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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 12:35:53 GMT -8
Was the subtle little Latino entry intended to be funny, blowcheese? why would it be funny beavdowg? Can you accept there are a significant number of mexican national or hispanic beav fans? There was or still is even a spanish language radio broadcast of beav games. Not even the d*x have that.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 19, 2017 12:44:18 GMT -8
What happened to the interest in Beau Baldwin? He did nothing but WIN at E. Washington, and win big. Or, the HC at N. Dakota State or N. Dakota, they guy who's won 2+ national championships at the FCS level. I think Neuhisel is a big risk. He was good at UColorado and UW but always left in some big controversy. We don't need that. I'm not sure why people think that ex NFL coaches are going to be successful in college. I also think that's a big risk. What the Beavs need is a proven winner from the FCS level. It's worked very well for us with both Casey and Rueck. I know that's no guarantee for football but I like the "risk" of hiring a coach that's already won a couple NC's at the FCS level much, much better than hoping Neuhisel can find his mojo again or hoping some NFL failure will be a home run at the college level. Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. Pac-12 football week in and week out is a big step up from Big Sky football. California is 68th in offense right now, ninth in the pac-12, ahead of only Utah, Colorado, and Oregon State (in dead last). Washington's offense is currently ninth, third in the conference. At this point, Niner seems like a better play. As for Slick Rick Neuheisel, he is from my current neck of the woods. The general consensus is that he is a scumbag, terrible human being. He may have grown out of that, but I would rather just keep CGA and compete with honor than hire Slick Rick. Finally, as an aside, Oregon State currently ranks 91st in offense, last in the Pac-12 and 120th in defense, last in the Pac-12. Oddly, the Beavers rate 75th overall and 8th in the Pac-12 in special teams, ahead of Cal, USC, Oregon, and Arizona State. (Behind Minnesota but ahead of Colorado State.) Does anyone have a reason that the analytics like Oregon State? (Or are Arizona State, Cal, Colorado State, Oregon, and USC just that bad at special teams?)
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 12:54:42 GMT -8
Was the subtle little Latino entry intended to be funny, blowcheese? why would it be funny beavdowg? Can you accept there are a significant number of mexican national or hispanic beav fans? There was or still is even a spanish language radio broadcast of beav games. Not even the d*x have that. I wouldn't think it would funny. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't just leave it at Beaver fans? Why make the distinction? You didn't single out African American Beaver fans, or English Beaver fans, or female Beaver fans but you did for hispanic Beaver fans.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 12:55:39 GMT -8
why would it be funny beavdowg? Can you accept there are a significant number of mexican national or hispanic beav fans? There was or still is even a spanish language radio broadcast of beav games. Not even the d*x have that. I wouldn't think it would funny. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't just leave it at Beaver fans? Why make the distinction? You didn't single out African American Beaver fans, or English Beaver fans, or female Beaver fans but you did for hispanic Beaver fans. Really?
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 19, 2017 13:01:29 GMT -8
What happened to the interest in Beau Baldwin? He did nothing but WIN at E. Washington, and win big. Or, the HC at N. Dakota State or N. Dakota, they guy who's won 2+ national championships at the FCS level. I think Neuhisel is a big risk. He was good at UColorado and UW but always left in some big controversy. We don't need that. I'm not sure why people think that ex NFL coaches are going to be successful in college. I also think that's a big risk. What the Beavs need is a proven winner from the FCS level. It's worked very well for us with both Casey and Rueck. I know that's no guarantee for football but I like the "risk" of hiring a coach that's already won a couple NC's at the FCS level much, much better than hoping Neuhisel can find his mojo again or hoping some NFL failure will be a home run at the college level. Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. Pac-12 football week in and week out is a big step up from Big Sky football. California is 68th in offense right now, ninth in the pac-12, ahead of only Utah, Colorado, and Oregon State (in dead last). Washington's offense is currently ninth, third in the conference. At this point, Niner seems like a better play. As for Slick Rick Neuheisel, he is from my current neck of the woods. The general consensus is that he is a scumbag, terrible human being. He may have grown out of that, but I would rather just keep CGA and compete with honor than hire Slick Rick. Finally, as an aside, Oregon State currently ranks 91st in offense, last in the Pac-12 and 120th in defense, last in the Pac-12. Oddly, the Beavers rate 75th overall and 8th in the Pac-12 in special teams, ahead of Cal, USC, Oregon, and Arizona State. (Behind Minnesota but ahead of Colorado State.) Does anyone have a reason that the analytics like Oregon State? (Or are Arizona State, Cal, Colorado State, Oregon, and USC just that bad at special teams?) I like Beau Baldwin and always have. Then again, I thought GA was a great hire when it was first announced. What about Norvell at Memphis? P12 ties, seems to have performed well at Memphis, albeit with a limited sample size as a head coach...
