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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 15, 2024 14:41:10 GMT -8
that’s a hard no on both. Stay in the west, use that as a recruiting chip There is nothing left in the west. UNLV, that is about it, and they will probably be in anyways at some point. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 15, 2024 14:50:56 GMT -8
Yeah I mean if I squint I can see a scenario where they try to add those 2 plus the Texas 2 but that seems in conflict with hearing that we aren’t necessarily done with MWC schools + Barnes continuing to say he only wants 9-10 teams. Guess we are probably just casting a wide net to see who bites. I've checked out a couple AD interviews on Youtube. Barns says ideallywe get to 9-10. The AD at Boise St said we obviously have to get to get to 8, but "whether we get to 10 or however many" teams, fanbase and market size matter. He said the league intends to hit the ground running in 2026. The AD at SDSU said we need to get to at least 9 football schools to schedule an 8 game round robin, 10 to play 9 would be fine, and we need at least 10 basketball schools. All have said there's quite a bit of interest in the league as a destination for other schools. Haven't seen/heard the other 2 ADs yet. That comment by the BSU AD has me thinking everyone probably wants 10 and they're not necessarily planning on shutting it down there if other opportunities arise. Barnes was asked about TV money and he said there have been conversations, but we're not at liberty to tslk about who or numbers. All 3 have saod they think they will be in a stronger position than in the MWC. I'm reading Barne's 9-10 comment as ommitting the words "at a minimum" and he's playing it conservative using a number he knows he can deliver. Of course, that's my filter. Nothing is set in stone. I need to find interviews with the other 2 ADs. You mentioned that all 3 have said they think they will be in a stringer position than in the MWC. For Their sake they better hope so or they will be looking for other jobs. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 15, 2024 14:59:12 GMT -8
The Monty Show podcast yesterday said he had talked to several insiders saying the Pac isn't done with the MWC, but is trying to negotiate around the 10 million a team buyout. Something along those lines anyways. Monty doesn't know crap. He and his son sat there and mocked OSU and WSU because they thought the entire war chest was the $65 million payment from the 10 schools. They also were convinced that the media deal with the CW wasn't going to include nationwide broadcasts of OSU and WSU football games. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 15, 2024 15:36:22 GMT -8
that’s a hard no on both. Stay in the west, use that as a recruiting chip There is nothing left in the west. UNLV, that is about it, and they will probably be in anyways at some point. I was thinking long term. Stanford,Cal, Utah, SJSU, Utah State, the Arizona schools |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2024 16:22:06 GMT -8
The Monty Show podcast yesterday said he had talked to several insiders saying the Pac isn't done with the MWC, but is trying to negotiate around the 10 million a team buyout. Something along those lines anyways. Monty doesn't know crap. He and his son sat there and mocked OSU and WSU because they thought the entire war chest was the $65 million payment from the 10 schools. They also were convinced that the media deal with the CW wasn't going to include nationwide broadcasts of OSU and WSU football games. Monty had a lot more accurate information than most of the podcasters (all the ones I watched anyway) back right before it all fell apart. The guy has about 30 years of sports talk radio experience, he knows a lot of people. All of the podcasters are basically covering rumor, gotta take everything with a grain of salt. I've seen a bunch worse. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2024 16:35:34 GMT -8
that’s a hard no on both. Stay in the west, use that as a recruiting chip We could pick up 1 or two western teams, UNLV being the prize, then pick up 7 or 8 "eastern" teams... and only have 1 trip a year back east. The ideal size is probably 7 teams in each division, but 8 would workn, just neans 1 fewer OOC game. It opens up the recruiting base, gets the Pac 12 a LOT bigger TV market, gets a lot more writers in the southeast covering the Pac, and it's just 1 extra trip. I'd use the bigger TV market and sportswriters exposure as the recruiting chip. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 15, 2024 17:18:33 GMT -8
that’s a hard no on both. Stay in the west, use that as a recruiting chip We could pick up 1 or two western teams, UNLV being the prize, then pick up 7 or 8 "eastern" teams... and only have 1 trip a year back east. The ideal size is probably 7 teams in each division, but 8 would workn, just neans 1 fewer OOC game. It opens up the recruiting base, gets the Pac 12 a LOT bigger TV market, gets a lot more writers in the southeast covering the Pac, and it's just 1 extra trip. I'd use the bigger TV market and sportswriters exposure as the recruiting chip. 1 trip for football...lots more for the other sports I would imagine... |
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Post by grayman on Sept 15, 2024 17:25:05 GMT -8
