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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 6:14:24 GMT -8
Easy to say you'd have the honor and character to walk away from millions when you don't really have millions to walk away from. As to the OP, saying WSU has a more committed fan base is laughable. They've sold a 'school record' 14,000 season tickets this year. Yesterday, with a ranked team playing a regional rival at home on a sunny day, they managed to draw 32,000. This is true. Pullman has a hard time filling the stadium, even when they are nationally ranked. The year Leaf was great at QB and the Cougs went to Rose Bowl, they only managed one "sellout" and it was suspicious at that. Many suspect the school bought up the tickets just to have a sellout. It's a long drive for alumni who don't live on the Palouse. Can we guess at the Reser attendance for the beavs with the the level of success the cougs are having (competing for the north div, decent bowls, lots of points) ? I want to say 10-15 k improvement in the home crowds generally (higher for the marquee games, lower for the other ones) Sound about right? In any event with a good product the Reser crowds double up anything the cougs can draw at home. Trying to make myself feel better here.
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Post by obf on Sept 19, 2017 6:43:42 GMT -8
Pop quiz, what university has the smallest % of their AD budget allocated for football? Hint: not WSU. You get what you pay for. Budget represents a commitment to excellence. Even after ponying up for Anderpants, OSU is still dead last. Dead. Last. What do we expect to happen? Riley was a master of making chicken salad out of chicken s%#t. I personally believe that there is going to be a financial cliff here in 2024. NFL viewership is down year-over and it was down last year year-over. If that does not stop, the NFL is going to be in a world of hurt in five years. And the NCAA is going to be in a world of hurt a couple of years after that. While it would be great if Oregon State had the money to keep up with the Joneses right now, doing so might imperil the future. Fiscal responsibility is never sexy, but a healthy dose of fiscal restraint may set the Beavers up for years to come. In a couple of years, Oregon State could be the ones having the last laugh, when several of the other Power 5 schools are hamstrung with ruinous debt. That's assuming football is still football, and not two hand touch... I figured with the recent North reno and CGA's salary that we weren't LAST... but dang... Other than infrastructure and buildings what are we actually spending less on? IN terms of yearly budget (and not single use capital funds) where to we tighten the belt and others don't? Uniforms? Food allowance? Advertising? Just looked it up... even with the big increase from MR to CGA we are STILL paying him less than all the other Pac-12 head coaches... If/When we jettison CGA what is an appropriate salary to attract an real, honest to goodness coaching stud? Not elite or upper echelon, just someone with a little track record and upward projection??? "We call him Will" Taggart makes right at $3million... Seems like we would at least have to go there... to pry away a Beau Baldwin or Niner or Tedford we would probably need to go to 4??
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 6:56:00 GMT -8
I personally believe that there is going to be a financial cliff here in 2024. NFL viewership is down year-over and it was down last year year-over. If that does not stop, the NFL is going to be in a world of hurt in five years. And the NCAA is going to be in a world of hurt a couple of years after that. While it would be great if Oregon State had the money to keep up with the Joneses right now, doing so might imperil the future. Fiscal responsibility is never sexy, but a healthy dose of fiscal restraint may set the Beavers up for years to come. In a couple of years, Oregon State could be the ones having the last laugh, when several of the other Power 5 schools are hamstrung with ruinous debt. That's assuming football is still football, and not two hand touch... I figured with the recent North reno and CGA's salary that we weren't LAST... but dang... Other than infrastructure and buildings what are we actually spending less on? IN terms of yearly budget (and not single use capital funds) where to we tighten the belt and others don't? Uniforms? Food allowance? Advertising? Just looked it up... even with the big increase from MR to CGA we are STILL paying him less than all the other Pac-12 head coaches... If/When we jettison CGA what is an appropriate salary to attract an real, honest to goodness coaching stud? Not elite or upper echelon, just someone with a little track record and upward projection??? "We call him Will" Taggart makes right at $3million... Seems like we would at least have to go there... to pry away a Beau Baldwin or Niner or Tedford we would probably need to go to 4?? We can't. That is why we have to try and lure in the best coordinator we can to get the ship turned around and when he become a hot commodity in a couple seasons, be in a position to match real offers. It really is our only hope.
