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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 21, 2017 19:09:16 GMT -8
NIT for sure---outside shot at NCAA if a lot of things go right You're a good fan, BBfan...but....I've heard this SOOO many times before. I've become a real cynic regarding men's hoops and football. I hate it, but I'm being totally honest. The "give-a-s%#t" just isn't there at an INSTITUTIONAL level. That isn't the ONLY level, but it's a BAD place to start. I'll quit while I'm behind...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:52:48 GMT -8
NIT for sure---outside shot at NCAA if a lot of things go right You're a good fan, BBfan...but....I've heard this SOOO many times before. I've become a real cynic regarding men's hoops and football. I hate it, but I'm being totally honest. The "give-a-s%#t" just isn't there at an INSTITUTIONAL level. That isn't the ONLY level, but it's a BAD place to start. I'll quit while I'm behind... If we make the NCAA tournament, will you come back and say you were wrong? I'll say it again. We were ahead of AZ last year by 2 at the half. Vs Cal in the P12 Tournament, we lost by 5. We did this with just 4 players with modest or better talent: Drew, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. They were TIRED and probably demoralized. This year we'll have 11 players with modest or better talent. We add N'diaye, Tres, a healthy Ben Kone and Seth who have experience. We've got some young guys with talent in Hollins, Ethan, and Zach. If N'diaye could start at center and be spelled by Rakocevic, and if Gligorije is improved as claimed, and if Tres and Drew can start at forward and Seth or Ben or Alfred can spell them, and if Jaquori and Steven can start and Ethan, Zach, and Kendall can spell them, then everybody stays fresh and the talent level stays high. Yeah, it depends on how motivated Drew is, and Tres staying healthy, and Ethan coming up with clutch plays, and Seth being solid, and N'diaye finally playing to his potential, and so on. But the makings are there. There's a huge difference this year vs last year when the best you could do was sub in guys like Dahlen, Sanders, and Stacy. If last year's players can take that wealth of oncourt minutes and translate it into more smarts this year, reaching the NCAA tourney is not an unrealistic expectation. Yeah, I'm an optimist. It's all I've got to get me through this football season.
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Post by usmc1958 on Sept 21, 2017 20:26:51 GMT -8
I'll go on record as predicting this: 11-1 in non-conference, 10-8 in conference, 1-1 in the tournament. That makes us 22-10 and an NCAA team. I see wins over UT/CO, @cal/S, UW/WSU(2), plus a couple upset home wins from among UCLA/USC, UA/ASU, and Oregon. But, of course, I could be wrong. But, of course, you could be right. I vote for right. The overall attitude of the team will be the difference for this year. When you're getting thumped every game, you get down. You might think you're giving it all you got, but you're not. You see no light at the end of the tunnel. This year the light will be huge. They won't be running up and down the court, they'll be gliding. Spring won't be in the air but, they will have spring in their tail. And that's the way the Pickle Squirts. ( Ralph said that )
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 10:09:42 GMT -8
You're a good fan, BBfan...but....I've heard this SOOO many times before. I've become a real cynic regarding men's hoops and football. I hate it, but I'm being totally honest. The "give-a-s%#t" just isn't there at an INSTITUTIONAL level. That isn't the ONLY level, but it's a BAD place to start. I'll quit while I'm behind... If we make the NCAA tournament, will you come back and say you were wrong? I'll say it again. We were ahead of AZ last year by 2 at the half. Vs Cal in the P12 Tournament, we lost by 5. We did this with just 4 players with modest or better talent: Drew, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. They were TIRED and probably demoralized. This year we'll have 11 players with modest or better talent. We add N'diaye, Tres, a healthy Ben Kone and Seth who have experience. We've got some young guys with talent in Hollins, Ethan, and Zach. If N'diaye could start at center and be spelled by Rakocevic, and if Gligorije is improved as claimed, and if Tres and Drew can start at forward and Seth or Ben or Alfred can spell them, and if Jaquori and Steven can start and Ethan, Zach, and Kendall can spell them, then everybody stays fresh and the talent level stays high. Yeah, it depends on how motivated Drew is, and Tres staying healthy, and Ethan coming up with clutch plays, and Seth being solid, and N'diaye finally playing to his potential, and so on. But the makings are there. There's a huge difference this year vs last year when the best you could do was sub in guys like Dahlen, Sanders, and Stacy. If last year's players can take that wealth of oncourt minutes and translate it into more smarts this year, reaching the NCAA tourney is not an unrealistic expectation. Yeah, I'm an optimist. It's all I've got to get me through this football season. wait, N'diaye? love the guy but this is his 5th year with the program and he has played in 80 games. He has averaged 6.5 minutes a game and 1.4 points per game. He has 33 blocked shots but also 37 turnovers in his career. Those numbers simply cannot be calculated into any serious prognostication of the team's tourney hopes.
