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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2017 17:15:56 GMT -8
As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. |
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 13, 2017 17:36:02 GMT -8
As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. To be "in the know" to answer that question would require that a person be familiar with how well each individual assistant recruits. I doubt you will find anyone who has such knowledge on this board, as it would require somehow getting a lot of inside information. Also, by asking the question, there seems to be the implication that you think something is wrong with WBB recruiting... that it should be doing better. Is that so? If it is, how do you come to that conclusion? Given that you think Scott has a "great basketball 'mind'", why would you think he would need help from the AD in hiring his assistants? I agree with you that he does have such a mind and, because of that, I gravitate towards trusting his judgement when it comes to hiring. What could an AD do anyway (within the bounds of NCAA regulations)? I don't mean to pick on you for asking the question. I just find it an odd question to ask and am curious as to what is behind it. |
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Post by freddiekruger on Feb 13, 2017 18:18:18 GMT -8
jo As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. To be "in the know" to answer that question would require that a person be familiar with how well each individual assistant recruits. I doubt you will find anyone who has such knowledge on this board, as it would require somehow getting a lot of inside information. Also, by asking the question, there seems to be the implication that you think something is wrong with WBB recruiting... that it should be doing better. Is that so? If it is, how do you come to that conclusion? Given that you think Scott has a "great basketball 'mind'", why would you think he would need help from the AD in hiring his assistants? I agree with you that he does have such a mind and, because of that, I gravitate towards trusting his judgement when it comes to hiring. What could an AD do anyway (within the bounds of NCAA regulations)? I don't mean to pick on you for asking the question. I just find it an odd question to ask and am curious as to what is behind it. Steve, He has probably heard the same banter out there at the game two weeks ago. I heard this from a handful of others this last week too. There is a movement out there that some are suggestion that Coach Ruecks natural progression would to become the next mens coach in the making . Hiring a solid assistant on the womens side would be part of that progression in process. The current assistants are not head coach ready yet. This would provide for the best transition plan to find a coach that is ready. It has at least been thrown out there in discussions if coach Tinkle does not turn it around next year to some respectable level. I would like to find out more but doubt they would say anything at this point. |
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Post by beavdowg on Feb 13, 2017 18:40:33 GMT -8
As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. To be "in the know" to answer that question would require that a person be familiar with how well each individual assistant recruits. I doubt you will find anyone who has such knowledge on this board, as it would require somehow getting a lot of inside information. Also, by asking the question, there seems to be the implication that you think something is wrong with WBB recruiting... that it should be doing better. Is that so? If it is, how do you come to that conclusion? Given that you think Scott has a "great basketball 'mind'", why would you think he would need help from the AD in hiring his assistants? I agree with you that he does have such a mind and, because of that, I gravitate towards trusting his judgement when it comes to hiring. What could an AD do anyway (within the bounds of NCAA regulations)? I don't mean to pick on you for asking the question. I just find it an odd question to ask and am curious as to what is behind it. Beavsteve, I understand your argument regarding the question the OP posted. However, I would like to add one element that would defend the OP's notion that a "good basketball mind" could also be someone that might not be a great recruiter. I offer up Mike Riley as exhibit A. Mike Riley has a good football mind. Some might say he has a great offensive football mind. However, I think many would also agree that Riley was not a great recruiter, or even a good recruiter. By the same token I think we would all agree that Riley wasn't necessarily great at picking out his assistants either, exhibit B: Banker, ST dude, and his last OC in Corvallis. So, my point is that I think it is entirely possible for a good coach to simultaneously be a not-so-great recruiter. In Rueck's case, however, I think he is a good recruiter as well as a great coach. Having said that, I sure would like to see him close on some of the 5-star gals that we've been super close on. I'm just debating for the sake of debating because I disagree with your disagreement with the OP. Go Beavs! |
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 13, 2017 19:18:19 GMT -8
Other than the salary for the men's coach, Rueck would not be progressing by being the coach-in-waiting. That is an insult to women's basketball and an insult to Rueck who loves the women's game. Total bull that Rueck is entertaining that option.
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 13, 2017 20:28:42 GMT -8
Beavsteve, I understand your argument regarding the question the OP posted. However, I would like to add one element that would defend the OP's notion that a "good basketball mind" could also be someone that might not be a great recruiter. I offer up Mike Riley as exhibit A. Mike Riley has a good football mind. Some might say he has a great offensive football mind. However, I think many would also agree that Riley was not a great recruiter, or even a good recruiter. By the same token I think we would all agree that Riley wasn't necessarily great at picking out his assistants either, exhibit B: Banker, ST dude, and his last OC in Corvallis. So, my point is that I think it is entirely possible for a good coach to simultaneously be a not-so-great recruiter. In Rueck's case, however, I think he is a good recruiter as well as a great coach. Having said that, I sure would like to see him close on some of the 5-star gals that we've been super close on. I'm just debating for the sake of debating because I disagree with your disagreement with the OP. Go Beavs! True, he could be a poor recruiter, however he has not necessarily hired bad recruiters as assistants. Looking at who we have recruited, I'd say that there has only been one clear mistake (I won't mention names), and one for which the jury is still out. Could we have recruited better than we have? Maybe, but how could anyone know without being in the minds of the recruits and privy to the details of the recruiting process? It is up to Rueck to ask the AD for help if he thinks there is something he can do (like offer higher salaries). Rueck knows if his assistants aren't delivering on the recruiting trail and he can fire them if he likes. I don't see how anyone would be a better judge than the coach. |
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Post by lefty on Feb 13, 2017 21:00:13 GMT -8
I have a concern on our Women's BB recruiting. Don't get me wrong because I think SR is the best coach we have had in any sport (along with Pat Casey)in a long time. I was disappointed with the ucks success in recruiting this year's Freshman class especially when I read the article that their asst coach (name escapes me) was our assistant and stated that he was the lead recruiter while he was here and claims our success was due to his recruiting. I would say "hogwash" if it wasn't for what looks like the ucks are going to be the dominating team for next three years. To me we should be able to persuade the best talent to play for a national successful team which we are. I know we recruited Ionescu hard, but how about the others?
