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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 15, 2017 7:14:20 GMT -8
I will have what you are having! We'll have better talent... but now have to mesh that talent and play with some better attitudes. Too much emphasis was placed on injuries. Yep, it affected depth and talent level, but our demeanor and court presence should have been much better. I'm curious to see how key guys respond when things go south during a game, and how or if the younger guys follow or??? I see a jump cuz it can't get much worse... 8-4 (there is a learning curve and in hoops there is more disparity)... 8-10 (Pac12 is going to be tough!!)... 1-1... 17-15 gets NIT if we had a couple good Pac12 wins. I'm a bit more optimistic than you -- 18 or 19 wins. Though conference should be strong -- especially at top -- other teams have plenty of question marks too. Oregon and UCLA lost a lot of their top players, so it will be interesting to see how long it takes for those teams to mesh the strong talent they brought in. Utah lost Kuzma and Bonam, and I could see them regressing some. Cal lost a lot and can certainly see them being worse than last year. Colorado lost its top two players. ASU lost Graham and Oleka. WSU lost their top two players, and I believe Stanford lost a starter. So certainly can see a route to 9 or 10 conference wins -- though hitting your 8-10 prediction wouldn't surprise me. From the preliminary conference schedule I saw (not sure how correct it is though), a good start will be important as that schedule shows we have Colorado, Utah and Oregon at home to start. Then the Beavers have a very tough stretch -- go to AZ, host the SoCal schools, have Oregon away, and then head to NoCal.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2017 7:20:03 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team, I think that's needed to make the NCAA tourney. Had one last time Beavs were there, in GP II. I think the NIT is a reasonable expectation if Beavs stay healthy. Going to the NIT after last year would be a significant turnaround. Barring injury, Tres Tinkle is likely to have some really good numbers, possibly a triple double or three mixed in. Don't know if you call it game changing or not, but his last 8-10 games of his freshman year he was pushing GP2 on scoring and I think a few other categories. I'm thinking on the whole the surrounding cast might be a bit better this year than a couple years back. I've been thinking 17-18 wins is a lock,22-ish is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 7:57:03 GMT -8
Just an FYI regarding conference scheduling for MBB. It's somewhat unfortunate scheduling that we play some of the weaker teams only once (UT/CO and CAL/S) and have to play the stronger teams (AZ/ASU and USC/UCLA) twice.
Week of Dec. 27-31 Colorado/Utah at Oregon/Oregon State
Week of Jan. 3-7 Oregon at Oregon State
Week of Jan. 10-14 Oregon/Oregon State at Arizona/Arizona State
Week of Jan. 17-21 UCLA/USC at Oregon/Oregon State
Week of Jan. 24-28 Oregon State at Oregon
Week of Jan. 31-Feb. 4 Oregon/Oregon State at California/Stanford
Week of Feb. 7-11 Washington/Washington State at Oregon/Oregon State
Week of Feb. 14-18 Oregon/Oregon State at UCLA/USC
Week of Feb. 21-25 Arizona/Arizona State at Oregon/Oregon State
Week of Feb. 28-March 3 (Regular season concludes Saturday, March 3) Oregon/Oregon State at Washington/Washington State
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 15, 2017 8:36:56 GMT -8
Just an FYI regarding conference scheduling for MBB. It's somewhat unfortunate scheduling that we play some of the weaker teams only once (UT/CO and CAL/S) and have to play the stronger teams (AZ/ASU and USC/UCLA) twice. Week of Dec. 27-31 Colorado/Utah at Oregon/Oregon State Week of Jan. 3-7 Oregon at Oregon State Week of Jan. 10-14 Oregon/Oregon State at Arizona/Arizona State Week of Jan. 17-21 UCLA/USC at Oregon/Oregon State Week of Jan. 24-28 Oregon State at Oregon Week of Jan. 31-Feb. 4 Oregon/Oregon State at California/Stanford Week of Feb. 7-11 Washington/Washington State at Oregon/Oregon State Week of Feb. 14-18 Oregon/Oregon State at UCLA/USC Week of Feb. 21-25 Arizona/Arizona State at Oregon/Oregon State Week of Feb. 28-March 3 (Regular season concludes Saturday, March 3) Oregon/Oregon State at Washington/Washington State But, with the impish pre-season schedule/RPI it does give this team an opportunity for some bigger RPI wins which will be much needed come post season selections.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 15, 2017 9:11:23 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team,
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Tres Tinkle is going to have a monster year. And you will be amazed when you see Ethan Thompson play.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 15, 2017 9:20:20 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team, ================================= Tres Tinkle is going to have a monster year. And you will be amazed when you see Ethan Thompson play. Question... besides highlights have you ever seen ET play? If Tres has a "monster" (depending on your definition) year that means Drew and the other "bigs" are not. This team has one chance to be good... and that is to be a "team". We need 3-5 guys on the glass, not one getting 10+ boards. We need multiple options on offense getting touches with ball and player movement... each capable of going off on any one night. Tres is a fine kid/player, but he is not a "franchise" type that can carry a team on his back for 30 games... he hasn't even played in 30 games in any one season... 33 total over his career! Last season he had a great (6) game run vs weak OOC teams. His 20/8 were not going to continue and he shot .160 from three. He was our best player to that point, but needs to stay healthy, shoot closer to 50% from the floor overall and back up to 32% from three. Our front court needs to share the load with Tres being the leader, but not having to carry the load. I've seen Ethan play in organized and pick up play. He can become a very good player, but this is elite D1 ball, especially when Pac12 play begins. He's not seen that type of overall play when it truly counts. He'll having his growing pains and highlights just like every other newbie. In league we will rarely have the best player on the court. We will need to have the best "team".