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 13:01:54 GMT -8
What happened to the interest in Beau Baldwin? He did nothing but WIN at E. Washington, and win big. Or, the HC at N. Dakota State or N. Dakota, they guy who's won 2+ national championships at the FCS level. I think Neuhisel is a big risk. He was good at UColorado and UW but always left in some big controversy. We don't need that. I'm not sure why people think that ex NFL coaches are going to be successful in college. I also think that's a big risk. What the Beavs need is a proven winner from the FCS level. It's worked very well for us with both Casey and Rueck. I know that's no guarantee for football but I like the "risk" of hiring a coach that's already won a couple NC's at the FCS level much, much better than hoping Neuhisel can find his mojo again or hoping some NFL failure will be a home run at the college level. Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. Pac-12 football week in and week out is a big step up from Big Sky football. California is 68th in offense right now, ninth in the pac-12, ahead of only Utah, Colorado, and Oregon State (in dead last). Washington's offense is currently ninth, third in the conference. At this point, Niner seems like a better play. As for Slick Rick Neuheisel, he is from my current neck of the woods. The general consensus is that he is a scumbag, terrible human being. He may have grown out of that, but I would rather just keep CGA and compete with honor than hire Slick Rick. Finally, as an aside, Oregon State currently ranks 91st in offense, last in the Pac-12 and 120th in defense, last in the Pac-12. Oddly, the Beavers rate 75th overall and 8th in the Pac-12 in special teams, ahead of Cal, USC, Oregon, and Arizona State. (Behind Minnesota but ahead of Colorado State.) Does anyone have a reason that the analytics like Oregon State? (Or are Arizona State, Cal, Colorado State, Oregon, and USC just that bad at special teams?) I appreciate the stats but just because Niner is the OC for a higher ranked offense doesn't mean that he'd be a success as a head coach. Baldwin was a success for a long time at E. Washington. And, better yet, the more I think about it, best bet is the guy that has won several NC's at ND State. What is his name?! Now there's a guy that has a proven record of winning AND has won at the highest level, REPEATEDLY, at the FCS level. That's something that neither Baldwin nor Niner can say. I love the idea of Niner coming home and bringing back the Beaver glory days of Erickson and the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't see that as safe a bet as Baldwin or ND State guy. We can't really withstand another failure. I see Baldwin and ND State guy as almost a sure bet. Yes, I understand nothing is sure but you get my point.
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 19, 2017 13:09:58 GMT -8
Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. Pac-12 football week in and week out is a big step up from Big Sky football. California is 68th in offense right now, ninth in the pac-12, ahead of only Utah, Colorado, and Oregon State (in dead last). Washington's offense is currently ninth, third in the conference. At this point, Niner seems like a better play. As for Slick Rick Neuheisel, he is from my current neck of the woods. The general consensus is that he is a scumbag, terrible human being. He may have grown out of that, but I would rather just keep CGA and compete with honor than hire Slick Rick. Finally, as an aside, Oregon State currently ranks 91st in offense, last in the Pac-12 and 120th in defense, last in the Pac-12. Oddly, the Beavers rate 75th overall and 8th in the Pac-12 in special teams, ahead of Cal, USC, Oregon, and Arizona State. (Behind Minnesota but ahead of Colorado State.) Does anyone have a reason that the analytics like Oregon State? (Or are Arizona State, Cal, Colorado State, Oregon, and USC just that bad at special teams?) I appreciate the stats but just because Niner is the OC for a higher ranked offense doesn't mean that he'd be a success as a head coach. Baldwin was a success for a long time at E. Washington. And, better yet, the more I think about it, best bet is the guy that has won several NC's at ND State. What is his name?! Now there's a guy that has a proven record of winning AND has won at the highest level, REPEATEDLY, at the FCS level. That's something that neither Baldwin nor Niner can say. I love the idea of Niner coming home and bringing back the Beaver glory days of Erickson and the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't see that as safe a bet as Baldwin or ND State guy. We can't really withstand another failure. I see Baldwin and ND State guy as almost a sure bet. Yes, I understand nothing is sure but you get my point. Bohl won 3 championships at ND State before moving on to Wyoming, where he has been mediocre. His D coordinator I believe took over at ND State and won 2 more championships. I'm at work, so feel free to fact check me on this. Based in Bohl's limited success in transitioning to Wyoming, I'm kind of leery of how that transition would look going from ND State to OSU....
