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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 26, 2024 13:12:34 GMT -8
Give me Hawaii at this point. Deep Thought duJour: Aloha means hello. It also means goodbye.
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Post by hometownbeaver on Sept 26, 2024 13:17:31 GMT -8
There's always Western Oregon or we could make a pass at linfield.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 26, 2024 13:33:02 GMT -8
The prospects of joining the Pac 12 were also zero. There is a reason they have dubbed the name Sac 12! I don't disagree with you. It’s a ridiculous long shot. But if they are going to make the effort to move up in ranks, and the only thing holding them back is their facilities, at some point you need to upgrade the facilities. It's not like this hasn't happened before at other former FCS universities. I can think of 15 or so schools that have moved up in ranks the past 20 years, few of which being in a market the size of Sacramento. December 2014. Sac St students reject funding for new 5000 seat arena 80% against to 20% for. amp.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article4276742.htmlSo 10 years ago? They just approved a bump in fees this year, and the football stadium apparently is already funded (per linked story), so not sure where you are going with this. Will they get an on campus basketball arena built too? Probably not soon but clearly Sac State is making the effort to get FBS status. And as states before, there is an NBA arena about 5 miles away they may be able use in interim. I guess they already have an interim plan, approved last year by students www.sacbee.com/news/local/article281818453.html
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 26, 2024 13:46:05 GMT -8
To the idiots in the media writing that the Pac-7 and the MWC are now essentially equal conferences:
* There have been 10 full-season MWC championship games. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, USU and CSU have combined to win all 10.
* There have been 10 championship-game runners-up. Boise, Fresno, CSU, USU and SDSU have combined for seven of those 2nd-place finishes.
* Our teams have filled 17 of the 20 championship-game berths. Theirs have filled three.
We got the best. They kept the rest.
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Post by sparty on Sept 26, 2024 13:59:14 GMT -8
Basically the Memphis AD said the pac12 offer smelled like poop. And it looks like UNLV and Airforce got 20 to 25 million from the MWC to stay. There seems to be a bunch of bozos still in the pac12 offices. Is Larry and George still walking in the hallways?
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Post by sparty on Sept 26, 2024 14:02:00 GMT -8
Give me Hawaii at this point. Hell to the no. You are turning down getting lei’d?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 26, 2024 14:11:50 GMT -8
Hey Texas State, what do you think? Wanna come west? I know you're disappointed in the short term in this apocalyptic scenario and it can seem pretty confusing being so far away and not having the level of familiarity that the rest of the southwest has but I promise you won't be half as disappointed with us in the long haul. We were somewhat in Oregon St's shoes in the 2012 WAC when we moved up and schools with far less enrollment like SJSU and Nevada were thrown the last life raft for the MWC and LA Tech and Texas- San Antonio got bailed out to go to CUSA while Texas State was left for dead. We're a pretty down to earth fan base unlike those you're familiar with from UW, UO and departed Bay Area members. We're committed to spending whatever money it takes to keep up with the rest of the PAC and moving up a conference only helps us retain and pay a coach who is looking for growth opportunities without being poached so he can continue to pump out 9-10+ win seasons on a yearly basis for the foreseeable future. Look forward to establishing some long-distance rivalries. It's Afghanistanimation!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 26, 2024 14:14:17 GMT -8
Basically the Memphis AD said the pac12 offer smelled like poop. And it looks like UNLV and Airforce got 20 to 25 million from the MWC to stay. There seems to be a bunch of bozos still in the pac12 offices. Is Larry and George still walking in the hallways? The AAC teams wanted the Pac-2 to pay for most, if not all, of their conference buyouts. F that and f those guys.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 26, 2024 14:19:38 GMT -8
To the idiots in the media writing that the Pac-7 and the MWC are now essentially equal conferences: * There have been 10 full-season MWC championship games. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, USU and CSU have combined to win all 10. * There have been 10 championship-game runners-up. Boise, Fresno, CSU, USU and SDSU have combined for seven of those 2nd-place finishes. * Our teams have filled 17 of the 20 championship-game berths. Theirs have filled three. We got the best. They kept the rest. The Pac 7 is by far the best G5/6 conference. Orams article today was ignorant AF, perhaps that is what you are referncing.