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Post by nabeav on Sept 15, 2017 10:09:25 GMT -8
I think we'll go as Eubanks goes. If he can be a legitimate low post scoring threat, we'll be a postseason team. If he's shooting 18 foot jumpers and not drawing doubles (and perhaps more importantly passing out of them quickly) we should have good floor spacing with scoring options nearly everywhere. I too see a big leap forward from Jaquori (not having to play 34 MPG might help overall performance as well) - though I may just be hoping because I see a lot of potential in him.
As far as freshmen/sophomores setting the trajectory - that's true of elite teams because all their juniors and seniors are already in the NBA. Successful OSU teams will be led by upperclassmen, now and probably always.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 15, 2017 11:31:36 GMT -8
I thought Eubanks made a huge improvement from his freshman year to sophomore. If he makes his game more complete, he will be a force and an NBA guy.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 15, 2017 12:33:59 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team, ================================= Tres Tinkle is going to have a monster year. And you will be amazed when you see Ethan Thompson play. Question... besides highlights have you ever seen ET play? If Tres has a "monster" (depending on your definition) year that means Drew and the other "bigs" are not. This team has one chance to be good... and that is to be a "team". We need 3-5 guys on the glass, not one getting 10+ boards. We need multiple options on offense getting touches with ball and player movement... each capable of going off on any one night. Tres is a fine kid/player, but he is not a "franchise" type that can carry a team on his back for 30 games... he hasn't even played in 30 games in any one season... 33 total over his career! Last season he had a great (6) game run vs weak OOC teams. His 20/8 were not going to continue and he shot .160 from three. He was our best player to that point, but needs to stay healthy, shoot closer to 50% from the floor overall and back up to 32% from three. Our front court needs to share the load with Tres being the leader, but not having to carry the load. I've seen Ethan play in organized and pick up play. He can become a very good player, but this is elite D1 ball, especially when Pac12 play begins. He's not seen that type of overall play when it truly counts. He'll having his growing pains and highlights just like every other newbie. In league we will rarely have the best player on the court. We will need to have the best "team". I guess we will see, won't we?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 13:31:45 GMT -8
I trust the Coach when he says Ethan is game-ready: "It was great to see that Ethan was really good, especially early on, like he’d been here for two or three years,” coach Tinkle said, adding that the guard may have tired as the week went on. “He’s making plays at the rim, great ballhandler. We know last year we didn’t have great depth at the point guard position. He’s certainly bringing that.”
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 15, 2017 14:58:37 GMT -8
I thought Eubanks made a huge improvement from his freshman year to sophomore. If he makes his game more complete, he will be a force and an NBA guy. With other quality players like Tres in the there to take the double and triple team off of Eubanks, he should have a double/double average season.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2017 18:52:19 GMT -8
I can't figure out these people who think Tres won't amount to much. He's played only 33 games over parts of two seasons, he's starting his sophomore year, and statistically he's put up numbers which blow away Charlie Sitton's first two years and compare favorably to or better than Charlie's junior year.
Now Charlie came in arguably surrounded by more talent his first two seasons than Tres did, so he didn't need to put up big numbers, but Tres has played very comparable to the level (maybe a bit better as far as rebounds, blocks and steals go) Charlie did year three.
I certainly don't expect a freshman forward, especially one who sat out the previous summers with foot injuries both years, to come in and dominate at this level... not 35 years ago, not now... but he's the closest thing to a dominant freshman forward I think I've seen at OSU since I started following in the mid-70s. I expect his game should take another step forward this year barring injury.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2017 18:59:23 GMT -8
I thought Eubanks made a huge improvement from his freshman year to sophomore. If he makes his game more complete, he will be a force and an NBA guy. With other quality players like Tres in the there to take the double and triple team off of Eubanks, he should have a double/double average season. Last year Eubanks had to play one on three at both ends of the floor a good deal of the time. This year teams won't have the luxury of doing that. This year should be very liberating for Drew compared to last. He should be having more success and more fun this year with the surrounding cast he has now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 16:14:28 GMT -8
I don't see a game-changing talent on this team, I think that's needed to make the NCAA tourney. Had one last time Beavs were there, in GP II. I think the NIT is a reasonable expectation if Beavs stay healthy. Going to the NIT after last year would be a significant turnaround. Tres Tinkle is your game changing talent. I know he isn't on anyone's lottery list but he will have an impact similar to GPII if he can take his vitamins and change his shoes or something to stay healthy. Tres is an above average scorer, i think he will average close to 20. You can build wins around that. He just has a knack for getting the ball in the hoop, inside or outside, home or away. Winning teams have a go to guy for buckets. That's him. The other guys, well there's some pieces in the cupboard, let's see if they sum up into a team or if they still look like just each guy doing his own thing, like last year.. Eubanks big boy pants should fit him now. There is no excuse for him not to win his matchup game in and game out, beating his man to spots, and not losing track of the back door (so many layups last year ARRGGH). He's got to winning the finer points of the game if he wants the NBA to open for him. If he realizes the GMs care more about his lowlight reel than his highlight reel he will become the kind of team player that merits a high draft pick. If the beavs are a good team it will revolve around him and they will beat a path to his door. I'm still not sure about our guards, Stevie got off to a really slow start last year, im not convinced Mcquori is fast enough to be a pg, E Thompson is still learning. Frontcourt good, backcourt?
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Post by bbfan on Sept 21, 2017 14:33:58 GMT -8
NIT for sure---outside shot at NCAA if a lot of things go right
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