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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2017 20:33:44 GMT -8
Anyway, who gives 2 damns about what protocol they may or may not be following. Hire a great coach! I could care less how you do it. Just do it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:37:02 GMT -8
Let's assume this is true. It's not that hard, even in this day and age, for Barnes to arrange a private meeting with a prospective coach at their home or other private location such as a borrowed office space arranged by the search firm. It's a public job, but not too many of them pay millions a year. If it is true, I hope it's Kiffin out of all the prospects I can think of down in Florida...He'd bring some swag to Corvallis for sure. I know he wants the UF job (made some sort of tweet about it), but I think UF is going all-in on Frost. Paper trail if he flew on OSU's dime without a job related reason. Again, I don't really care and frankly think such a law is dumb in a case like this but I just don't see why you'd need to have such a meeting before November 20th. You won't be hiring till after Civil War. I have no doubt Barnes is in Florida, I just don't buy that it has anything to do with this job. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2017 20:38:30 GMT -8
Let's assume this is true. It's not that hard, even in this day and age, for Barnes to arrange a private meeting with a prospective coach at their home or other private location such as a borrowed office space arranged by the search firm. It's a public job, but not too many of them pay millions a year. If it is true, I hope it's Kiffin out of all the prospects I can think of down in Florida...He'd bring some swag to Corvallis for sure. I know he wants the UF job (made some sort of tweet about it), but I think UF is going all-in on Frost. Paper trail if he flew on OSU's dime without a job related reason. Again, I don't really care and frankly think such a law is dumb in a case like this but I just don't see why you'd need to have such a meeting before November 20th. You won't be hiring till after Civil War. I have no doubt Barnes is in Florida, I just don't buy that it has anything to do with this job. They don't fly coach on Delta bud. They take boosters private planes. C'mon let's catch up here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:40:15 GMT -8
Paper trail if he flew on OSU's dime without a job related reason. Again, I don't really care and frankly think such a law is dumb in a case like this but I just don't see why you'd need to have such a meeting before November 20th. You won't be hiring till after Civil War. I have no doubt Barnes is in Florida, I just don't buy that it has anything to do with this job. They don't fly coach on Delta bud. They take boosters private planes. C'mon let's catch up here. Fair point. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2017 20:44:24 GMT -8
They don't fly coach on Delta bud. They take boosters private planes. C'mon let's catch up here. Fair point. Look, you may have totally valid points, I'm private sector so I do what I want. But my opinion is that if you think for a minute that any D1 team is worried about following hiring guidelines you are very mistaken. Just my opinion, but I'm very confident I'm right. No hard feelings intended. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:51:26 GMT -8
Look, you may have totally valid points, I'm private sector so I do what I want. But my opinion is that if you think for a minute that any D1 team is worried about following hiring guidelines you are very mistaken. Just my opinion, but I'm very confident I'm right. No hard feelings intended. Never said they are worried about it. I just don't think they'd be obvious about it. And flying to Florida 11 days before the job closes is pretty damn obvious. That is why you hire the search firm. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2017 20:53:27 GMT -8
Never mind. Out!
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Post by beaver1400 on Nov 9, 2017 21:07:29 GMT -8
Look, you may have totally valid points, I'm private sector so I do what I want. But my opinion is that if you think for a minute that any D1 team is worried about following hiring guidelines you are very mistaken. Just my opinion, but I'm very confident I'm right. No hard feelings intended. Administrative law is an actual, honest to god thing, and the university would certainly expect the AD to follow it. The question is does the state have a law, or the university a codified policy, that forbids university employees from discussing interviewing or discussing the position with an official applicant. Let's assume it's Kiffen. If Kiffen isn't officially an applicant and Barnes just happens to be in Florida, two dudes are perfectly welcome to have a beer on somebody's deck and discuss work. If one of those dude's happens to be looking for head football coach and the other happens to be a head football coach nobody is breaking any laws - so all of you are right. Important - i'm no lawyer, but I do have an Masters in Public Administration. This is way outside of my expertise so consider it an educated guess. Also: I can't believe my first post in years is about administrative hiring law. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 9, 2017 21:30:18 GMT -8