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Post by Quint on Sept 22, 2017 11:03:09 GMT -8
True that. Do we even know N'Diaye is coming back for sure? I thought we had one scholorship left and it was between N'Diaye and Kylor Kelley. Is N'Diaye in (for sure), and Kelley out (for sure)
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 22, 2017 11:16:29 GMT -8
True that. Do we even know N'Diaye is coming back for sure? I thought we had one scholorship left and it was between N'Diaye and Kylor Kelley. Is N'Diaye in (for sure), and Kelley out (for sure) N'Diaye is listed as Redshirt Senior on Beavers' website, and in articles on the Spain trip they say he (and Hollins) didn't make the trip because of academic reasons (both had classes to finish). So I've been assuming he's back.
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Post by jefframp on Sept 22, 2017 11:27:31 GMT -8
True that. Do we even know N'Diaye is coming back for sure? I thought we had one scholorship left and it was between N'Diaye and Kylor Kelley. Is N'Diaye in (for sure), and Kelley out (for sure) I just checked the roster and N'Diaye is still listed but the number listed is 16 and I think the max. is 15. Kelley is not listed.
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 22, 2017 12:07:12 GMT -8
......and, YES...I'll come back and say I was wrong. I'd be happy to, in fact...THRILLED even. The odds of that happening are as remote as the football team winning the PAC 12 north, however.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:11:36 GMT -8
......and, YES...I'll come back and say I was wrong. I'd be happy to, in fact...THRILLED even. The odds of that happening are as remote as the football team winning the PAC 12 north, however. Ooby dooby!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:17:42 GMT -8
If we make the NCAA tournament, will you come back and say you were wrong? I'll say it again. We were ahead of AZ last year by 2 at the half. Vs Cal in the P12 Tournament, we lost by 5. We did this with just 4 players with modest or better talent: Drew, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. They were TIRED and probably demoralized. This year we'll have 11 players with modest or better talent. We add N'diaye, Tres, a healthy Ben Kone and Seth who have experience. We've got some young guys with talent in Hollins, Ethan, and Zach. If N'diaye could start at center and be spelled by Rakocevic, and if Gligorije is improved as claimed, and if Tres and Drew can start at forward and Seth or Ben or Alfred can spell them, and if Jaquori and Steven can start and Ethan, Zach, and Kendall can spell them, then everybody stays fresh and the talent level stays high. Yeah, it depends on how motivated Drew is, and Tres staying healthy, and Ethan coming up with clutch plays, and Seth being solid, and N'diaye finally playing to his potential, and so on. But the makings are there. There's a huge difference this year vs last year when the best you could do was sub in guys like Dahlen, Sanders, and Stacy. If last year's players can take that wealth of oncourt minutes and translate it into more smarts this year, reaching the NCAA tourney is not an unrealistic expectation. Yeah, I'm an optimist. It's all I've got to get me through this football season. wait, N'diaye? love the guy but this is his 5th year with the program and he has played in 80 games. He has averaged 6.5 minutes a game and 1.4 points per game. He has 33 blocked shots but also 37 turnovers in his career. Those numbers simply cannot be calculated into any serious prognostication of the team's tourney hopes. Is he better than Rakocevic? Do we need some more size in side? Would we like to see Drew at forward? Did N'diaye block a shot once? All of these are true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 13:27:46 GMT -8
wait, N'diaye? love the guy but this is his 5th year with the program and he has played in 80 games. He has averaged 6.5 minutes a game and 1.4 points per game. He has 33 blocked shots but also 37 turnovers in his career. Those numbers simply cannot be calculated into any serious prognostication of the team's tourney hopes. Is he better than Rakocevic? Do we need some more size in side? Would we like to see Drew at forward? Did N'diaye block a shot once? All of these are true. Is he better than Rakocevic? I don't know if that is true. It seems like Rakocevic is a better offensive player but worse defender than N'diaye. The numbers support this. It might be a wash as far as which player is more effective. My response was to the notion of N'diaye being a factor in the team's tourney run. In 4 years of playing he averages about 20 games a year and only 6.5 minutes a game. Not sure why to expect a huge contribution. It would be nice if you are correct. We need somone to keep the vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells from making easy runs to the rim. Too much mouse in the house last year.
