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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 16:19:44 GMT -8
Well... I try to only share info when a pertinent issue comes up. And, none of the people I talk to on a pretty regular basis (during football season anyway) have ever said not say anything. And they know I post on here. BUT... I realize it is hearsay and not really 'factual' as it involves interpretation and maybe 3rd, 4th hand by the time it is shared. I will also say none of the parties I talk to are anti GAG other than he seems to have even the staffers divided. He seems to be a good man with good intentions. However, as one of the staffers would say, "so was Ritchie Mackay at first"!!!! So, there is that...
But... to those offended by repeated gossip no matter who is the source I'll refrain from sharing. GAG doesn't need help with negativity, and the back stories really do not matter. It's reasons or results! If we had results over the last 27 games those of us frustrated early on by the 'quick to hire' process would be a very quiet bunch. But, when it goes this wrong, there is no reason to state "I told you so"... besides we all hate those guys!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 16:31:50 GMT -8
To put in simply, GAG has never 'stayed away' from the offense. From past comments, it also sounds like another problem is not just that he meddles in the offense, but that he meddles in the WORST possible way. He has admitted in past interviews how some of the technical stuff the offensive guys are saying when he walks in the room is like greek and way above his head (which...oh man, don't even get me started on that coming out of the mouth of a head coach in THIS conference). Which tells me that he isn't involved in any deep way in offensive planning or strategizing, but instead is acting like those sh!tty managers we've all had who will override our analysis from the trenches. I can just see Andersen reviewing a gameplan after all the coaches stayed up all night over the weekend reviewing game film, and him saying, "why is HE starting? No, no, this guy will do much better against this defense." It's like we have the pointy-haired boss as our coach. Maybe that will be my acronym...PHC (Pointy-Haired Coach). Very good pull and very good take...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2017 16:32:17 GMT -8
Well... I try to only share info when a pertinent issue comes up. And, none of the people I talk to on a pretty regular basis (during football season anyway) have ever said not say anything. And they know I post on here. BUT... I realize it is hearsay and not really 'factual' as it involves interpretation and maybe 3rd, 4th hand by the time it is shared. I will also say none of the parties I talk to are anti GAG other than he seems to have even the staffers divided. He seems to be a good man with good intentions. However, as one of the staffers would say, "so was Ritchie Mackay at first"!!!! So, there is that... But... to those offended by repeated gossip no matter who is the source I'll refrain from sharing. GAG doesn't need help with negativity, and the back stories really do not matter. It's reasons or results! If we had results over the last 27 games those of us frustrated early on by the 'quick to hire' process would be a very quiet bunch. But, when it goes this wrong, there is no reason to state "I told you so"... besides we all hate those guys! Meh, F everyone else. If you hear something through your channels, let me know, and I will do the same. I try and share what I know and where it is coming from with the board, when I believe it is true. My personal network has broken down over the past couple of years, but I still know people who know people.
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 13, 2017 17:19:39 GMT -8
To put in simply, GAG has never 'stayed away' from the offense. From past comments, it also sounds like another problem is not just that he meddles in the offense, but that he meddles in the WORST possible way. He has admitted in past interviews how some of the technical stuff the offensive guys are saying when he walks in the room is like greek and way above his head (which...oh man, don't even get me started on that coming out of the mouth of a head coach in THIS conference). Which tells me that he isn't involved in any deep way in offensive planning or strategizing, but instead is acting like those sh!tty managers we've all had who will override our analysis from the trenches. I can just see Andersen reviewing a gameplan after all the coaches stayed up all night over the weekend reviewing game film, and him saying, "why is HE starting? No, no, this guy will do much better against this defense." It's like we have the pointy-haired boss as our coach. Maybe that will be my acronym...PHC (Pointy-Haired Coach). So, if true, this does not bode well for the Beavs. I am mad and sad, now.
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Post by tennesseebeaver on Sept 13, 2017 17:45:01 GMT -8
I am not in Oregon so I don't have the daily feed from the media on this, but here are some points to ponder.
1) Being a P5 Head Coach is similar to being a CEO of a mid sized company. Does GA sound like a CEO? Think about the successful guys out there. 2) A good CEO is smart enough to bring in great people and get out of their way on the tactics. Is this happening with GA? Does he have an overall strategy? I for one am not sure we are committed to running a spread offense with a Pro Style QB personnel. 3) Does he have good people he brought in? For now I only see Baldwin as one who is that person that has been mentioned? Are the rest "yes men"? 4) When a division is taking on water in business, you cut your losses. I have heard two scenarios on our potential losses: a) the fans disengage and and the status quo happens, but you kick the can down the road (like US Congress), and hope for the best, or b) you fire GA and you have a huge financial commitment in dead money and an uncertain future. Which poison do you take?
