wanted a TE, I would draft a TE, not a big running back and hope to convert him.
Do players often make a transition like that? See Poyer, Jordan. Poyer was an All-American corner and drafted by Chip Kelly to play corner. Kelly cut Poyer, but Cleveland picked him up and played him as a specialist. The Browns moved Poyer from CB to SS before settling on playing him at FS. Poyer was the Browns' starting FS in 2016 before his kidney was lacerated on an illegal peel back block by Antonio Andrews on a punt return. The Bills signed him in the off-season and Poyer started 15 games for the Bills this year. See also Barnett, Nick. Barnett was an SLB in Erickson's 4-3. A lot of teams were looking to make Barnett a safety. Barnett responded by putting on weight to make himself more desirable as a LB. Green Bay drafted Barnett in the first round as an ILB. Over the next seven seasons, Barnett started all but nine games with seven coming in 2008. Barnett led the NFL in tackles in 2005 and was All-Pro in 2007. In 2011, the defending Super Bowl Champion Packers cut Barnett (with the second-most tackles ever for a Packer, now third behind A.J. Hawk) and he was signed by the Bills. (The Packers have not been back to a Super Bowl.) After one year, the defensive coordinator was fired and Dave Wannstedt was hired. Wannstedt switched the defense from a 3-4 to 4-3 and moved Barnett to OLB. The Redskins signed Barnett in the off-season and primarily played him at ILB in a 3-4. Barnett's career ended unceremoniously with an MCL sprain against the Cowboys in 2013.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 31, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -8
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Post by markwbeaver on Jan 31, 2018 16:09:21 GMT -8
There's a specific version of this change of position category with college basketball players who become NFL tight ends, sometimes to spectacular effect. Antonio Gates is probably exhibit A. But this also includes Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas, who played basketball at Portland State. I think some may have played a year or two of college football. There are others besides these three.
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