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Post by obf on Sept 19, 2017 7:01:53 GMT -8
That's assuming football is still football, and not two hand touch... I figured with the recent North reno and CGA's salary that we weren't LAST... but dang... Other than infrastructure and buildings what are we actually spending less on? IN terms of yearly budget (and not single use capital funds) where to we tighten the belt and others don't? Uniforms? Food allowance? Advertising? Just looked it up... even with the big increase from MR to CGA we are STILL paying him less than all the other Pac-12 head coaches... If/When we jettison CGA what is an appropriate salary to attract an real, honest to goodness coaching stud? Not elite or upper echelon, just someone with a little track record and upward projection??? "We call him Will" Taggart makes right at $3million... Seems like we would at least have to go there... to pry away a Beau Baldwin or Niner or Tedford we would probably need to go to 4?? We can't. That is why we have to try and lure in the best coordinator we can to get the ship turned around and when he become a hot commodity in a couple seasons, be in a position to match real offers. It really is our only hope. WSU Lured in Leach... although I don't remember all the circumstances but iIRC he was also in a bounce back from some controversy... I assume a bounce back from controversy coach wouldn't work here at OSU (could you imagine the fallout if Art Briles came to town?!?!) But maybe a coach like Tedford who is looking to get back into the P5? I wanted Beau Baldwin before, and I still do... He wouldn't take 3-4 mil from us? Harson, Rocky Long, Heck even getting Brennan back???
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 7:09:25 GMT -8
Pop quiz, what university has the smallest % of their AD budget allocated for football? Hint: not WSU. You get what you pay for. Budget represents a commitment to excellence. Even after ponying up for Anderpants, OSU is still dead last. Dead. Last. What do we expect to happen? Riley was a master of making chicken salad out of chicken s%#t. I personally believe that there is going to be a financial cliff here in 2024. NFL viewership is down year-over and it was down last year year-over. If that does not stop, the NFL is going to be in a world of hurt in five years. And the NCAA is going to be in a world of hurt a couple of years after that. While it would be great if Oregon State had the money to keep up with the Joneses right now, doing so might imperil the future. Fiscal responsibility is never sexy, but a healthy dose of fiscal restraint may set the Beavers up for years to come. In a couple of years, Oregon State could be the ones having the last laugh, when several of the other Power 5 schools are hamstrung with ruinous debt. It is undeniable that traditional viewership of NFL is down... but I am not sure the NFL is any less popular. They simply need to adapt their business to the internet generation. in otherwords, /r/nflstreams is a very popular subreddit. Anybody here own a fire TV and installed Kodi? there is your free NFL sunday ticket... Cord cutting is a real issue to contend with. As for me? I watch NFL redzone exclusively while I fart around on my Sundays. that is a premium commercial free channel not captured in viewership numbers for the most part. While viewer ship is down, other metrics remain strong. Ticket sales continue to remain steady. 9 NFL teams were averaging 100% or more capacity in through 2 weeks of 2017. 11 more teams were at 95% capacity or more. Only three teams are averaging less than 90% stadium capacity. According to NFLPA, retail sales of licensed merchandise continues to climb. NFL needs to make adaptations for the future in terms of TV revenue, but at its core the product (football) remains popular.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 8:02:03 GMT -8
Pop quiz, what university has the smallest % of their AD budget allocated for football? Hint: not WSU. You get what you pay for. Budget represents a commitment to excellence. Even after ponying up for Anderpants, OSU is still dead last. Dead. Last. What do we expect to happen? Riley was a master of making chicken salad out of chicken s%#t. I personally believe that there is going to be a financial cliff here in 2024. NFL viewership is down year-over and it was down last year year-over. If that does not stop, the NFL is going to be in a world of hurt in five years. And the NCAA is going to be in a world of hurt a couple of years after that. While it would be great if Oregon State had the money to keep up with the Joneses right now, doing so might imperil the future. Fiscal responsibility is never sexy, but a healthy dose of fiscal restraint may set the Beavers up for years to come. In a couple of years, Oregon State could be the ones having the last laugh, when several of the other Power 5 schools are hamstrung with ruinous debt. i respectfully disagree with that philosophy. Since when will ruinous debt by itself bring down a non-private entity? hate to say it but taxpayer money needs to be a multiplier for OS to continue to grow the facilities, attract fans just to stay in the game. It's either that or pack it in for the bush leagues. Go big (even into debt) or go home. This isn't about making OS the alabama of the NW, it's about being competitive to stay in the game.