I vote to whatever "BRINGS THE SWAGGER BACK"
TB
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 14, 2017 10:45:45 GMT -8
From past comments, it also sounds like another problem is not just that he meddles in the offense, but that he meddles in the WORST possible way. He has admitted in past interviews how some of the technical stuff the offensive guys are saying when he walks in the room is like greek and way above his head (which...oh man, don't even get me started on that coming out of the mouth of a head coach in THIS conference). Which tells me that he isn't involved in any deep way in offensive planning or strategizing, but instead is acting like those sh!tty managers we've all had who will override our analysis from the trenches. I can just see Andersen reviewing a gameplan after all the coaches stayed up all night over the weekend reviewing game film, and him saying, "why is HE starting? No, no, this guy will do much better against this defense." It's like we have the pointy-haired boss as our coach. Maybe that will be my acronym...PHC (Pointy-Haired Coach). Very good pull and very good take... This thing is multi-dimensional with the coaching staff. Baldwin's issues go deeper than disagreeing on personnel issues, he was an utter trainwreck on gameday - emotional outbursts and incorrect calls/formations/personnel groupings etc. It's one thing to be the one who butts heads with the HC but if you butt heads with the HC AND you are crapping the bed with your job when the lights are on, it's curtains. That being said, I think we have dysfunction from multiple, multiple levels.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 14, 2017 10:59:48 GMT -8
Very good pull and very good take... This thing is multi-dimensional with the coaching staff. Baldwin's issues go deeper than disagreeing on personnel issues, he was an utter trainwreck on gameday - emotional outbursts and incorrect calls/formations/personnel groupings etc. It's one thing to be the one who butts heads with the HC but if you butt heads with the HC AND you are crapping the bed with your job when the lights are on, it's curtains. That being said, I think we have dysfunction from multiple, multiple levels. I heard this too. It is not something you expect from a coach with 40 years of experience and 15 of them being an OC... It makes me wonder if the reason for sucking, for having outbursts, for calling wrong things and messing up with what plays go with what formations and stuff was that none of it was really his. I cannot honestly believe punting Del Rio and bringing in Seth Collins was Baldwins call. Knowing what we know about the offenses he has run before. what he ran at CSU, how he used Grayson.... I don't buy it. I buy Baldwin was told: You are going to do this... it was not his bag, he sucked at it and he was angry he had to do it. Lets be clear about one thing... McGiven's lips are so far up CGA's ass he is tasting today's breakfast... CGA and McGiven's hatched this abortion of an offense. Baldwin was expected to make it work. That is my narrative and I am sticking to it.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 14, 2017 11:47:50 GMT -8
I have no desire to try to decipher what has gone wrong in this program.
The facts are showing on Saturdays. We've been blown out by a middling MWC team, outplayed by a middling FCS team on our home field, and destroyed by a bottom-dwelling Big Ten team that is in year one of a coaching transition that also included mass player turnover and scandal - at home.
This all qualifies as "not good".
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 14, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -8
This thing is multi-dimensional with the coaching staff. Baldwin's issues go deeper than disagreeing on personnel issues, he was an utter trainwreck on gameday - emotional outbursts and incorrect calls/formations/personnel groupings etc. It's one thing to be the one who butts heads with the HC but if you butt heads with the HC AND you are crapping the bed with your job when the lights are on, it's curtains. That being said, I think we have dysfunction from multiple, multiple levels. I heard this too. It is not something you expect from a coach with 40 years of experience and 15 of them being an OC... It makes me wonder if the reason for sucking, for having outbursts, for calling wrong things and messing up with what plays go with what formations and stuff was that none of it was really his. I cannot honestly believe punting El Dio and bringing in Seth Collins was Baldwins call. Knowing what we know about the offenses he has run before. what he ran at CSU, how he used Grayson.... I don't buy it. I buy Baldwin was told: You are going to do this... it was not his bag, he sucked at it and he was angry he had to do it. Lets be clear about one thing... McGiven's lips are so far up CGA's ass he is tasting today's breakfast... CGA and McGiven's hatched this abortion of an offense. Baldwin was expected to make it work. That is my narrative and I am sticking to it. There was more to it... but, that's all that needs to be said. But, IF he was running his "own" system with players he thought "fit" the problems would have been greatly reduced.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 14, 2017 14:15:34 GMT -8
this narrative finally makes some sense to me.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 14, 2017 15:04:09 GMT -8
I heard this too. It is not something you expect from a coach with 40 years of experience and 15 of them being an OC... It makes me wonder if the reason for sucking, for having outbursts, for calling wrong things and messing up with what plays go with what formations and stuff was that none of it was really his. I cannot honestly believe punting El Dio and bringing in Seth Collins was Baldwins call. Knowing what we know about the offenses he has run before. what he ran at CSU, how he used Grayson.... I don't buy it. I buy Baldwin was told: You are going to do this... it was not his bag, he sucked at it and he was angry he had to do it. Lets be clear about one thing... McGiven's lips are so far up CGA's ass he is tasting today's breakfast... CGA and McGiven's hatched this abortion of an offense. Baldwin was expected to make it work. That is my narrative and I am sticking to it. There was more to it... but, that's all that needs to be said. But, IF he was running his "own" system with players he thought "fit" the problems would have been greatly reduced. Ain't nobody on earth is going to convince me that we weren't going to be better off with a spread passing attack featuring Del Rio, Storm Woods and RS fresh Nall, a healthy Seumalo, Victor Bolden, Jordan Villamin, Richard Mullany (he stays with a competent passing QB, in a spread passing offense). The absolute bread and butter of what Baldwin did at CSU. Here is the corn nugget on the s%#t sandwich of CGA's choices... IF he let that happen. IF he goes with a 3/4 WR base shotgun spread pass... he is 80% of the way to read-option with incremental changes to his players. He still brings in Seth Collins (or another target) that kid RS, learns the game, and sits behind jr and sr year Del Rio... and takes over as a savvy game ready Junior. OR erase the seth collins idea, and we still even bring in Luton, except he is #2 behind a Senior Del Rio and ready to keep the ship rolling in year 4. and we don't spend 3 years flailing around, wallowing in vapid incompetence. drives me crazy. I just cannot fathom how any sane person would make the choices he made.
