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Post by grackle on Sept 13, 2017 7:16:04 GMT -8
.....he would (and should) be gone by mid-season. But this is OSU and we don't have Nike $$$ to bail us out of mistakes like the CGA hire. Thus, as others have pointed out, we are almost surely stuck with a FB team which is likely to get even worse for this year and at least the 2018 season as well.
Unfortunately, we might as well begin to at least try to deal with that reality.
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 13, 2017 7:22:36 GMT -8
can't argue with that reality we can all see. When they first hired a guy whose resume was only a couple of good years at Utah State I was skeptical as hell
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 7:39:46 GMT -8
.....he would (and should) be gone by mid-season. But this is OSU and we don't have Nike $$$ to bail us out of mistakes like the CGA hire. Thus, as others have pointed out, we are almost surely stuck with a FB team which is likely to get even worse for this year and at least the 2018 season as well. Unfortunately, we might as well begin to at least try to deal with that reality. It is kind of a broken record at this point. But we are in the worse of catch 22's. Can't afford to fire him, can't really afford to not fire him. The longer we keep him, the more fans leave, the less revenue we have, the lower interest we have, the crappier recruits we get, etc. We fire him, we are on the hook for a large portion of his remaining contract. any offsets he has will be minimal, as he would likely need to DC for a few years to rehab his image. As Mike84 pointed out in another thread, the fans are in a catch22 as well. We are upset and want our voices heard. we do not want to support this train wreck... but if we pull our support it just makes it that much harder to turn this ship around. it puts us under that much more hardship. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't right now. Fire him and be screwed. Don't fire him and be screwed. Support the program and nothing changes, Don't support the program and it hurts improvement. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 13, 2017 7:40:56 GMT -8
Just wondering, could St. Dennis straighten out this mess in the interim? Or would he even want to try?
Go Beavs!!
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 13, 2017 7:42:28 GMT -8
.....he would (and should) be gone by mid-season. But this is OSU and we don't have Nike $$$ to bail us out of mistakes like the CGA hire. Thus, as others have pointed out, we are almost surely stuck with a FB team which is likely to get even worse for this year and at least the 2018 season as well. Unfortunately, we might as well begin to at least try to deal with that reality. It is kind of a broken record at this point. But we are in the worse of catch 22's. Can't afford to fire him, can't really afford to not fire him. The longer we keep him, the more fans leave, the less revenue we have, the lower interest we have, the crappier recruits we get, etc. We fire him, we are on the hook for a large portion of his remaining contract. any offsets he has will be minimal, as he would likely need to DC for a few years to rehab his image. As Mike84 pointed out in another thread, the fans are in a catch22 as well. We are upset and want our voices heard. we do not want to support this train wreck... but if we pull our support it just makes it that much harder to turn this ship around. it puts us under that much more hardship. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't right now. Fire him and be screwed. Don't fire him and be screwed. Support the program and nothing changes, Don't support the program and it hurts improvement. In my opinion, the only thing in our (fans) control is whether or not we decide to support the team from a financial standpoint. I, for one, will continue to contribute. I'm doing it for the players and for the program, certainly not for GA. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 13, 2017 8:10:50 GMT -8
Just wondering, could St. Dennis straighten out this mess in the interim? Or would he even want to try? Go Beavs!! He's 70. You'll have to track him down on the back 9 to get your answer. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 8:25:53 GMT -8
It is kind of a broken record at this point. But we are in the worse of catch 22's. Can't afford to fire him, can't really afford to not fire him. The longer we keep him, the more fans leave, the less revenue we have, the lower interest we have, the crappier recruits we get, etc. We fire him, we are on the hook for a large portion of his remaining contract. any offsets he has will be minimal, as he would likely need to DC for a few years to rehab his image. As Mike84 pointed out in another thread, the fans are in a catch22 as well. We are upset and want our voices heard. we do not want to support this train wreck... but if we pull our support it just makes it that much harder to turn this ship around. it puts us under that much more hardship. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't right now. Fire him and be screwed. Don't fire him and be screwed. Support the program and nothing changes, Don't support the program and it hurts improvement. In my opinion, the only thing in our (fans) control is whether or not we decide to support the team from a financial standpoint. I, for one, will continue to contribute. I'm doing it for the players and for the program, certainly not for GA. Except you'd have to make a lot of haywire connections to believe your $ actually go to the players. The infrastructure is there for the players... schollies, food, equipment, and training staff etc is taken care of and not suddenly disappearing because season tix or BASF donations for football decrease. Our fan $ goes to a more "generic" fund/pool... basically you reimburse the debt to OSU and bonds we have out etc. Players will notice less fans, not less "stuff" within the program. Each person deals with their finances and "votes" how they want. But, for example, season ticket sales go toward a bonus in GAG's contract... 5% of the $ for greater than 23k tix. Donations to football are a vote for the current regime while hoping for better results. My "vote" has just shifted... more votes for men's and women's hoops, swimming, golf, and baseball. I didn't decrease but actually added support, just not to this "process". Next year it'll shift more if things don't change. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 13, 2017 8:36:35 GMT -8
I've been on this ride before and it took awhile to get off.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 8:54:56 GMT -8
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Post by bennyorange on Sept 13, 2017 8:55:29 GMT -8
I've been on this ride before and it took awhile to get off. 28 attempts if I recall correctly and I was there for all of it. Interestingly enough those were some of the best times I had watching Beaver football. I was still young and stupid and the games were a reason to gather with friends, drink too much, and scream at our futility. Each year brought hope that maybe THIS would be the year we would win more than 2 or 3 games. Way more often than not we didn't. The Avezanno years were the trough though we continued to try and compete with inferior talent and facilities through the Kragthrope and Pettibone era. Both of those guys gave us some hope and resurrected interest in the program but neither could sustain it for a variety of reasons.