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 19, 2017 13:12:06 GMT -8
Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. Pac-12 football week in and week out is a big step up from Big Sky football. California is 68th in offense right now, ninth in the pac-12, ahead of only Utah, Colorado, and Oregon State (in dead last). Washington's offense is currently ninth, third in the conference. At this point, Niner seems like a better play. As for Slick Rick Neuheisel, he is from my current neck of the woods. The general consensus is that he is a scumbag, terrible human being. He may have grown out of that, but I would rather just keep CGA and compete with honor than hire Slick Rick. Finally, as an aside, Oregon State currently ranks 91st in offense, last in the Pac-12 and 120th in defense, last in the Pac-12. Oddly, the Beavers rate 75th overall and 8th in the Pac-12 in special teams, ahead of Cal, USC, Oregon, and Arizona State. (Behind Minnesota but ahead of Colorado State.) Does anyone have a reason that the analytics like Oregon State? (Or are Arizona State, Cal, Colorado State, Oregon, and USC just that bad at special teams?) I appreciate the stats but just because Niner is the OC for a higher ranked offense doesn't mean that he'd be a success as a head coach. Baldwin was a success for a long time at E. Washington. And, better yet, the more I think about it, best bet is the guy that has won several NC's at ND State. What is his name?! Now there's a guy that has a proven record of winning AND has won at the highest level, REPEATEDLY, at the FCS level. That's something that neither Baldwin nor Niner can say. I love the idea of Niner coming home and bringing back the Beaver glory days of Erickson and the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't see that as safe a bet as Baldwin or ND State guy. We can't really withstand another failure. I see Baldwin and ND State guy as almost a sure bet. Yes, I understand nothing is sure but you get my point. Which guy that has won a lot of NCs at ND State? Craig Bohl won the first three, and Chris Klieman won the next two. Bohl is the current coach at Wyoming in year four. Last year, he started 8-3 before losing by 21 to New Mexico and to San Diego State by three in Laramie in the Mountain West championship game. He then lost to BYU and Sitake by three in the Poinsettia Bowl. Bohl is 1-2 this year, having lost to Iowa by 21 and Oregon at home by 36. Klieman won two national championships and then lost in the semifinals to national champion, James Madison. North Dakota State is 2-0 this year with a 40-13 win in Cheney against Baldwin-less Eastern Washington.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 19, 2017 13:21:22 GMT -8
I appreciate the stats but just because Niner is the OC for a higher ranked offense doesn't mean that he'd be a success as a head coach. Baldwin was a success for a long time at E. Washington. And, better yet, the more I think about it, best bet is the guy that has won several NC's at ND State. What is his name?! Now there's a guy that has a proven record of winning AND has won at the highest level, REPEATEDLY, at the FCS level. That's something that neither Baldwin nor Niner can say. I love the idea of Niner coming home and bringing back the Beaver glory days of Erickson and the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't see that as safe a bet as Baldwin or ND State guy. We can't really withstand another failure. I see Baldwin and ND State guy as almost a sure bet. Yes, I understand nothing is sure but you get my point. Which guy that has won a lot of NCs at ND State? Craig Bohl won the first three, and Chris Klieman won the next two. Bohl is the current coach at Wyoming in year four. Last year, he started 8-3 before losing by 21 to New Mexico and to San Diego State by three in Laramie in the Mountain West championship game. He then lost to BYU and Sitake by three in the Poinsettia Bowl. Bohl is 1-2 this year, having lost to Iowa by 21 and Oregon at home by 36. Klieman won two national championships and then lost in the semifinals to national champion, James Madison. North Dakota State is 2-0 this year with a win in Cheney against Baldwin-less Eastern Washington. Hey how about Mr. Smith at Linfield, if we are looking to move someone up from lower division. IMO it's hard to make the jump from a lower division to P5 level football, in recruiting if nothing else. In the Pac-12, you are getting the cream of the crop, many of whom are targeting the NFL. At Division II-III, there aren't schollies, there are kids wanting to play football for the sake of playing - it's a different mindset, and although there is the occasional diamond in the rough that comes out to play pro ball, most of the players are in it for the school plus the enjoyment of 4 more years of competitive football to take with them into the world.
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 14:26:30 GMT -8
I appreciate the stats but just because Niner is the OC for a higher ranked offense doesn't mean that he'd be a success as a head coach. Baldwin was a success for a long time at E. Washington. And, better yet, the more I think about it, best bet is the guy that has won several NC's at ND State. What is his name?! Now there's a guy that has a proven record of winning AND has won at the highest level, REPEATEDLY, at the FCS level. That's something that neither Baldwin nor Niner can say. I love the idea of Niner coming home and bringing back the Beaver glory days of Erickson and the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't see that as safe a bet as Baldwin or ND State guy. We can't really withstand another failure. I see Baldwin and ND State guy as almost a sure bet. Yes, I understand nothing is sure but you get my point. Which guy that has won a lot of NCs at ND State? Craig Bohl won the first three, and Chris Klieman won the next two. Bohl is the current coach at Wyoming in year four. Last year, he started 8-3 before losing by 21 to New Mexico and to San Diego State by three in Laramie in the Mountain West championship game. He then lost to BYU and Sitake by three in the Poinsettia Bowl. Bohl is 1-2 this year, having lost to Iowa by 21 and Oregon at home by 36. Klieman won two national championships and then lost in the semifinals to national champion, James Madison. North Dakota State is 2-0 this year with a 40-13 win in Cheney against Baldwin-less Eastern Washington. Thanks for straightening all those coaches out. Not great results I guess for Bohl at Wyoming but weren't they horrendous prior to him coming? He did get them to a bowl game. But yes, less than remarkable results so far for Bohl at Wyoming. I guess the question then is would you rather have Kleiman from ND St. or Baldwin from Cal?
