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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 15:17:54 GMT -8
That's not true. not ANY, not just because you have money. You have to represent value. Does Sac St. have value to the conference? Fresno State and Boise State, despite some of our turned up noses, actually represent value. They have strong football and basketball programs mostly. they have rabid fan bases. they have people that show up and watch them on TV. They have okayish media markets. If Sacramento State, which is in a large media area, could show they DO have a large following, they DO have adequate funding, they can field competitive teams, and people would tune in. Okay, sure we can listen. I don't think they can show that. It think they gotta show that at the MWC level first. Sac St is a sub $100 million endowment university. They hardly do research. they have all of 5 PhD offerings. they simply are no where near the level of university we are looking for. Maybe some crazy donor has a lot of money. Okay great. how much and how long? and does that make up for taking the spot of a university that can add tens of millions of dollars annually to a media deal? No, Sac St. ain't on any short, medium, or long list. they are may be on the MWC list though. At the sub-doctoral level, Sacramento State is a better university than Boise State or Fresno State. Sacramento State has a larger academic budget than Fresno. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest media market in the Untied States of America, larger than Portland. Sacramento State had the third-largest budget of all FCS teams behind only Davis and Stony Brook. In football, Sacramento State made the FCS playoffs last year, winning the first game before losing to #3 South Dakota 34-24. Sacramento State played at San Jose and Fresno to start the season this year, losing 42-24 and 46-30, respectively. Sacramento State's basketball team lost in the semifinals to eventual Big Sky Champion Montana State. If they could immediately pour millions into upgrading the football stadium and securing a decent place to play basketball, there is a ton of potential there. Big ifs. We gonna rock those ifs why not just apply them to SJSU? and take the bigger Bay Area? FCS to D-1 is a very, very big leap. We just routinely see it every year. Sometimes the FCS studs surprise, but generally they don't. as you even noted, a playoff FCS team got waxed by MWC teams. A BAD Colorado team beat one of the historically best FCS teams this century in week 1. I do get it, in this game we are playing right now, we probably need to reach from time to time. But if we reach, it is at the end of the line. we are sitting at six teams. We don't make Sac St. team 7. we maybe make them team 12. or team 14. if that. We just can't waste a slot on potential. Right now we are giving slots to known commodities. We need to hold slots to names that are going to inspire people and get TV executives really fired up. Sacramento State is not going to do that. We need to be in a place where our leverage becomes we are now so clearly the best "G5" conference we have a stranglehold on the at large bid. That is what is going to motivate any of best of the other G5s to leave their conference for ours. The Pac is the path to the playoff for them. Filling that conference up with a fledgling developing FCS team making the leap doesn't fit that purpose of making us an all star G5 that is effectively staking a claim that we really are a Power conference. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 12, 2024 15:28:43 GMT -8
All this conjecture and all these additions oppose what Barnes stated... thinks (9) teams is his preferred football conference. Gives (8) conference games, (4) NC. Opens upscheduling, likely no need to have conference title game, no need for divisions. And, still CFP berth per the current CFP policy for a rebuilt Pac12. Opens up hoop only schools additions. But, of course he's also open to other scenarios. But, it was very telling he mentioned that in his outshining Oregonian interview. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 12, 2024 15:33:05 GMT -8
That's not true. not ANY, not just because you have money. You have to represent value. Does Sac St. have value to the conference? Fresno State and Boise State, despite some of our turned up noses, actually represent value. They have strong football and basketball programs mostly. they have rabid fan bases. they have people that show up and watch them on TV. They have okayish media markets. If Sacramento State, which is in a large media area, could show they DO have a large following, they DO have adequate funding, they can field competitive teams, and people would tune in. Okay, sure we can listen. I don't think they can show that. It think they gotta show that at the MWC level first. Sac St is a sub $100 million endowment university. They hardly do research. they have all of 5 PhD offerings. they simply are no where near the level of university we are looking for. Maybe some crazy donor has a lot of money. Okay great. how much and how long? and does that make up for taking the spot of a university that can add tens of millions of dollars annually to a media deal? No, Sac St. ain't on any short, medium, or long list. they are may be on the MWC list though. At the sub-doctoral level, Sacramento State is a better university than Boise State or Fresno State. Sacramento State has a larger academic budget than Fresno. