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Post by nabeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:16:03 GMT -8
I'm still on the Rick Neuheisel bandwagon.
He's coached at three different Pac-12 schools with varying levels of success. His time at UCLA was disappointing, but UCLA has been sort of middle of the road no matter who is coaching since 1998. After he was let go at Washington, it was 12 years before they had an 8 win season.
Pros: He's an engaging personality, a good talker, and I would assume has some cache with recruits given his national profile. He has NFL experience (serving as OC of the Ravens for a season), and as a player went from walk on backup to Rose Bowl MVP. That sort of story resonates around here.
Cons: one of his Colorado team had all their wins vacated for using an ineligible player (they finished 5-6 anyways), his Washington teams were basically modern day pirates, looting and pillaging their way through Seattle.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 19, 2017 10:22:21 GMT -8
I'm still on the Rick Neuheisel bandwagon. He's coached at three different Pac-12 schools with varying levels of success. His time at UCLA was disappointing, but UCLA has been sort of middle of the road no matter who is coaching since 1998. After he was let go at Washington, it was 12 years before they had an 8 win season. Pros: He's an engaging personality, a good talker, and I would assume has some cache with recruits given his national profile. He has NFL experience (serving as OC of the Ravens for a season), and as a player went from walk on backup to Rose Bowl MVP. That sort of story resonates around here. Cons: one of his Colorado team had all their wins vacated for using an ineligible player (they finished 5-6 anyways), his Washington teams were basically modern day pirates, looting and pillaging their way through Seattle. So... a lot like a younger DE without the vacated W's   |
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Post by messi on Sept 19, 2017 10:31:26 GMT -8
I'm still on the Rick Neuheisel bandwagon. He's coached at three different Pac-12 schools with varying levels of success. His time at UCLA was disappointing, but UCLA has been sort of middle of the road no matter who is coaching since 1998. After he was let go at Washington, it was 12 years before they had an 8 win season. Pros: He's an engaging personality, a good talker, and I would assume has some cache with recruits given his national profile. He has NFL experience (serving as OC of the Ravens for a season), and as a player went from walk on backup to Rose Bowl MVP. That sort of story resonates around here. Cons: one of his Colorado team had all their wins vacated for using an ineligible player (they finished 5-6 anyways), his Washington teams were basically modern day pirates, looting and pillaging their way through Seattle. Would be fun to poke at our neighbors to the south with this hire. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:32:57 GMT -8
I'm still on the Rick Neuheisel bandwagon. He's coached at three different Pac-12 schools with varying levels of success. His time at UCLA was disappointing, but UCLA has been sort of middle of the road no matter who is coaching since 1998. After he was let go at Washington, it was 12 years before they had an 8 win season. Pros: He's an engaging personality, a good talker, and I would assume has some cache with recruits given his national profile. He has NFL experience (serving as OC of the Ravens for a season), and as a player went from walk on backup to Rose Bowl MVP. That sort of story resonates around here. Cons: one of his Colorado team had all their wins vacated for using an ineligible player (they finished 5-6 anyways), his Washington teams were basically modern day pirates, looting and pillaging their way through Seattle. I like Neuheisel as well. I thought he should have been considered last time around (but then again, I was a big GA fan as well). The guy has done well at most of his stops, great personality, and recruiting-wise there is a slew of kids in the west who have seen him in their living rooms on a weekly basis the last several years on the Pac 12 channel. |
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:35:11 GMT -8
I'm still on the Rick Neuheisel bandwagon. He's coached at three different Pac-12 schools with varying levels of success. His time at UCLA was disappointing, but UCLA has been sort of middle of the road no matter who is coaching since 1998. After he was let go at Washington, it was 12 years before they had an 8 win season. Pros: He's an engaging personality, a good talker, and I would assume has some cache with recruits given his national profile. He has NFL experience (serving as OC of the Ravens for a season), and as a player went from walk on backup to Rose Bowl MVP. That sort of story resonates around here. Cons: one of his Colorado team had all their wins vacated for using an ineligible player (they finished 5-6 anyways), his Washington teams were basically modern day pirates, looting and pillaging their way through Seattle. Interesting (and good) idea. I've heard through media reports that he's a dynamic personality, engages well with recruits. Looks like he hasn't coached since 2011. Honest question, do you feel if that amount of time away from football is positive (reflection, learning from other coaches, etc.) or a negative (game has "passed them by" argument)? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 10:35:38 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"? No Charlie Weis!! Oh, pro contract. Never mind. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 10:44:16 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"? Anyone in particular? The only person I can think of off the top of my head with this criteria is Chip... He is being paid by two NFL teams still... He has got to give us the Ol' Dennis Erickson discount right? Right? |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:46:11 GMT -8
Interesting (and good) idea. I've heard through media reports that he's a dynamic personality, engages well with recruits. Looks like he hasn't coached since 2011. Honest question, do you feel if that amount of time away from football is positive (reflection, learning from other coaches, etc.) or a negative (game has "passed them by" argument)? I think that all depends on his coordinators and how much responsibility he delegates. I heard through the grapevine that he wanted the job bad back in 2014, but we weren't interested (maybe because we already had GA on the hook, I don't know). |
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 19, 2017 10:51:01 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"? Anyone in particular? The only person I can think of off the top of my head with this criteria is Chip... Yeah, Chip is about the only who had success at high level in college. Most of the recent firees I can think of I wouldn't be too excited. Only one I can think of that is mildly interesting is Gus Bradley. His Jacksonville teams were bad, but being past DC for Seahawks probably wouldn't hurt recruiting-wise. Or maybe just give the job to the winner of the San Diego St. - Air Force game. Troy Calhoun has had pretty good success at AF and was born in Oregon I believe. |