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 14:27:43 GMT -8
Which guy that has won a lot of NCs at ND State? Craig Bohl won the first three, and Chris Klieman won the next two. Bohl is the current coach at Wyoming in year four. Last year, he started 8-3 before losing by 21 to New Mexico and to San Diego State by three in Laramie in the Mountain West championship game. He then lost to BYU and Sitake by three in the Poinsettia Bowl. Bohl is 1-2 this year, having lost to Iowa by 21 and Oregon at home by 36. Klieman won two national championships and then lost in the semifinals to national champion, James Madison. North Dakota State is 2-0 this year with a win in Cheney against Baldwin-less Eastern Washington. Hey how about Mr. Smith at Linfield, if we are looking to move someone up from lower division. IMO it's hard to make the jump from a lower division to P5 level football, in recruiting if nothing else. In the Pac-12, you are getting the cream of the crop, many of whom are targeting the NFL. At Division II-III, there aren't schollies, there are kids wanting to play football for the sake of playing - it's a different mindset, and although there is the occasional diamond in the rough that comes out to play pro ball, most of the players are in it for the school plus the enjoyment of 4 more years of competitive football to take with them into the world. I wouldn't go below FCS level for the next head coach.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 19, 2017 14:44:04 GMT -8
A referendum to increase spending or be kicked out of the Pac 12 would be interesting. Don't be too sure of yourself when speaking for the populace.
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A referendum to add a mere $.05 to the per-gallon alcohol tax base (or however the alcohol tax is computed) to help fund intercollegiate athletics was trounced in 1988. It would have amounted to about five cents on a six-pack. Nothing has changed much in this state since then.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 14:52:45 GMT -8
A referendum to increase spending or be kicked out of the Pac 12 would be interesting. Don't be too sure of yourself when speaking for the populace. =========================================== A referendum to add a mere $.05 to the per-gallon alcohol tax base (or however the alcohol tax is computed) to help fund intercollegiate athletics was trounced in 1988. It would have amounted to about five cents on a six-pack. Nothing has changed much in this state since then. Except the cost of a six-pack!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2017 15:03:13 GMT -8
What happened to the interest in Beau Baldwin? He did nothing but WIN at E. Washington, and win big. Or, the HC at N. Dakota State or N. Dakota, they guy who's won 2+ national championships at the FCS level. I think Neuhisel is a big risk. He was good at UColorado and UW but always left in some big controversy. We don't need that. I'm not sure why people think that ex NFL coaches are going to be successful in college. I also think that's a big risk. What the Beavs need is a proven winner from the FCS level. It's worked very well for us with both Casey and Rueck. I know that's no guarantee for football but I like the "risk" of hiring a coach that's already won a couple NC's at the FCS level much, much better than hoping Neuhisel can find his mojo again or hoping some NFL failure will be a home run at the college level. Beau Baldwin seems like a rational choice, but I am sure that Dave Kragthorpe and Jerry Pettibone may have seemed like rational choices at one point, as well. There is a HUGE dfference between Baldwin and the other two.... Kragthorpe and Pettibone each had 1 year they won 9 or more games as a HC. Baldwin won 11-13 games 5 out of 7 seasons. His worst record in 10 years as a head coach was 6-5. It doesn't hurt that as a position coach he coached John Kitna to All-American status, and another QB, who's name escapes me, to the Walter Payton Award. Baldwin is probably among the most accomplished candidate out there that hasn't been a coach at this level yet.
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 19, 2017 15:17:20 GMT -8
A referendum to increase spending or be kicked out of the Pac 12 would be interesting. Don't be too sure of yourself when speaking for the populace. =========================================== A referendum to add a mere $.05 to the per-gallon alcohol tax base (or however the alcohol tax is computed) to help fund intercollegiate athletics was trounced in 1988. It would have amounted to about five cents on a six-pack. Nothing has changed much in this state since then. No referendum to support colleges PERIOD have passed in Oregon since 1913. Most Oregonians don't give a tinker's damn about OSU. Most OSU grads don't give a tinker's damn about football.
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