At least Kragthorpe and Pettibone had a "system" and tried to make it work. This guy is still trying to decide what frigging system he wants to run on both O and D and changes direction at the drop of a hat. For a guy who keeps talking about "the process" I sure as hell can't tell what the process is.
I could survive 28 losing seasons in my 20's and 30's but find that the prospect of going back there may be enough to terminate my devotion to Beaver football and the time and money commitment that entails. I probably spend at least $3,000 on donations and tickets and that doesn't count the time and money to attend the games. The value proposition is not a good one at this point and I fear it will be years before it gets turned around - if ever.
These are dark days in Beaverdom.....
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 9:41:25 GMT -8
I've been on this ride before and it took awhile to get off. 28 attempts if I recall correctly and I was there for all of it. Interestingly enough those were some of the best times I had watching Beaver football. I was still young and stupid and the games were a reason to gather with friends, drink too much, and scream at our futility. Each year brought hope that maybe THIS would be the year we would win more than 2 or 3 games. Way more often than not we didn't. The Avezanno years were the trough though we continued to try and compete with inferior talent and facilities through the Kragthrope and Pettibone era. Both of those guys gave us some hope and resurrected interest in the program but neither could sustain it for a variety of reasons.
At least Kragthorpe and Pettibone had a "system" and tried to make it work. This guy is still trying to decide what frigging system he wants to run on both O and D and changes direction at the drop of a hat. For a guy who keeps talking about "the process" I sure as hell can't tell what the process is.
I could survive 28 losing seasons in my 20's and 30's but find that the prospect of going back there may be enough to terminate my devotion to Beaver football and the time and money commitment that entails. I probably spend at least $3,000 on donations and tickets and that doesn't count the time and money to attend the games. The value proposition is not a good one at this point and I fear it will be years before it gets turned around - if ever.
These are dark days in Beaverdom.....
I hear ya about yesteryear. Fun fun times... but, even though my memories are faded, or in some cases exaggerated (damn those bota bags... $9.99 on Amazon... of purple Jesus) I never remember thinking "this is the year". More a game by game hope, "ok, this is the game". And every once in a while... 😄 |
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 13, 2017 10:01:12 GMT -8
can't argue with that reality we can all see. When they first hired a guy whose resume was only a couple of good years at Utah State I was skeptical as hell I cannot believe how light his experience is for a person in his coaching prime. If one is light in experience, he has to be surrounded by people who have experience and/or mad skills. CGA has not done that. I look at Justin Wilcox at Cal. He's relatively young. He is surrounded by an OC who was a successful HC/guru on O......and DC who was also successful as an HC....That's what you do. As TB said recently in another post, get a Jonathan Smith or Lubick and support them with older coaches as mentors. I doubt if he'd do it but yeah. Dennis Erickson. Somebody substantial who's been there and done that at the very highest level of P5 D1 football. But, back to CGA. He's very light in experience. He's not Pac-12 quality in name/experience/skills. He's middle of the road mid-major all the way. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 10:08:47 GMT -8
can't argue with that reality we can all see. When they first hired a guy whose resume was only a couple of good years at Utah State I was skeptical as hell I cannot believe how light his experience is for a person in his coaching prime. If one is light in experience, he has to be surrounded by people who have experience and/or mad skills. CGA has not done that. I look at Justin Wilcox at Cal. He's relatively young. He is surrounded by an OC who was a successful HC/guru on O......and DC who was also successful as an HC....That's what you do. As TB said recently in another post, get a Jonathan Smith or Lubick and support them with older coaches as mentors. I doubt if he'd do it but yeah. Dennis Erickson. Somebody substantial who's been there and done that at the very highest level of P5 D1 football. But, back to CGA. He's very light in experience. He's not Pac-12 quality in name/experience/skills. He's middle of the road mid-major all the way. It is worth noting that the ONE coach he brought on with a wealth of experience was Dave Baldwin. Coaching since 1978, some 15ish years OC experience. He was busted down to WR coach after 2015, in a year where there was reported infighting among he and other coaches. I think now with some more experience under our belt, one has to wonder is Dave Baldwin was insubordinate to CGA's moronic ideas, and that was the source of the fighting among coaches. I dunno, but it is interesting. I view that drama with a slightly different lens now. Every other coach on this team has accomplished exactly jack and squat... and the amount of success at both the D-1 level and the pac-12 is even more lacking... |
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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 13, 2017 10:11:20 GMT -8
Sonny Dykes is looking for a job - if not HC an OC position.
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 13, 2017 10:44:35 GMT -8
Atown. Totally correct. Dave Baldwin has that experience. I find it strange that he was replaced basically by McGiven? Huh? Don't get that one.....other than McGiven is probably a CGA BB(bitch boy).
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