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 26, 2024 14:21:36 GMT -8
To the idiots in the media writing that the Pac-7 and the MWC are now essentially equal conferences: * There have been 10 full-season MWC championship games. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, USU and CSU have combined to win all 10. * There have been 10 championship-game runners-up. Boise, Fresno, CSU, USU and SDSU have combined for seven of those 2nd-place finishes. * Our teams have filled 17 of the 20 championship-game berths. Theirs have filled three. We got the best. They kept the rest. The Pac 7 is by far the best G5/6 conference. Orams article today was is ignorant AF, perhaps that is what you are referncing. FTFY
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 26, 2024 14:53:38 GMT -8
What we know right now is that a contract was signed, and that is the exact value of the invoice. You're exercizing wishful thinking and nothing more at this point. It's $55,000,000 for the 5. $67,500,000 would be for 6. Again, we are not going to pay them anything remotely close to that. From someone on the MWC message board who appears to be a very credible legal source: "The exit fees and poaching fees that the PAC is supposed to pay to the MWC are known as "liquidated damages" in the contracts world. (Basically, it means that you agree to pay a fixed amount if you breach a contract.) And they are notoriously difficult to enforce. "Courts usually frown on liquidated damages. They prefer that the aggrieved party prove that they actually suffered X amount in damages as a result of the breach and then sue for X dollars. Case law says that for liquidated damages to be enforceable, they have to be a realistic estimate of the actual damages that the aggrieved party suffered as a result of the breach and not simply a punishment for breaching the contract. "And given that the MWC is likely to survive as a viable conference, I think it's highly unlikely that they will be able to convince a court that they suffered $100M+ in damages due to the PAC defections. "To be clear, there is a 100% chance that this will settle long before it gets to that point. Neither side wants to let this go to a judge, much less a jury, because the outcome is too unpredictable. But I don't think the MWC's hand is anywhere near as strong as you think it is. "From my point of view, if they get 50% of the liquidated damages in these contracts, it will be a major victory. There is a reason that teams basically always pay only a fraction of the contracted exit fees when they switch conferences. Liquidated damages are simply too hard to enforce."And that is why conferences have been moving to grants of rights in recent years. Unlike liquidated damages, a GOR is almost certainly enforceable, since it ties the penalty for leaving to actual damages that the conference suffered."Believe it or don't. But it jives with almost every single legal source I've seen quoted in various stories from many different sources.
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Post by sparty on Sept 26, 2024 14:54:02 GMT -8
To the idiots in the media writing that the Pac-7 and the MWC are now essentially equal conferences: * There have been 10 full-season MWC championship games. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, USU and CSU have combined to win all 10. * There have been 10 championship-game runners-up. Boise, Fresno, CSU, USU and SDSU have combined for seven of those 2nd-place finishes. * Our teams have filled 17 of the 20 championship-game berths. Theirs have filled three. We got the best. They kept the rest. The Pac 7 is by far the best G5/6 conference. Orams article today was ignorant AF, perhaps that is what you are referncing. Oram definitely took a shot. Not a nice article. Screw him
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 26, 2024 16:30:22 GMT -8
It's $55,000,000 for the 5. $67,500,000 would be for 6. Again, we are not going to pay them anything remotely close to that. From someone on the MWC message board who appears to be a very credible legal source: "The exit fees and poaching fees that the PAC is supposed to pay to the MWC are known as "liquidated damages" in the contracts world. (Basically, it means that you agree to pay a fixed amount if you breach a contract.) And they are notoriously difficult to enforce. "Courts usually frown on liquidated damages. They prefer that the aggrieved party prove that they actually suffered X amount in damages as a result of the breach and then sue for X dollars. Case law says that for liquidated damages to be enforceable, they have to be a realistic estimate of the actual damages that the aggrieved party suffered as a result of the breach and not simply a punishment for breaching the contract. "And given that the MWC is likely to survive as a viable conference, I think it's highly unlikely that they will be able to convince a court that they suffered $100M+ in damages due to the PAC defections. "To be clear, there is a 100% chance that this will settle long before it gets to that point. Neither side wants to let this go to a judge, much less a jury, because the outcome is too unpredictable. But I don't think the MWC's hand is anywhere near as strong as you think it is. "From my point of view, if they get 50% of the liquidated damages in these contracts, it will be a major victory. There is a reason that teams basically always pay only a fraction of the contracted exit fees when they switch conferences. Liquidated damages are simply too hard to enforce."And that is why conferences have been moving to grants of rights in recent years. Unlike liquidated damages, a GOR is almost certainly enforceable, since it ties the penalty for leaving to actual damages that the conference suffered."Believe it or don't. But it jives with almost every single legal source I've seen quoted in various stories from many different sources. And, why the new MWC contract is a GOR with the remaining (7). If you buy tix from an opponents' site you then get the plethora of sales emails. I just received the AD letters from UNR and AFA. The new agreement is 2026-2032, and GOR with specified damages. Although #s could change with a better media deal.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 26, 2024 17:17:05 GMT -8
To the idiots in the media writing that the Pac-7 and the MWC are now essentially equal conferences: * There have been 10 full-season MWC championship games. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, USU and CSU have combined to win all 10. * There have been 10 championship-game runners-up. Boise, Fresno, CSU, USU and SDSU have combined for seven of those 2nd-place finishes. * Our teams have filled 17 of the 20 championship-game berths. Theirs have filled three. We got the best. They kept the rest. The Pac 7 is by far the best G5/6 conference. Orams article today was ignorant AF, perhaps that is what you are referncing. Yeah, that "fast-rising" UTSA program is 2-2 with big wins over Kennesaw State and Houston Christian, a 39-point loss to Texas State and a 49-point loss to Texas. What a moron.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 26, 2024 17:50:54 GMT -8
Just read MWC has notified MAC they are inviting Toledo and N Il to join.
MWC has officially crossed the Rubicon. Everyone knows hands off the MAC. MWC will pay dearly for this invasion.
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