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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 14:19:35 GMT -8
Memphis Tulane UTSA UNLV + Gonzaga for all sports but FB Solid Football Conference Great Hoops Conference Would love to see Gonzaga for hoops, but why us vs Big 12? Regionality? If we somehow got Memphis hoops and Gonzaga and SD State, we'd at least have an interesting shot at getting some shares. I thought UNLV was dependent upon UNR? UNLV has a combined Board of Regents with UNR. I think that UNLV is the obvious next choice, but everyone may be waiting for the election. I note that Governor Lombardo is a UNLV grad. UNLV knows that they have some bargaining power at this point and may try and do everything that they can to get Nevada an invite. If there is no invite in a couple of months, UNLV may join without Nevada. Or it may be that UNLV and Nevada have to work out some kind of deal like Cal and UCLA before anything can move forward. I would be very surprised if UNLV is not eventually team #7 in the rebuild. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 12, 2024 14:21:33 GMT -8
Memphis Tulane UTSA UNLV + Gonzaga for all sports but FB Solid Football Conference Great Hoops Conference Would love to see Gonzaga for hoops, but why us vs Big 12? Regionality? If we somehow got Memphis hoops and Gonzaga and SD State, we'd at least have an interesting shot at getting some shares. I thought UNLV was dependent upon UNR? I think Gonzaga likes being the big fish in a small pond. They won't be that in the Big 12, they will just be Kansas' understudy and debatable if even peers with Houston and AZ. They would remain the big fish in the remodeled Pac, but upgrading their conference competition above St Mary's and USF. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 12, 2024 14:24:15 GMT -8
Tulane, UTSA
Maybe UNLV
I don't think they would go further east than Tulane but who knows? If so, Memphis, USF would be in the mix.
Still believe they are going to wait on going bigger than 8 teams until the ACC situation plays out.
There's always the looming superconference and the effects could very well end a bunch of conferences or at least take football out of the equation.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 12, 2024 14:27:24 GMT -8
I am going to throw it out there that there is some chatter out of Sacramento that Sacramento State is going to make a play to move up to the Pac-12 or Mountain West. I have heard that there may be a lot of money behind it. I believe that Sacramento State will get a Mountain West invite before the Dakotas or Montana. Could definitely see Sac State moving up to MWC, and Easteen Washington for that matter. The Pac not so much. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 14:28:43 GMT -8
Generally speaking, I think we have zero hope of pulling ANY team in an existing P4 conference unless we can offer them P4 money. I just don't believe we can. So any talk of getting an Arizona or Utah or anybody back, I think is just an non-starter. period.
I think Cal and Stanford are only at play because the ACC is unstable.
I really think our target is the AAC, and we go raid them. I say we go after their top 4:
North Texas: R1 university in Dallas Texas. they have a $1.6 billion annual budget, big research university, endowment on par with CSU/WSU, behind OSU. above SDSU. fits in with us.
Memphis: R1 university in... shockingly, Memphis, Tennessee. very similar in size and scope to North Texas.
Tulane: R1 University would immediately become the premier academic university in this conference and it wouldn't be close. It is in New Orleans.
then chose one of : Rice, UTSA, Tulsa.
There are other appealing options, but I think we are drifting a little too far east for my liking.
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Post by grayman on Sept 12, 2024 14:29:28 GMT -8
I am going to throw it out there that there is some chatter out of Sacramento that Sacramento State is going to make a play to move up to the Pac-12 or Mountain West. I have heard that there may be a lot of money behind it. I believe that Sacramento State will get a Mountain West invite before the Dakotas or Montana. Could definitely see Sac State moving up to MWC, and Easteen Washington for that matter. The Pac not so much. I don't blame them for making a play for the MWC. Zero shot at the Pac-12. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 14:29:31 GMT -8
I am going to throw it out there that there is some chatter out of Sacramento that Sacramento State is going to make a play to move up to the Pac-12 or Mountain West. I have heard that there may be a lot of money behind it. I believe that Sacramento State will get a Mountain West invite before the Dakotas or Montana. Could definitely see Sac State moving up to MWC, and Easteen Washington for that matter. The Pac not so much. Yeah. Zero chance they come to the Pac. Absolutely possible they come up to the MWC. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 14:33:53 GMT -8
Could definitely see Sac State moving up to MWC, and Easteen Washington for that matter. The Pac not so much. Yeah. Zero chance they come to the Pac. Absolutely possible they come up to the MWC. They (Sac St) would need a lot of $$$$. Their football and basketball facilities are terrible and no where close to any of the MWC schools (other than Hawaii's temporary football field) |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 14:35:30 GMT -8
Could definitely see Sac State moving up to MWC, and Easteen Washington for that matter. The Pac not so much. Yeah. Zero chance they come to the Pac. Absolutely possible they come up to the MWC. I hear that there is "a lot" of money. But I have not heard any real specifics. My question is how much are we really talking about. Any university is welcome to the Pac-12, as long as they come with a check with enough zeros. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 12, 2024 14:35:56 GMT -8
