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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Sept 28, 2024 10:15:18 GMT -8
Like the gambling angle, LOL. You are correct about the value of Hawaii. It defeats other assertions on these boards about those who think Hawaii brings any value to the Pac. Aside from other out there concepts like UTEP, Sac State, EWU, NMSU, UNR or Wyoming. I can’t see how a “consultant” can value Hawaii’s media value at $2.3 million, when Spectrum pays Hawaii $3.1 million for 7 football games ($443K per game) to broadcast the games locally on PPV and on our app for the Mainland. www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/03/sports/university-of-hawaii-extends-tv-rights-deal-with-spectrum/13 games x $443K = $5.3 million These 7 games are the non-Nationally Televised games, so you can assume the remaining 6 National tv games are worth more. Not sure how much more. I know the MW pays a bonus of $500K per national tv appearance (weekend game) and $300K for weeknight game. I don’t remember the last time Hawaii played a weeknight game. Anyways, we can add $500K to the $443K to get $943K per national tv game. $943K x 6 = $5.7MM $3.1MM + $5.7MM = $8.8 million If we want to extrapolate the Spectrum deal all 13 games, that is $5.3 million (lowest end estimate). The Spectrum contract was signed in 2020, so there’s inflation if we are talking about 2024. The MW average payout was around $5 million for all sports. Some programs are worth less and some worth more. If I were to guess, Hawaii’s media value is somewhere between $7 million to $10 million in 2024. It is a media value in the top half of the conference. Hawaii has a junk deal with the MW as a football-only. Our non-football sports in the Big West basically breakeven. The sports betting “Chase Game” angle is not accounted for in my analysis. That is a wildcard that we need to monetize to be attractive in 2030. Let’s talk again around then. Here’s a WaPo article for your “consultant” on their Hawaii media valuation. While speculative regarding the gambling angle, there is big interest in Hawaii. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/09/28/hawaii-football-gambling-tv-deals/Excerpt of article: But the AD pointed right at the estimated $51 million handle for Hawaii’s September matchup with Stanford last season, a Friday night home game that kicked off at 5 p.m. local time (or 11 Eastern). The next-closest handle for a Hawaii game was $16.1 million, still well above the power conference average of $11.5 million. Hawaii finished with the second-highest full-season handle in the Mountain West, $1 million below UNLV despite not playing in a bowl game. More recently, IC360 data showed that Hawaii’s Week Zero matchup in August with Delaware State, which kicked off at 6 p.m. local time, generated an estimated handle of $27.3 million. A fair question, then, would be why Hawaii’s TV ratings aren’t already soaring. The answer is wonky. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 28, 2024 10:23:30 GMT -8
I think the lesson here, at least by looking at the Hawaii results, is the new Pac should be featuring Friday games as often as reasonably possible if gambler interest correlates with TV viewership.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 28, 2024 11:17:49 GMT -8
I’m skeptical, sorry. An AD would go public highlighting the amount of betting on his college’s football team?