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest media market in the Untied States of America, larger than Portland. Sacramento State had the third-largest budget of all FCS teams behind only Davis and Stony Brook. In football, Sacramento State made the FCS playoffs last year, winning the first game before losing to #3 South Dakota 34-24. Sacramento State played at San Jose and Fresno to start the season this year, losing 42-24 and 46-30, respectively. Sacramento State's basketball team lost in the semifinals to eventual Big Sky Champion Montana State. If they could immediately pour millions into upgrading the football stadium and securing a decent place to play basketball, there is a ton of potential there. I get where you are coming from, bit it could be challenging for Sac State to get competitive in a Power conference in short order. People tend to think in terms of current or recent status/situations. I believe there's a bunch of schools who could step up their programs to a P5 level with investment, maybe not a top level P% status, but good enough to compete with many of the worst teams in current P4 leagues on a regular basis. Every league has some weaker teams, I don't think a rebuilt Pac whatever will be any different. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 12, 2024 15:37:56 GMT -8
I am going to throw it out there that there is some chatter out of Sacramento that Sacramento State is going to make a play to move up to the Pac-12 or Mountain West. I have heard that there may be a lot of money behind it. I believe that Sacramento State will get a Mountain West invite before the Dakotas or Montana. how about uc davis? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 16:22:36 GMT -8
I am going to throw it out there that there is some chatter out of Sacramento that Sacramento State is going to make a play to move up to the Pac-12 or Mountain West. I have heard that there may be a lot of money behind it. I believe that Sacramento State will get a Mountain West invite before the Dakotas or Montana. how about uc davis? Davis is the other team West of Idaho I have heard as a potential football add for the Mountain West. They have a better basketball arena than Sacramento State, but their football stadium is not nearly big enough. Sacramento State has two 20,000+ seat stadiums in the Sacramento area. Davis is in the Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto media market. Davis is a better school than Sacramento State. The thing that Davis is missing is athletic funding. I have been told that there is a push for Sacramento State to move up to FBS. I have not heard of a similar push from Davis. |
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Post by den60 on Sept 12, 2024 19:37:57 GMT -8
I'm guessing Memphis, UNT, UTSA and Gonzaga. Gets 9 FB schools for an 8 game conference schedule and Gonzaga for 16 game BB schedule. UNLV may be sorted in later, don't really see them being left behind and it could be that the new members expect to see the MWC schools scatter looking for a landing spot. AFA would definitely depart for the AAC and UNM may be thinking that would be best for them as well. They leave and it makes it easier politically and, possibly, financially to then take UNLV.
I'm just glad we are now out of the MWC. Wasn't quite the conference we expected to join 2 years ago but is definitely a step up.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 19:48:42 GMT -8
I'm guessing Memphis, UNT, UTSA and Gonzaga. Gets 9 FB schools for an 8 game conference schedule and Gonzaga for 16 game BB schedule. UNLV may be sorted in later, don't really see them being left behind and it could be that the new members expect to see the MWC schools scatter looking for a landing spot. AFA would definitely depart for the AAC and UNM may be thinking that would be best for them as well. They leave and it makes it easier politically and, possibly, financially to then take UNLV. I'm just glad we are now out of the MWC. Wasn't quite the conference we expected to join 2 years ago but is definitely a step up. I highly doubt Gonzaga is a part of this. They like where they’re at and have already turned down BB only membership options from the Big 12. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 12, 2024 20:04:57 GMT -8
