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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 14, 2024 15:55:59 GMT -8
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 14, 2024 16:42:33 GMT -8
The Monty Show podcast yesterday said he had talked to several insiders saying the Pac isn't done with the MWC, but is trying to negotiate around the 10 million a team buyout. Something along those lines anyways. Sounds like “we would take UNLV and Nevada but not for $20M” |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 16:49:52 GMT -8
This falls under the be careful about taking a school simply because it's in a big media area. This is Charlotte's (UNCCharlotte) 2nd year in the American after being in CUSA for a while. With 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter UNCC is losing to Gardner-Webb 20-6. Go Runnin' Bulldogs!
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 17:01:04 GMT -8
Ok with Memphis, but why would we want Tulane? No fan support in that state. They are all LSU or bust. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 14, 2024 17:39:00 GMT -8
Ok with Memphis, but why would we want Tulane? No fan support in that state. They are all LSU or bust. Yeah I mean if I squint I can see a scenario where they try to add those 2 plus the Texas 2 but that seems in conflict with hearing that we aren’t necessarily done with MWC schools + Barnes continuing to say he only wants 9-10 teams. Guess we are probably just casting a wide net to see who bites. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 14, 2024 19:26:46 GMT -8
Ok with Memphis, but why would we want Tulane? No fan support in that state. They are all LSU or bust. Tulane is a VERY good school. It brings a lot of Academic credibility, it has a multibillion dollar endowment and deep pocket boosters connected to it. Not SMU level crazy, mind you. Sports wise, yeah they are middling. It is he association with the university itself. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 19:31:39 GMT -8
Ok with Memphis, but why would we want Tulane? No fan support in that state. They are all LSU or bust. Tulane is a VERY good school. It brings a lot of Academic credibility, it has a multibillion dollar endowment and deep pocket boosters connected to it. Not SMU level crazy, mind you. Sports wise, yeah they are middling. It is he association with the university itself. The “academic” thing is not worth s%#t anymore. The networks don’t pay out based on academic ratings. Tulane is irrelevant, even in Louisiana. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 14, 2024 21:29:02 GMT -8
Tulane is a VERY good school. It brings a lot of Academic credibility, it has a multibillion dollar endowment and deep pocket boosters connected to it. Not SMU level crazy, mind you. Sports wise, yeah they are middling. It is he association with the university itself. The “academic” thing is not worth s%#t anymore. The networks don’t pay out based on academic ratings. Tulane is irrelevant, even in Louisiana. 66th in viewership in 2023, more than several Power Five teams, including multiple former Pac-12 members. More viewers than 11 of the 12 Mountain West teams (only Colorado State had more viewers). What you are saying seems incorrect? Good-sized media market. An outlet to recruit the Southeast. Lots to like there. |
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Post by clydebeav on Sept 15, 2024 0:03:53 GMT -8
The “academic” thing is not worth s%#t anymore. The networks don’t pay out based on academic ratings. Tulane is irrelevant, even in Louisiana. 66th in viewership in 2023, more than several Power Five teams, including multiple former Pac-12 members. More viewers than 11 of the 12 Mountain West teams (only Colorado State had more viewers). What you are saying seems incorrect? Good-sized media market. An outlet to recruit the Southeast. Lots to like there. If the goal is best of the rest, it seems like the Memphis/Tulane pair is a no brainer. They are currently the top dogs in the AAC. You may need a Texas presence to help those 2 with travel though. Still really want to find a way to get UNLV as well. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 15, 2024 8:27:20 GMT -8
The Monty Show podcast yesterday said he had talked to several insiders saying the Pac isn't done with the MWC, but is trying to negotiate around the 10 million a team buyout. Something along those lines anyways. Sounds like “we would take UNLV and Nevada but not for $20M” Yeah. its the politics. We don't want the Nevada part. We just want the UNLV part and if we have to take the both, we ain't paying full price. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 15, 2024 8:41:11 GMT -8
Tulane is a VERY good school. It brings a lot of Academic credibility, it has a multibillion dollar endowment and deep pocket boosters connected to it. Not SMU level crazy, mind you. Sports wise, yeah they are middling. It is he association with the university itself. The “academic” thing is not worth s%#t anymore. The networks don’t pay out based on academic ratings. Tulane is irrelevant, even in Louisiana. That's just not true, every school would be Liberty at this point. Besides, Its not what you know, it's who you know. They have a deep, deep pocketed alumni base. Influential people associated with them. A school that is a strong candidate to possibly pay it's own way? who knows. Tulane isn't as unpopular as you are suggesting. Yes, they are a DISTANT second to LSU, of course. they aren't nothing. They are also a school with credibility enough it could warm up OTHER schools that have concerns about their academic credibility. Schools do care about it. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 15, 2024 10:57:29 GMT -8
It's very clear to me that the Pac-12 wants to add the schools with the best athletic departments/football programs available.
