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Post by skyrider on Nov 12, 2017 7:44:20 GMT -8
Would the Wisconsin "model" fit for the Oregon State Beaver football program?
Their program for years and years appears to be based on recruiting and coaching up the best possible linemen. Wisconsin (like OSU) is unlikely to obtain the quality and numbers of top rated receivers, quarterbacks, etc.
However by emphasizing blocking, tackling, aggressive defense and a punishing running game they have been able to have consistently good teams year after year.
Who would be a good head coach selection if OSU wanted to go down this path? How would OSU maintain this type of consistency when one head coach leaves and another arrives. This consistency seems to be a huge part of Wisconsin's success. Case in point, they were able to survive Madman Gary Andersen!
I look forward to hearing comments from the Beaver fans. Thank you!
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Post by iluvfitness on Nov 12, 2017 7:55:40 GMT -8
I totally agree with this. Seems like our best years are when we had a good line.
I remember when we had a stud Stephen Jackson (his last year if I remember correctly) in the backfield and he had to fight for everything he got because our line was horrible. Things would have been so much easier if we just recruited quality lineman.
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Post by skyrider on Nov 12, 2017 8:10:25 GMT -8
Thanks for your response. Good points.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 12, 2017 8:36:31 GMT -8
Quizz had a bad line his last year as well. Lineman for the win!
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Post by seastape on Nov 12, 2017 10:03:58 GMT -8
I've always believed two maxims of college football:
1) Football begins and ends in the trenches and
2) The best defense is a good offense.
Combine the two, and you get the solution for a good team: a good (great, if you can) offensive line. A great offensive line makes everything better. More time to throw. Better lanes to run, bigger holes. More time to keep your defense off the field.
That is why, when the guy from Utah said we had too many OL, I got nervous...real nervous.
So, in answer to your question: yes, better lines should be a focus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 10:12:03 GMT -8
Yes, this would make sense. I means a commitment to a OL focused walk on program. That is what makes it work at Wisconsin.
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Post by shelby on Nov 12, 2017 10:13:00 GMT -8
Seems like we have ALWAYS gone after projects rather then experienced talent. I would be all in on some immediate JC help with a strong development group behind it. Probably 'imagining' 3 deep is impractical, but at least two deep in terms of having some second teamers that have the skill and experience ( and success), of shifting positions on the line. i want a bunch of Bill Swancutt's on both sides of the ball ... now that guy had an edge.
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 12, 2017 10:48:45 GMT -8
Would the Wisconsin "model" fit for the Oregon State Beaver football program?
Their program for years and years appears to be based on recruiting and coaching up the best possible linemen. Wisconsin (like OSU) is unlikely to obtain the quality and numbers of top rated receivers, quarterbacks, etc.
However by emphasizing blocking, tackling, aggressive defense and a punishing running game they have been able to have consistently good teams year after year.
Who would be a good head coach selection if OSU wanted to go down this path? How would OSU maintain this type of consistency when one head coach leaves and another arrives. This consistency seems to be a huge part of Wisconsin's success. Case in point, they were able to survive Madman Gary Andersen!
I look forward to hearing comments from the Beaver fans. Thank you! In other words, we should do exactly what Stanford does? Recruit 4-5 star O-linemen and commit to running the ball. Wisconsin has an abundance if huge underrated O-linemen in state. We don't. Stanford has always been able to attract 4-5 star talent from all over the country. We haven't. Other than that I like your plan, now just figure out how to get them here and you'll be on to something.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 12, 2017 11:27:35 GMT -8
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Post by beaver55to7 on Nov 12, 2017 11:42:52 GMT -8
Would the Wisconsin "model" fit for the Oregon State Beaver football program?
Their program for years and years appears to be based on recruiting and coaching up the best possible linemen. Wisconsin (like OSU) is unlikely to obtain the quality and numbers of top rated receivers, quarterbacks, etc.
However by emphasizing blocking, tackling, aggressive defense and a punishing running game they have been able to have consistently good teams year after year.
Who would be a good head coach selection if OSU wanted to go down this path? How would OSU maintain this type of consistency when one head coach leaves and another arrives. This consistency seems to be a huge part of Wisconsin's success. Case in point, they were able to survive Madman Gary Andersen!
I look forward to hearing comments from the Beaver fans. Thank you! Why Wisconsin, go for broke man, The Alabama model is where it is at. Think man, think!
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Post by EOBeav on Nov 12, 2017 11:58:02 GMT -8
Whatever model you want to refer to, OSU's best years were when we had a Lunchpail U. mentality. I think getting back to that is our best hope to getting back to the promised land and kicking 0's ass on a regular basis.
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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 12, 2017 12:04:53 GMT -8
What we need is a good coach and staff that can make it happen. DUH, I know. What Barry Alvarez did at Madtown was incredible. What Bill Snyder is doing at Kansas State is crazy good to me. What Mike Riley did at Oregon State was solid. We need a good coach. We will not get the top tier O-lineman Stanford and SC will sign, but, we should be getting the P5 recruit that can develop into a stud by his RS 3rd year.
I know it's easier said than done. We whiffed (big time) with CGA.
I just cannot believe the team is THAT bad. They were P5 recruits. They have talent (sans DG).
I really don't know what's up with this team. Pretty bad. This has to be CGA's doing. So, we need a good coach who'll un-F this team.
I am very anxious to see who the next Beavs HC will be.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 12, 2017 12:26:30 GMT -8
Would the Wisconsin "model" fit for the Oregon State Beaver football program?
Their program for years and years appears to be based on recruiting and coaching up the best possible linemen. Wisconsin (like OSU) is unlikely to obtain the quality and numbers of top rated receivers, quarterbacks, etc.
However by emphasizing blocking, tackling, aggressive defense and a punishing running game they have been able to have consistently good teams year after year.
Who would be a good head coach selection if OSU wanted to go down this path? How would OSU maintain this type of consistency when one head coach leaves and another arrives. This consistency seems to be a huge part of Wisconsin's success. Case in point, they were able to survive Madman Gary Andersen!
I look forward to hearing comments from the Beaver fans. Thank you! In other words, we should do exactly what Stanford does? Recruit 4-5 star O-linemen and commit to running the ball. Wisconsin has an abundance if huge underrated O-linemen in state. We don't. Stanford has always been able to attract 4-5 star talent from all over the country. We haven't. Other than that I like your plan, now just figure out how to get them here and you'll be on to something.
A friend of mine grew up in Wiskonsin, he's a normal looking guy. Said when he was in HS he weighed 300 lbs, which was fairly normal for that area.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 12, 2017 12:39:20 GMT -8
Quizz had a bad line his last year as well. Lineman for the win!
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He had a young OL in 2010. Starters Mike Remmers, Alex Linnenkohl and Gavin Andrews all played/are playing in the NFL. Colin Kelly played in the CFL and had several NFL tryouts. Michael Phillip was highly recruited but never reached his potential.
Wisconsin has one FCS team in the entire state with a population that's nearly 2,000,000 larger than Oregon. I think that makes it easier to attract in-state talent, both at the scholarship and walk-on level.
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Post by seastape on Nov 12, 2017 12:42:59 GMT -8
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