Monty doesn't know crap. He and his son sat there and mocked OSU and WSU because they thought the entire war chest was the $65 million payment from the 10 schools. They also were convinced that the media deal with the CW wasn't going to include nationwide broadcasts of OSU and WSU football games. Monty had a lot more accurate information than most of the podcasters (all the ones I watched anyway) back right before it all fell apart. The guy has about 30 years of sports talk radio experience, he knows a lot of people. All of the podcasters are basically covering rumor, gotta take everything with a grain of salt. I've seen a bunch worse. They spend too much time using their pod to troll and mock for my taste. The two examples I cited are enough for me to make a call on the validity of their opinions. Most others seem to be well meaning for the most part, even if I disagree with them quite a bit. A lot of them were or are still involved in radio or broadcasting in general, interestingly enough. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 15, 2024 22:45:16 GMT -8
We could pick up 1 or two western teams, UNLV being the prize, then pick up 7 or 8 "eastern" teams... and only have 1 trip a year back east. The ideal size is probably 7 teams in each division, but 8 would workn, just neans 1 fewer OOC game. It opens up the recruiting base, gets the Pac 12 a LOT bigger TV market, gets a lot more writers in the southeast covering the Pac, and it's just 1 extra trip. I'd use the bigger TV market and sportswriters exposure as the recruiting chip. 1 trip for football...lots more for the other sports I would imagine... Weird scenario. 14 teams. If you play 18-20 conference games in basketball, you are looking at two trips back east, because you can group the road trips. In baseball, Boise State and Colorado State do not have baseball teams, so it depends on which teams are added back Eat. 12 would probably be better, especially for basketball. You could put Colorado State in the East. (It would probably be best to pair Colorado State with a local rival, like Wyoming.) Then, it would be one or two trips back east every year. If you play 18 games in basketball, that is two trips with a trip to Fort Collins four years out of six. If you play 20 games, that is two or three trips back East with a trip to Fort Collins five years out of six. In baseball, you would have, at most, 10 teams. So, you could play a 27-game baseball schedule with two trips back East every year. You could play Wazzu twice every year, if you wanted to get to 30 games. Or you could drop down to 24 games and cut it down to 1-2 games back East every year. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 15, 2024 23:55:27 GMT -8
1 trip for football...lots more for the other sports I would imagine... Weird scenario. 14 teams. If you play 18-20 conference games in basketball, you are looking at two trips back east, because you can group the road trips. In baseball, Boise State and Colorado State do not have baseball teams, so it depends on which teams are added back Eat. 12 would probably be better, especially for basketball. You could put Colorado State in the East. (It would probably be best to pair Colorado State with a local rival, like Wyoming.) Then, it would be one or two trips back east every year. If you play 18 games in basketball, that is two trips with a trip to Fort Collins four years out of six. If you play 20 games, that is two or three trips back East with a trip to Fort Collins five years out of six. In baseball, you would have, at most, 10 teams. So, you could play a 27-game baseball schedule with two trips back East every year. You could play Wazzu twice every year, if you wanted to get to 30 games. Or you could drop down to 24 games and cut it down to 1-2 games back East every year. Going with 2 divisions keeps the travel down. 6 team divisions would make for an additional road game (every other year maybe?) for football. It'd make for some more longer trips for the other sports, but still fewer trips than Cal/Stan/UCLA/USC/UW/uo have to make. The divisional idea keeps regionality for traveling fans to a large extent, without watering down the league's strength by having to add weaker teams. I figure if they stay out of the 2 eastern timezones the TV money won't be what it could be - if they could actually get a full division in the east. Having an east division really would only be possible if there's enough interest. 8-10 million a school may not be enough to generate that interest, it might not even be enough to hold the interest of those who've already committed. I like the idea of a western league, but I think it leaves money on the table. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out in the end. |
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 16, 2024 2:06:10 GMT -8
Put me in the camp of adding 4 teams but one of them being Gonzaga and one being hopefully UNLV (Wyoming makes the most sense to me if UNLV can't split from Nevada)
I don't mind if the other 2 are a stretch out of the geographic footprint (one east trip for football a year and travel partners for Oly sports). I think Tulane and UTSA are my preference there - Memphis gives me bad vibes.
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Post by seastape on Sept 16, 2024 5:51:21 GMT -8
So I guess the goal is to become a lesser rated version of the Big 12?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 6:01:49 GMT -8
So I guess the goal is to become a lesser rated version of the Big 12? Is your goal to be equal to the big 12? Cause they are just as screwed on a different timeline. Let's hear a realistic way that we won't be in a lesser league than the BIG10 and SEC. |
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 6:53:29 GMT -8
Maybe we merge with a large chunk of the AAC and have an east and west division of the pac 12.
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 16, 2024 7:07:15 GMT -8
So I guess the goal is to become a lesser rated version of the Big 12? And the other options we have to choose from are? |
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