Maybe in the new Wild West anything goes.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 28, 2024 11:23:14 GMT -8
Like the gambling angle, LOL. You are correct about the value of Hawaii. It defeats other assertions on these boards about those who think Hawaii brings any value to the Pac. Aside from other out there concepts like UTEP, Sac State, EWU, NMSU, UNR or Wyoming. I can’t see how a “consultant” can value Hawaii’s media value at $2.3 million, when Spectrum pays Hawaii $3.1 million for 7 football games ($443K per game) to broadcast the games locally on PPV and on our app for the Mainland. www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/03/sports/university-of-hawaii-extends-tv-rights-deal-with-spectrum/13 games x $443K = $5.3 million These 7 games are the non-Nationally Televised games, so you can assume the remaining 6 National tv games are worth more. Not sure how much more. I know the MW pays a bonus of $500K per national tv appearance (weekend game) and $300K for weeknight game. I don’t remember the last time Hawaii played a weeknight game. Anyways, we can add $500K to the $443K to get $943K per national tv game. $943K x 6 = $5.7MM $3.1MM + $5.7MM = $8.8 million If we want to extrapolate the Spectrum deal all 13 games, that is $5.3 million (lowest end estimate). The Spectrum contract was signed in 2020, so there’s inflation if we are talking about 2024. The MW average payout was around $5 million for all sports. Some programs are worth less and some worth more. If I were to guess, Hawaii’s media value is somewhere between $7 million to $10 million in 2024. It is a media value in the top half of the conference. Hawaii has a junk deal with the MW as a football-only. Our non-football sports in the Big West basically breakeven. The sports betting “Chase Game” angle is not accounted for in my analysis. That is a wildcard that we need to monetize to be attractive in 2030. Let’s talk again around then. Why would every team in a Conference count every game they play as their revenue? Most of the time 2 conference teams are playing. You have to take your valuations and divide by 2. 2 conference teams play in every conference game, not one. |
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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Sept 28, 2024 11:39:16 GMT -8
I can’t see how a “consultant” can value Hawaii’s media value at $2.3 million, when Spectrum pays Hawaii $3.1 million for 7 football games ($443K per game) to broadcast the games locally on PPV and on our app for the Mainland. www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/03/sports/university-of-hawaii-extends-tv-rights-deal-with-spectrum/13 games x $443K = $5.3 million These 7 games are the non-Nationally Televised games, so you can assume the remaining 6 National tv games are worth more. Not sure how much more. I know the MW pays a bonus of $500K per national tv appearance (weekend game) and $300K for weeknight game. I don’t remember the last time Hawaii played a weeknight game. Anyways, we can add $500K to the $443K to get $943K per national tv game. $943K x 6 = $5.7MM $3.1MM + $5.7MM = $8.8 million If we want to extrapolate the Spectrum deal all 13 games, that is $5.3 million (lowest end estimate). The Spectrum contract was signed in 2020, so there’s inflation if we are talking about 2024. The MW average payout was around $5 million for all sports. Some programs are worth less and some worth more. If I were to guess, Hawaii’s media value is somewhere between $7 million to $10 million in 2024. It is a media value in the top half of the conference. Hawaii has a junk deal with the MW as a football-only. Our non-football sports in the Big West basically breakeven. The sports betting “Chase Game” angle is not accounted for in my analysis. That is a wildcard that we need to monetize to be attractive in 2030. Let’s talk again around then. Why would every team in a Conference count every game they play as their revenue? Most of the time 2 conference teams are playing. You have to take your valuations and divide by 2. 2 conference teams play in every conference game, not one. That’s a good point and I thought about that too. The MW average payout is around $5MM so divided by 12, yields about the same payout as the Spectrum deal, maybe a bit lower ($5MM / 12 games = $417K per game). So, if I value Hawaii and all the MW using the same denominator and guess what the National tv value is, Hawaii is still in the upper half as of the conference. I don’t know, what I’m doing and would appreciate someone who can do back if the napkin math to explain. Also, I’ve seen the home team gets their media company to show the game (ie CW for Beaver home games), so the ability to attract bigger schools to travel to your stadium is a plus, I think. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 28, 2024 16:52:16 GMT -8