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Post by nexus73 on Sept 19, 2017 8:26:43 GMT -8
Going back to the original topic, to me it looks like Cal is having the season we were hoping for. Picked 6th in the North, they have come out playing to their potential. Yeah, the chickens come home to roost with USC up next, but the Golden Bears have an honest John shot at a bowl game.
Oregon going 3-0 is a bit less surprising given the amount of stud power they dial up at the skill positions.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2017 8:45:18 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days?
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 19, 2017 9:14:56 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days? KState
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 19, 2017 9:28:40 GMT -8
I personally believe that there is going to be a financial cliff here in 2024. NFL viewership is down year-over and it was down last year year-over. If that does not stop, the NFL is going to be in a world of hurt in five years. And the NCAA is going to be in a world of hurt a couple of years after that. While it would be great if Oregon State had the money to keep up with the Joneses right now, doing so might imperil the future. Fiscal responsibility is never sexy, but a healthy dose of fiscal restraint may set the Beavers up for years to come. In a couple of years, Oregon State could be the ones having the last laugh, when several of the other Power 5 schools are hamstrung with ruinous debt. i respectfully disagree with that philosophy. Since when will ruinous debt by itself bring down a non-private entity? hate to say it but taxpayer money needs to be a multiplier for OS to continue to grow the facilities, attract fans just to stay in the game. It's either that or pack it in for the bush leagues. Go big (even into debt) or go home. This isn't about making OS the alabama of the NW, it's about being competitive to stay in the game. There's a realistic plan. "Let's go deep into debt and pray for a bailout!" No bailout will come. Not in this state. And we'll never be competitive at anything again. We'll never be able to afford even second-tier coaches and not only will Reser never be upgraded, we won't be able to maintain the facilities that we have. Overspending won't shut OSU down overnight, but it will cripple us for years - and maybe forever. There is a legal limit to how much OSU can borrow as an institution. Thanks to their stadium upgrade, Cal is at their legal limit and there are reports that academic research is getting hit because they can't legally borrow to upgrade labs. We'd be in the same boat if we adopted this "borrow to win" attitude. Understand one thing: if it was put to a referendum today, the majority of Oregonians would *eliminate* college sports before they would fund them. Joe Average Oregonian doesn't give a **** about whether OSU is competitive in the Pac-12, and there are plenty of people that think that Reser and Autzen are concussion factories that should be shut down. Our leaders know this, and know that it would be insane to count on the legislature or the voters for a bailout.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 19, 2017 9:36:19 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days? Kansas State? I'd take 77 year old Bill Snyder in a Manhattan Kansas Minute!
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 19, 2017 9:41:41 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days? That was kind of my thought when I first started seeing his name thrown around, but he sure does have San Diego St. humming. If GA gets the axe at the end of the year, I'm wondering what people's preferences are for a replacement. Offensive vs. defensive pedigree? Head coaching experience or up and coming assistant? Is experience coaching in Pac 12 (or at least in west) a must?
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 19, 2017 9:56:05 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"?
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:14:06 GMT -8
I am kinda hoping for that NFL coach that has successful high level college experience, is cut with several years left on his pro contract (so does not need a big paycheck) and who, when he is called for a reference about another coach, says "what about me"? Anyone in particular? The only person I can think of off the top of my head with this criteria is Chip...
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:15:33 GMT -8
I've seen Rocky's name thrown out there a bit. He's a good coach, but he's getting a little long in years. How often does anybody hire a 68 year old as their new head coach these days? Kansas State? I'd take 77 year old Bill Snyder in a Manhattan Kansas Minute! Speaking of coaches with a few years, Les Miles is 63 I believe. He didn't get the Houston job last year, but was a finalist. He would be a "big name" at least..,
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