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Post by caladin on Sept 14, 2017 16:07:18 GMT -8
There was more to it... but, that's all that needs to be said. But, IF he was running his "own" system with players he thought "fit" the problems would have been greatly reduced. Ain't nobody on earth is going to convince me that we weren't going to be better off with a spread passing attack featuring El Dio, Storm Woods and RS fresh Nall, a healthy Seumalo, Victor Bolden, Jordan Villamin, Richard Mullany (he stays with a competent passing QB, in a spread passing offense). The absolute bread and butter of what Baldwin did at CSU. Here is the corn nugget on the s%#t sandwich of CGA's choices... IF he let that happen. IF he goes with a 3/4 WR base shotgun spread pass... he is 80% of the way to read-option with incremental changes to his players. He still brings in Seth Collins (or another target) that kid RS, learns the game, and sits behind jr and sr year El Dio... and takes over as a savvy game ready Junior. OR erase the seth collins idea, and we still even bring in Luton, except he is #2 behind a Senior El Dio and ready to keep the ship rolling in year 4. and we don't spend 3 years flailing around, wallowing in vapid incompetence. drives me crazy. I just cannot fathom how any sane person would make the choices he made. I will tell you how this happens. Frustration. He went to Wiscy, probably with promises he could run the same offense, then found he was not going to be allowed to do that by Barry. So he shows up here and hell be damned he was going to run his offense no matter what. That was probably one reason he came here. To get back full control. Besides it worked at Utah State. He ran off the players that did not fit his vision, brought in the ones that did, and voila. Why would it not work here? It was not insanity. It was a combination of experience and frustration. Although frustration can make you do insane things.
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Post by combatsports4life on Sept 15, 2017 18:48:26 GMT -8
Ain't nobody on earth is going to convince me that we weren't going to be better off with a spread passing attack featuring El Dio, Storm Woods and RS fresh Nall, a healthy Seumalo, Victor Bolden, Jordan Villamin, Richard Mullany (he stays with a competent passing QB, in a spread passing offense). The absolute bread and butter of what Baldwin did at CSU. Here is the corn nugget on the s%#t sandwich of CGA's choices... IF he let that happen. IF he goes with a 3/4 WR base shotgun spread pass... he is 80% of the way to read-option with incremental changes to his players. He still brings in Seth Collins (or another target) that kid RS, learns the game, and sits behind jr and sr year El Dio... and takes over as a savvy game ready Junior. OR erase the seth collins idea, and we still even bring in Luton, except he is #2 behind a Senior El Dio and ready to keep the ship rolling in year 4. and we don't spend 3 years flailing around, wallowing in vapid incompetence. drives me crazy. I just cannot fathom how any sane person would make the choices he made. I will tell you how this happens. Frustration. He went to Wiscy, probably with promises he could run the same offense, then found he was not going to be allowed to do that by Barry. So he shows up here and hell be damned he was going to run his offense no matter what. That was probably one reason he came here. To get back full control. Besides it worked at Utah State. He ran off the players that did not fit his vision, brought in the ones that did, and voila. Why would it not work here? It was not insanity. It was a combination of experience and frustration. Although frustration can make you do insane things. He was implementing his offense at Wisconsin. Honestly a lot of us were excited by it initially. The problem that became very obvious was that he/staff were not good at evaluating quarterback recruits. None of the guys he recruited are with the program and none of them are starting as a QB anywhere. In fact his two highest profile recruits are at different positions now. He got McEvoy who was supposed to be the guy and ended up being a hell of a WR and Safety. So there's that.
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