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 11:06:32 GMT -8
What happened to the interest in Beau Baldwin? He did nothing but WIN at E. Washignton, and win big. Or, the HC at N. Dakota State or N. Dakota, they guy who's won 2+ national championships at the FCS level. I think Neuhisel is a big risk. He was good at UColorado and UW but always left in some big controversy. We don't need that. I'm not sure why people think that ex NFL coaches are going to be successful in college. I also think that's a big risk. What the Beavs need is a proven winner from the FCS level. It's worked very well for us with both Casey and Rueck. I know that's no guarantee for football but I like the "risk" of hiring a coach that's already won a couple NC's at the FCS level much, much better than hoping Neuhisel can find his mojo again or hoping some NFL failure will be a home run at the college level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 11:32:36 GMT -8
i respectfully disagree with that philosophy. Since when will ruinous debt by itself bring down a non-private entity? hate to say it but taxpayer money needs to be a multiplier for OS to continue to grow the facilities, attract fans just to stay in the game. It's either that or pack it in for the bush leagues. Go big (even into debt) or go home. This isn't about making OS the alabama of the NW, it's about being competitive to stay in the game. There's a realistic plan. "Let's go deep into debt and pray for a bailout!" No bailout will come. Not in this state. And we'll never be competitive at anything again. We'll never be able to afford even second-tier coaches and not only will Reser never be upgraded, we won't be able to maintain the facilities that we have. Overspending won't shut OSU down overnight, but it will cripple us for years - and maybe forever. There is a legal limit to how much OSU can borrow as an institution. Thanks to their stadium upgrade, Cal is at their legal limit and there are reports that academic research is getting hit because they can't legally borrow to upgrade labs. We'd be in the same boat if we adopted this "borrow to win" attitude. Understand one thing: if it was put to a referendum today, the majority of Oregonians would *eliminate* college sports before they would fund them. Joe Average Oregonian doesn't give a **** about whether OSU is competitive in the Pac-12, and there are plenty of people that think that Reser and Autzen are concussion factories that should be shut down. Our leaders know this, and know that it would be insane to count on the legislature or the voters for a bailout. Why would that even get put up for a referendum? I think you know why, because it is a non-starter. Before you speak for Joe Average oregonian, acknowledge first that average joe or jose oregonian doesn't vote or even have any sway in the matter. It's the vocal minority, not the disenfranchised that makes sh9t happen. Collective passions rule and even minor, bandwagon, wishy washy sports fans have enough dog in the fight to want to see the two major institutions be competitive in the major sports. A referendum to increase spending or be kicked out of the Pac 12 would be interesting. Don't be too sure of yourself when speaking for the populace. |
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 19, 2017 11:40:07 GMT -8
Was the subtle little Latino entry intended to be funny, blowcheese?
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 19, 2017 11:59:09 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"? Anyone in particular? The only person I can think of off the top of my head with this criteria is Chip... It was more of a wishful hypothetical - and right now, the Chipster might not be so bad.... |
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Post by seastape on Sept 19, 2017 12:13:56 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days? I certainly get the notion that an older coach may not be what we are looking for in the long run, but I think OSU needs a coach right now that can get the team back to basics: solid fundamentals, a balanced offense, and good tackling. Right now, that's not the way OSU plays. We may not have the best athletes on average in the Pac 12, but we do have some good ones who I think could play a lot better with some good teaching.
Rocky Long can provide that and is also a creative defensive mind, something OSU also needs right now.
Rocky Long may not be ideal, and he may not be my first choice, but if OSU got a hold of him, I would have no problem with it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 19, 2017 12:31:39 GMT -8
There's a realistic plan. "Let's go deep into debt and pray for a bailout!" No bailout will come. Not in this state. And we'll never be competitive at anything again. We'll never be able to afford even second-tier coaches and not only will Reser never be upgraded, we won't be able to maintain the facilities that we have. Overspending won't shut OSU down overnight, but it will cripple us for years - and maybe forever. There is a legal limit to how much OSU can borrow as an institution. Thanks to their stadium upgrade, Cal is at their legal limit and there are reports that academic research is getting hit because they can't legally borrow to upgrade labs. We'd be in the same boat if we adopted this "borrow to win" attitude. Understand one thing: if it was put to a referendum today, the majority of Oregonians would *eliminate* college sports before they would fund them. Joe Average Oregonian doesn't give a **** about whether OSU is competitive in the Pac-12, and there are plenty of people that think that Reser and Autzen are concussion factories that should be shut down. Our leaders know this, and know that it would be insane to count on the legislature or the voters for a bailout. Why would that even get put up for a referendum? I think you know why, because it is a non-starter. Before you speak for Joe Average oregonian, acknowledge first that jose i mean joe average oregonian doesn't vote or even have any sway in the matter. It's the vocal minority, not the disenfranchised that makes sh9t happen. Collective passions rule and even minor, bandwagon, wishy washy sports fans have enough dog in the fight to want to see the two major institutions be competitive in the major sports. A referendum to increase spending or be kicked out of the Pac 12 would be interesting. Don't be too sure of yourself when speaking for the populace. Collective passions may rule, but how are you going to counter-balance the collective passions of Oregon State fans against University of Oregon fans? They would need to be in a similar situation for this to be a viable route. And with Uncle Phil and his Russian oil money, I just don't see that happening. |
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