I'm guessing Memphis, UNT, UTSA and Gonzaga. Gets 9 FB schools for an 8 game conference schedule and Gonzaga for 16 game BB schedule. UNLV may be sorted in later, don't really see them being left behind and it could be that the new members expect to see the MWC schools scatter looking for a landing spot. AFA would definitely depart for the AAC and UNM may be thinking that would be best for them as well. They leave and it makes it easier politically and, possibly, financially to then take UNLV. I'm just glad we are now out of the MWC. Wasn't quite the conference we expected to join 2 years ago but is definitely a step up. I would love getting Gonzaga but I just don't think it's likely. It has a pretty good deal going right now with the WCC. North Texas isn't that attractive IMO. Just not a lot of success. UTSA is a good possibility because of San Antonio and the growth potential of the program. They've had a few really good seasons recently but not necessarily a great history. Texas State has been all over the map record-wise through the years. Memphis would be a good add but is quite a ways from the Pac. Tulane got really good under Willie Fritz but he's gone and there's not much to speak of historically except a 12-0 season in 1998, Tommy Bowden's second year. But he left and things weren't all that great before and after until Fritz. If we're going with football history, Louisiana Tech probably should be considered but I'm not sure it fits in with what the Pac-12 is looking for overall. |
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Post by orangethunder on Sept 13, 2024 5:07:19 GMT -8
How about Eastern Washington? They are always strong
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Post by idaho on Sept 13, 2024 6:28:50 GMT -8
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Post by joecool on Sept 13, 2024 7:00:41 GMT -8
How about Eastern Washington? They are always strong Just stop, zero chance. "Always strong"... Last year 4-7, year before 3-8. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 7:02:50 GMT -8
I'm torn, because I would prefer to have an actual western conference. I understand there are stronger athletic schools/bigger tv markets out there, but the geography starts getting stupid......Cal and Furd in the ACC is the dumbest thing ever. I would love to see those two, and both NV schools to get us to 10. Then I guess maybe go further east? It just would seem weird to have east coast teams in the Pac 12 |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 13, 2024 7:19:16 GMT -8
I'm torn, because I would prefer to have an actual western conference. I understand there are stronger athletic schools/bigger tv markets out there, but the geography starts getting stupid......Cal and Furd in the ACC is the dumbest thing ever. I would love to see those two, and both NV schools to get us to 10. Then I guess maybe go further east? It just would seem weird to have east coast teams in the Pac 12 I've lost track if this was mentioned before, but looks like the Nevada schools (at the moment) are a package deal. Personally I'd rather just have UNLV and have a stronger presence in somewhere like Texas.. My own speculation is that due to the $ involved in bringing in Mtn West teams, Nevada didn't move the needle enough to justify the cost. www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv/pac-12-poaches-4-mountain-west-schools-unlv-left-out-3168075/ |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 7:47:33 GMT -8
I'm torn, because I would prefer to have an actual western conference. I understand there are stronger athletic schools/bigger tv markets out there, but the geography starts getting stupid......Cal and Furd in the ACC is the dumbest thing ever. I would love to see those two, and both NV schools to get us to 10. Then I guess maybe go further east? It just would seem weird to have east coast teams in the Pac 12 I've lost track if this was mentioned before, but looks like the Nevada schools (at the moment) are a package deal. Personally I'd rather just have UNLV and have a stronger presence in somewhere like Texas.. My own speculation is that due to the $ involved in bringing in Mtn West teams, Nevada didn't move the needle enough to justify the cost. www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv/pac-12-poaches-4-mountain-west-schools-unlv-left-out-3168075/Yea, I think you are right. I have my own bias toward adding the NV schools. I'm sentimental. I realize that has no place in today's college football world. I will get used to the weird geography if we add eastern schools I guess. All this non-regional conference forming just doesn't compute for me. It's based on tv markets, and AD budgets. On one hand, I'm glad we are starting to see a path. On the other hand, I still hate what college athletics is becoming. I hate that the colleges are controlled by media companies, and will sell their souls for a seat at the table. I continue to lose more interest in the whole thing daily. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 13, 2024 8:02:20 GMT -8
I'm torn, because I would prefer to have an actual western conference. I understand there are stronger athletic schools/bigger tv markets out there, but the geography starts getting stupid......Cal and Furd in the ACC is the dumbest thing ever. I would love to see those two, and both NV schools to get us to 10. Then I guess maybe go further east? It just would seem weird to have east coast teams in the Pac 12 Well, you'd have a Western division of a conference. Calford are just islands sitting by themselves, but if they were paired up with a few more it would make sense. Way less travel but you have guaranteed coverage and nation-wide exposure. And that is what we need - more exposure with these teams to entice casual fans to follow a little. I mean, if we want to go down the whole CFB rabbit hole. |
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