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Post by beavadelic on Sept 25, 2017 15:12:34 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team, I think that's needed to make the NCAA tourney. Had one last time Beavs were there, in GP II. I think the NIT is a reasonable expectation if Beavs stay healthy. Going to the NIT after last year would be a significant turnaround. Barring injury, Tres Tinkle is likely to have some really good numbers, possibly a triple double or three mixed in. Don't know if you call it game changing or not, but his last 8-10 games of his freshman year he was pushing GP2 on scoring and I think a few other categories. I'm thinking on the whole the surrounding cast might be a bit better this year than a couple years back. I've been thinking 17-18 wins is a lock,22-ish is possible. Definitions would vary as to what constitutes "game-changing" talent, but I understand the idea and concur that there are no players on our roster like GP2 or his dad. While senior could literally change the game on both ends of the floor, his son could do it on the less- conventional end - on defense. His offense was always a work in progress, but that hustle and rebounding, and unbelievable impact on defense was something else. To my thinking, Tres is very close to a game changer. His slashing ability and work around the basket with a nice mid-range game are tough. If he's healthy all year, he could make all-conference, IMO, a a real go-to matchup issue in crunch time. We have mostly just heard about Ethan's mature and strong all-around game, and everyone I've talked to in the area who I trust in their assessments tell that Reichle is a special offensive player and tenacious. These days, most top high school kids play all over the country, and Reichle can play. I know that Jacquori, Drew and Stevie CAN be very good, and if those first 3 that I mentioned are all up to their hype, these guys could shine. I would say that the wild cards that could bump a 15 win team to a 21 or 22 win team are (in order of importance IMO) 1) Tres' health - his ability and leadership are essential 2) The readiness relatively early of Ethan 3) the readiness to contribute of Reichle, and 4) the health and restoration of confidence for Kone (Ben was a beast before his injury in his senior year. #1 is mandatory to me. #2 is big because of the need for strong guard play, and #3 would be huge. If we get all 4, IMO, that next wave of 3 guys would be free to bring their unique assets to the table and their weaknesses (hopefully they have been working on those as well) won't hurt us as much. That would also allow the other new kids, Big G, N'dyai and Manuel to contribute. It's amazing what happens when you have 2 or 3 options down the stretch who have the confidence and skill to deliver.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 25, 2017 15:31:23 GMT -8
Barring injury, Tres Tinkle is likely to have some really good numbers, possibly a triple double or three mixed in. Don't know if you call it game changing or not, but his last 8-10 games of his freshman year he was pushing GP2 on scoring and I think a few other categories. I'm thinking on the whole the surrounding cast might be a bit better this year than a couple years back. I've been thinking 17-18 wins is a lock,22-ish is possible. Definitions would vary as to what constitutes "game-changing" talent, but I understand the idea and concur that there are no players on our roster like GP2 or his dad. While senior could literally change the game on both ends of the floor, his son could do it on the less- conventional end - on defense. His offense was always a work in progress, but that hustle and rebounding, and unbelievable impact on defense was something else. To my thinking, Tres is very close to a game changer. His slashing ability and work around the basket with a nice mid-range game are tough. If he's healthy all year, he could make all-conference, IMO, a a real go-to matchup issue in crunch time. We have mostly just heard about Ethan's mature and strong all-around game, and everyone I've talked to in the area who I trust in their assessments tell that Reichle is a special offensive player and tenacious. These days, most top