The Pac-12 also values regionality, so it grabbed the top four MWC schools that met the above criteria. My guess is that the Pac-12 is pretty much done with adding MWC schools now unless it wants UNLV and can figure out a way to land it without Nevada.
Adding Cal and possibly (unlikely, IMO) Stanford if the ACC falls apart at some point or in a real longshot, agrees to release them, would add at least one more regional school.
But I think they've got what they need out of the available area schools and are now looking into some Texas schools and schools like Tulane, USF and Memphis.
IMO, Memphis is at the top of the list with Tulane following right behind. I kind of doubt that they go all the way to the East Coast.
The point is to build a conference that is clearly the best among the current G5 and that will eventually be good enough to push up against the Big 12 and the ACC (if it stays together).
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2024 12:48:17 GMT -8
Ok with Memphis, but why would we want Tulane? No fan support in that state. They are all LSU or bust. Yeah I mean if I squint I can see a scenario where they try to add those 2 plus the Texas 2 but that seems in conflict with hearing that we aren’t necessarily done with MWC schools + Barnes continuing to say he only wants 9-10 teams. Guess we are probably just casting a wide net to see who bites. I've checked out a couple AD interviews on Youtube. Barns says ideallywe get to 9-10. The AD at Boise St said we obviously have to get to get to 8, but "whether we get to 10 or however many" teams, fanbase and market size matter. He said the league intends to hit the ground running in 2026. The AD at SDSU said we need to get to at least 9 football schools to schedule an 8 game round robin, 10 to play 9 would be fine, and we need at least 10 basketball schools. All have said there's quite a bit of interest in the league as a destination for other schools. Haven't seen/heard the other 2 ADs yet. That comment by the BSU AD has me thinking everyone probably wants 10 and they're not necessarily planning on shutting it down there if other opportunities arise. Barnes was asked about TV money and he said there have been conversations, but we're not at liberty to tslk about who or numbers. All 3 have saod they think they will be in a stronger position than in the MWC. I'm reading Barne's 9-10 comment as ommitting the words "at a minimum" and he's playing it conservative using a number he knows he can deliver. Of course, that's my filter. Nothing is set in stone. I need to find interviews with the other 2 ADs. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 15, 2024 14:33:08 GMT -8
that’s a hard no on both. Stay in the west, use that as a recruiting chip |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 15, 2024 14:40:31 GMT -8
Yeah I mean if I squint I can see a scenario where they try to add those 2 plus the Texas 2 but that seems in conflict with hearing that we aren’t necessarily done with MWC schools + Barnes continuing to say he only wants 9-10 teams. Guess we are probably just casting a wide net to see who bites. I've checked out a couple AD interviews on Youtube. Barns says ideallywe get to 9-10. The AD at Boise St said we obviously have to get to get to 8, but "whether we get to 10 or however many" teams, fanbase and market size matter. He said the league intends to hit the ground running in 2026. The AD at SDSU said we need to get to at least 9 football schools to schedule an 8 game round robin, 10 to play 9 would be fine, and we need at least 10 basketball schools. All have said there's quite a bit of interest in the league as a destination for other schools. Haven't seen/heard the other 2 ADs yet. That comment by the BSU AD has me thinking everyone probably wants 10 and they're not necessarily planning on shutting it down there if other opportunities arise. Barnes was asked about TV money and he said there have been conversations, but we're not at liberty to tslk about who or numbers. All 3 have saod they think they will be in a stronger position than in the MWC. I'm reading Barne's 9-10 comment as ommitting the words "at a minimum" and he's playing it conservative using a number he knows he can deliver. Of course, that's my filter. Nothing is set in stone. I need to find interviews with the other 2 ADs. 10's a minimum for round robins to work well. 12 is a minimum for divisions and championship games if that is a thing we want to do. |
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