Competitive / External - open to ALL qualified applicants Special Instructions to Applicants To ensure full consideration, applications must be received by November 20, 2017. Applications will continue to be accepted after the full consideration date, until a sufficient applicant pool has been achieved or the position is filled. The closing date is subject to change without notice to applicants. HOW TO APPLY Inquiries, nominations, and applications are confidential and should be directed to: Tom Snyder, Associate DHR International tsnyder@dhrinternational.com OR John Buechli, Associate DHR International jbuechli@dhrinternational.com I'd certainly argue that if Barnes is already talking to people and someone else applies on November 20th that person would have a pretty legitimate complaint that they were not given full consideration if they hire a person Barnes flew to Florida to talk to more than a week prior to the job closing. My guess is that "officially" Barnes won't even see who has applied until that deadline. I freely admit I can't find the law on this but I am pretty certain that in order to fully comply with equal opportunity government agencies don't 'officially' talk to candidates till the job closes. Googling Oregon State job posting and full consideration date what shows up leads me to believe they only guarantee full consideration to resumes received by that date (in this case 11/20/17 it seems). There is nothing stating whether or not interviews may begin before this date. My uneducated guess is interviews can begin any time they want, but no decisions can be made until that date has passed. I'd also guess that interpretation of the statement "to guarantee full consideration resumes must be received by 'x' date" varies by individual to individual or department to department, some might state there are no interviews until that date others may state otherwise, both may think they are correct. Sometimes an even fairly savvy manager can be off on the actual rules. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 9, 2017 21:39:25 GMT -8
If Scott Frost was announced the next Beavers head coach, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough bridges in the state of Nebraska to handle the number of people looking to jump off one.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 9, 2017 21:49:29 GMT -8
If Scott Frost was announced the next Beavers head coach, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough bridges in the state of Nebraska to handle the number of people looking to jump off one. If I was Scott Frost I'd truly think hard about the Nebraska job if it opens. You can't go home again. Maybe MR will give Scott the real down low on the two jobs! Plus Scott having been in Oregon... well maybe he's a low key, egoless, "builder" who wants his family to grow in small town USA? That guy exists... right? |
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Post by jdogge on Nov 9, 2017 21:53:57 GMT -8
I'd take Kiffin in a heartbeat but don't buy any of this. If Barnes is talking to anyone directly about the job before 11/20 he is violating Oregon law. The search firm is doing all the talking right now. How is he violating Oregon law? I am not trying to be a smart aleck or whip you grief, but I am curious as to how this violates Oregon law. Once the position is posted, is Barnes not allowed to speak to applicants until the position is closed by Oregon law? Is there something in Oregon law that prevents an employer from speaking to potential candidates if that person has hired a headhunter/search firm? Is there something in Oregon law that prohibits an employer from speaking to potential candidates while a posted position is still accepting applications/remains open? Are there special rules that apply to state controlled agencies? If so, what are they? He doesn't need to be speaking with "applicants." If he's smart, he'll do due diligence on all possible applicants which would mean speaking with other staff members, students, Florida-based associates, and donors. |
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 9, 2017 21:56:05 GMT -8
If Scott Frost was announced the next Beavers head coach, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough bridges in the state of Nebraska to handle the number of people looking to jump off one. If I was Scott Frost I'd truly think hard about the Nebraska job if it opens. You can't go home again. Maybe MR will give Scott the real down low on the two jobs! Plus Scott having been in Oregon... well maybe he's a low key, egoless, "builder" who wants his family to grow in small town USA? That guy exists... right? We would be the envy of Nebraska AND Florida. He is at the top of their list for both schools. It’d be nice it it happened. I know personally, I think Oregon has a lot of appeal over Gainesville and anywhere in Nebraska. Mullen’s wife recently stated she didn’t think she could handle grocery shopping in Gainesville if the team didn’t score enough points the week before, citing the number of angry fans who would approach her. Yikes. Coaches are just like most of us, our wives have a hell of a lot of say in relocation matters...maybe that gives us a chance as well? haven’t placed him on my top 5 thinking we didn’t have a chance... |
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Post by dupbeavs on Nov 9, 2017 22:01:26 GMT -8
If Scott Frost was announced the next Beavers head coach, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough bridges in the state of Nebraska to handle the number of people looking to jump off one. If I was Scott Frost I'd truly think hard about the Nebraska job if it opens. You can't go home again. Maybe MR will give Scott the real down low on the two jobs! Plus Scott having been in Oregon... well maybe he's a low key, egoless, "builder" who wants his family to grow in small town USA? That guy exists... right? Yes. And Beau knows football |
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 9, 2017 22:12:32 GMT -8
If Scott Frost was announced the next Beavers head coach, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough bridges in the state of Nebraska to handle the number of people looking to jump off one. If I was Scott Frost I'd truly think hard about the Nebraska job if it opens. You can't go home again. Maybe MR will give Scott the real down low on the two jobs! Plus Scott having been in Oregon... well maybe he's a low key, egoless, "builder" who wants his family to grow in small town USA? That guy exists... right? If livability and choosing the best place to raise a family are key considerations for him taking a new coaching position, then Corvallis would score high marks especially as compared to UF or Nebraska. Lose a game at either of those places and your kids are going to hear about it, or more, at school, and your wife will get looks and an earful anywhere in town she goes too. |
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