I can’t see how a “consultant” can value Hawaii’s media value at $2.3 million, when Spectrum pays Hawaii $3.1 million for 7 football games ($443K per game) to broadcast the games locally on PPV and on our app for the Mainland. www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/03/sports/university-of-hawaii-extends-tv-rights-deal-with-spectrum/13 games x $443K = $5.3 million These 7 games are the non-Nationally Televised games, so you can assume the remaining 6 National tv games are worth more. Not sure how much more. I know the MW pays a bonus of $500K per national tv appearance (weekend game) and $300K for weeknight game. I don’t remember the last time Hawaii played a weeknight game. Anyways, we can add $500K to the $443K to get $943K per national tv game. $943K x 6 = $5.7MM $3.1MM + $5.7MM = $8.8 million If we want to extrapolate the Spectrum deal all 13 games, that is $5.3 million (lowest end estimate). The Spectrum contract was signed in 2020, so there’s inflation if we are talking about 2024. The MW average payout was around $5 million for all sports. Some programs are worth less and some worth more. If I were to guess, Hawaii’s media value is somewhere between $7 million to $10 million in 2024. It is a media value in the top half of the conference. Hawaii has a junk deal with the MW as a football-only. Our non-football sports in the Big West basically breakeven. The sports betting “Chase Game” angle is not accounted for in my analysis. That is a wildcard that we need to monetize to be attractive in 2030. Let’s talk again around then. Here’s a WaPo article for your “consultant” on their Hawaii media valuation. While speculative regarding the gambling angle, there is big interest in Hawaii. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/09/28/hawaii-football-gambling-tv-deals/Excerpt of article: But the AD pointed right at the estimated $51 million handle for Hawaii’s September matchup with Stanford last season, a Friday night home game that kicked off at 5 p.m. local time (or 11 Eastern). The next-closest handle for a Hawaii game was $16.1 million, still well above the power conference average of $11.5 million. Hawaii finished with the second-highest full-season handle in the Mountain West, $1 million below UNLV despite not playing in a bowl game. More recently, IC360 data showed that Hawaii’s Week Zero matchup in August with Delaware State, which kicked off at 6 p.m. local time, generated an estimated handle of $27.3 million. A fair question, then, would be why Hawaii’s TV ratings aren’t already soaring. The answer is wonky. I have some thoughts on this. I used to bet a lot on college football. I do much less now because I've found my time is better spent getting ready for college basketball. Saying that, when I was sweating Saturday games, I mean that literally. I was exhausted by Saturday night. I'd spent 50 to 70 hours handicapping during the week. And then on Saturday, I was watching my games along with an eye to make some halftime bets if I thought I saw something that would not be reflected on the 2nd half line. And maybe it's different from guys who are betting (make a guess) less than 100 per game to somewhere over that. I wanted a winning weekend but a winning season was much more important. I don't think I ever had the thought, "hey if I bet X on the Hawaii-Fresno game starting at 9pm (I'm in the pacific tz), I can cover my losses today." If I was having a sh1tty day, I was thinking more about did I get unlucky or am I a bad handicapper. So to finish up, I don't think there are many views on the 9pm game simply because of the bet. If big betters are betting on it, it's because they think they have an edge. It's not because they are trying to salvage a Saturday. |
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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Sept 29, 2024 5:09:18 GMT -8
Here’s a WaPo article for your “consultant” on their Hawaii media valuation. While speculative regarding the gambling angle, there is big interest in Hawaii. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/09/28/hawaii-football-gambling-tv-deals/Excerpt of article: But the AD pointed right at the estimated $51 million handle for Hawaii’s September matchup with Stanford last season, a Friday night home game that kicked off at 5 p.m. local time (or 11 Eastern). The next-closest handle for a Hawaii game was $16.1 million, still well above the power conference average of $11.5 million. Hawaii finished with the second-highest full-season handle in the Mountain West, $1 million below UNLV despite not playing in a bowl game. More recently, IC360 data showed that Hawaii’s Week Zero matchup in August with Delaware State, which kicked off at 6 p.m. local time, generated an estimated handle of $27.3 million. A fair question, then, would be why Hawaii’s TV ratings aren’t already soaring. The answer is wonky. And maybe it's different from guys who are betting (make a guess) less than 100 per game to somewhere over that. I think the opportunity are more these guys. The $100 per game or less folks. Thanks for sharing your experience. My guess is with cable tv dying, the big dogs of the college sports world will look to cash in. Hawaii and the West Coast schools need to see where that’s heading early on and make moves. Whether it’s a minor or major advantage. This week I started looking into Flutter’s analyst reports (public company that owns FanDuel). Their projected growth of the industry is big and seems to be helping their stock price. I don’t gamble or know much of the industry so I’m learning new things. |
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