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 13, 2017 21:06:00 GMT -8
Rueck is the best recruiter at OSU in any sport not named Pat Casey. The last women's basketball recruiting class was OSU's best ever and is ranked either 17 or 12 depending on the service. The class before was OSU's best ever prior to that. He's already landed the #27 player in the next class and he's landing talent at a program with a poor history of competition in the sport and overshadowed in the conference by one of the nation's best ever programs - Stanford. He has good assistants, he doesn't need help there.
What he needs from fans is for them to get their rear ends in the seats. Attendance this season is below last year's levels as folks were expecting a rebuilding year and a lower finish. Yet this team currently is at 23-3 and tied for 1st with 4 games remaining in the regular season. That's a 0.885 winning percentage, better than the two previous seasons, both conference champs.
The best way to help Scott in recruiting is to fill Gill and let the opponents and officials know that you're there.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 13, 2017 21:15:07 GMT -8
Hmm, for those who think he can't recruit. Well, he did manage to land a 5 star recruit named National "female athlete of the year" in Pivek, and enough talent the last couple of years to maintain a top 10 or so rating after 2 All-Americans left. Somehow he's managed to build a pretty good team, I think there's some talent there.
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Post by elmirabeaver on Feb 13, 2017 21:19:50 GMT -8
The best way to help Scott in recruiting is to fill Gill and let the opponents and officials know that you're there. I'm getting to as many as possible! <GG> How ya doin Prof? Ready for baseball? The Elmira Beaver |
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 13, 2017 21:35:07 GMT -8
The best way to help Scott in recruiting is to fill Gill and let the opponents and officials know that you're there. I'm getting to as many as possible! <GG> How ya doin Prof? Ready for baseball? The Elmira Beaver I'm doing fine thanks. Yes, I'm ready for baseball - got my season tickets in the mail today! |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Feb 13, 2017 22:46:41 GMT -8
What he needs from fans is for them to get their rear ends in the seats. Attendance this season is below last year's levels as folks were expecting a rebuilding year and a lower finish. Yet this team currently is at 23-3 and tied for 1st with 4 games remaining in the regular season. That's a 0.885 winning percentage, better than the two previous seasons, both conference champs. The best way to help Scott in recruiting is to fill Gill and let the opponents and officials know that you're there. I believe that the OBN benefit of an all sports (or 7 sport or name your number) pass did not apply to WBB this year. I imagine tickets are "family friendly" But any decrease in numbers should be made up by increased revenue. I know $$$ doesn't yell very loud and shake the rim at opponent FT time |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 14, 2017 7:38:03 GMT -8
As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. I don't think you're going to find anyone "In the know" posting on this message board. As one not in the know, Rueck's most recent recruiting has been the best of his entire OSU tenure. I also wouldn't necessarily agree with you that PAC-12 competition is "getting more and more difficult" it's always been difficult. *ucks have come back from the dead somewhat. No surprise there, they want to win just like everyone else and they are going to compete. We should expect nothing less. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 14, 2017 8:30:11 GMT -8
jo To be "in the know" to answer that question would require that a person be familiar with how well each individual assistant recruits. I doubt you will find anyone who has such knowledge on this board, as it would require somehow getting a lot of inside information. Also, by asking the question, there seems to be the implication that you think something is wrong with WBB recruiting... that it should be doing better. Is that so? If it is, how do you come to that conclusion? Given that you think Scott has a "great basketball 'mind'", why would you think he would need help from the AD in hiring his assistants? I agree with you that he does have such a mind and, because of that, I gravitate towards trusting his judgement when it comes to hiring. What could an AD do anyway (within the bounds of NCAA regulations)? I don't mean to pick on you for asking the question. I just find it an odd question to ask and am curious as to what is behind it. Steve, He has probably heard the same banter out there at the game two weeks ago. I heard this from a handful of others this last week too. There is a movement out there that some are suggestion that Coach Ruecks natural progression would to become the next mens coach in the making . Hiring a solid assistant on the womens side would be part of that progression in process. The current assistants are not head coach ready yet. This would provide for the best transition plan to find a coach that is ready. It has at least been thrown out there in discussions if coach Tinkle does not turn it around next year to some respectable level. I would like to find out more but doubt they would say anything at this point. I will bet you any amount you care to name that Scott Rueck will never be OSU men's head basketball coach. Notwithstanding any, "movement out there that some are suggesting". I've read a lot of silly things posted on this board, but that is right up there. Not to say Pat Casey wouldn't make a great softball coach, but... |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 14, 2017 9:52:02 GMT -8
As a relative newcomer to the site, I have many questions.
I am convinced that Coach Scott is a tremendous teacher and motivator. I also think he has a great basketball "mind".
. It seems clear that he has a certain template of the type of players he likes (outstanding work ethic, good character, team first, etc.). That being said, the PAC 12 competition is getting more and more difficult, and it would seem imperative that OSU be doing everything possible to get the players that Scott would like to have.
The question for those of you in the "Know"-Does he have the necessary assistants to recruit the talent he wants to have at OSU? If not, the new Athletic Director should do everything possible to be sure the resources are available to have the necessary assistant coaches who are able to recruit that talent. I don't think you're going to find anyone "In the know" posting on this message board. You'd be surprised who reads and posts at Benny's House. |
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