high school kids play all over the country, and Reichle can play. I know that Jacquori, Drew and Stevie CAN be very good, and if those first 3 that I mentioned are all up to their hype, these guys could shine. I would say that the wild cards that could bump a 15 win team to a 21 or 22 win team are (in order of importance IMO) 1) Tres' health - his ability and leadership are essential 2) The readiness relatively early of Ethan 3) the readiness to contribute of Reichle, and 4) the health and restoration of confidence for Kone (Ben was a beast before his injury in his senior year. #1 is mandatory to me. #2 is big because of the need for strong guard play, and #3 would be huge. If we get all 4, IMO, that next wave of 3 guys would be free to bring their unique assets to the table and their weaknesses (hopefully they have been working on those as well) won't hurt us as much. That would also allow the other new kids, Big G, N'dyai and Manuel to contribute. It's amazing what happens when you have 2 or 3 options down the stretch who have the confidence and skill to deliver. I'm getting more curious about Reichle as time goes on. There wasn't a lot of commentary when he first committed, but the more I hear about him the more interesting he seems as a player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:02:17 GMT -8
Definitions would vary as to what constitutes "game-changing" talent, but I understand the idea and concur that there are no players on our roster like GP2 or his dad. While senior could literally change the game on both ends of the floor, his son could do it on the less- conventional end - on defense. His offense was always a work in progress, but that hustle and rebounding, and unbelievable impact on defense was something else. To my thinking, Tres is very close to a game changer. His slashing ability and work around the basket with a nice mid-range game are tough. If he's healthy all year, he could make all-conference, IMO, a a real go-to matchup issue in crunch time. We have mostly just heard about Ethan's mature and strong all-around game, and everyone I've talked to in the area who I trust in their assessments tell that Reichle is a special offensive player and tenacious. These days, most top high school kids play all over the country, and Reichle can play. I know that Jacquori, Drew and Stevie CAN be very good, and if those first 3 that I mentioned are all up to their hype, these guys could shine. I would say that the wild cards that could bump a 15 win team to a 21 or 22 win team are (in order of importance IMO) 1) Tres' health - his ability and leadership are essential 2) The readiness relatively early of Ethan 3) the readiness to contribute of Reichle, and 4) the health and restoration of confidence for Kone (Ben was a beast before his injury in his senior year. #1 is mandatory to me. #2 is big because of the need for strong guard play, and #3 would be huge. If we get all 4, IMO, that next wave of 3 guys would be free to bring their unique assets to the table and their weaknesses (hopefully they have been working on those as well) won't hurt us as much. That would also allow the other new kids, Big G, N'dyai and Manuel to contribute. It's amazing what happens when you have 2 or 3 options down the stretch who have the confidence and skill to deliver. I'm getting more curious about Reichle as time goes on. There wasn't a lot of commentary when he first committed, but the more I hear about him the more interesting he seems as a player. he ain't no Kendal Manuel
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Post by bbfan on Sept 26, 2017 8:34:17 GMT -8
NIT for sure---outside shot at NCAA if a lot of things go right You're a good fan, BBfan...but....I've heard this SOOO many times before. I've become a real cynic regarding men's hoops and football. I hate it, but I'm being totally honest. The "give-a-s%#t" just isn't there at an INSTITUTIONAL level. That isn't the ONLY level, but it's a BAD place to start. I'll quit while I'm behind...
NIT for sure means finishing 6-9 range, that isn't asking a lot. 18 months ago this team was in the Big Dance, they haven't been in some big drought like football is
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