I think there is already a plan in place and just some convincing to do...I figure that they pulled in the "West" members and now they're trying to decide if they can move East and do two divisions or just stay West regional. If you had two sets of teams, there could be minimal travel across country, but at least you'd always have a partner to do so. The quotes about wanting to be near Big XII or ACC level - if you want to get that you're probably going to need to have a little more geographic appeal rather than just After Dark inventory. As I said in another post, there is just no way Stanford joins w/ Boise St and Fresno St. My guess is if they get 2-3 "Eastern" teams on board they try and sway a fourth with that... UTSA, Tulane, USF and Memphis... maybe Rice if you're desperate for baseball and Texas. I honestly don't think this will change OSU baseball's approach, especially if we can get top level talent to play against every year. Wildcard: Utah. They've never said anything really strong, pro-Big12 that I've seen in the time since they've signed. Yeah, they're happy, they aren't moving, etc. but yet they also supposedly helped out WSU somehow. So  I'd just like to know who the media partner is that is pushing this together. Dellenger said a media deal was already presented, yet CW acts dumb when asked about additional teams and expanding inventory. Apple? Fox? Espn as a result of a lawsuit? Maybe ESPN drops the ACC renewal and let's the remaining teams scatter to the other conferences and uses less money for the PAC-12? I'd like to revoke USF and Rice...and add in Florida St and Clemson. I mean, why not for Eastern anchors? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 14:39:44 GMT -8
Yeah. Zero chance they come to the Pac. Absolutely possible they come up to the MWC. They (Sac St) would need a lot of $$$$. Their football and basketball facilities are terrible and no where close to any of the MWC schools (other than Hawaii's temporary football field) I mean, if they get an agreement from the Kings to play at the Golden 1 Center, they are about halfway there with regards to facilities. Both football stadiums in Sacramento, though, leave a lot to be desired. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 12, 2024 14:43:33 GMT -8
In Scott Barnes I trust
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 12, 2024 14:45:55 GMT -8
Assuming ACC implosion and Stanford snobbery, I'd go:
UNLV, Cal, UTSA, SMU, Texas St, Memphis.
Ends up with
West division: OSU/WSU/Boise St/SDSU/Cal/Fresno St
East division: UNLV/Colorado St/Texas St/UTSA/SMU/Memphis
It's not the SEC, but it's got some solid & growing TV markets and schools that are investing heavily in athletics (I think).
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 14:50:57 GMT -8
Yeah. Zero chance they come to the Pac. Absolutely possible they come up to the MWC. I hear that there is "a lot" of money. But I have not heard any real specifics. My question is how much are we really talking about. Any university is welcome to the Pac-12, as long as they come with a check with enough zeros. That's not true. not ANY, not just because you have money. You have to represent value. Does Sac St. have value to the conference? Fresno State and Boise State, despite some of our turned up noses, actually represent value. They have strong football and basketball programs mostly. they have rabid fan bases. they have people that show up and watch them on TV. They have okayish media markets. If Sacramento State, which is in a large media area, could show they DO have a large following, they DO have adequate funding, they can field competitive teams, and people would tune in. Okay, sure we can listen. I don't think they can show that. It think they gotta show that at the MWC level first. Sac St is a sub $100 million endowment university. They hardly do research. they have all of 5 PhD offerings. they simply are no where near the level of university we are looking for. Maybe some crazy donor has a lot of money. Okay great. how much and how long? and does that make up for taking the spot of a university that can add tens of millions of dollars annually to a media deal? No, Sac St. ain't on any short, medium, or long list. they are may be on the MWC list though. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 15:05:59 GMT -8
I hear that there is "a lot" of money. But I have not heard any real specifics. My question is how much are we really talking about. Any university is welcome to the Pac-12, as long as they come with a check with enough zeros. That's not true. not ANY, not just because you have money. You have to represent value. Does Sac St. have value to the conference? Fresno State and Boise State, despite some of our turned up noses, actually represent value. They have strong football and basketball programs mostly. they have rabid fan bases. they have people that show up and watch them on TV. They have okayish media markets. If Sacramento State, which is in a large media area, could show they DO have a large following, they DO have adequate funding, they can field competitive teams, and people would tune in. Okay, sure we can listen. I don't think they can show that. It think they gotta show that at the MWC level first. Sac St is a sub $100 million endowment university. They hardly do research. they have all of 5 PhD offerings. they simply are no where near the level of university we are looking for. Maybe some crazy donor has a lot of money. Okay great. how much and how long? and does that make up for taking the spot of a university that can add tens of millions of dollars annually to a media deal? No, Sac St. ain't on any short, medium, or long list. they are may be on the MWC list though. At the sub-doctoral level, Sacramento State is a better university than Boise State or Fresno State. Sacramento State has a larger academic budget than Fresno. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest media market in the Untied States of America, larger than Portland. Sacramento State had the third-largest budget of all FCS teams behind only Davis and Stony Brook. In football, Sacramento State made the FCS playoffs last year, winning the first game before losing to #3 South Dakota 34-24. Sacramento State played at San Jose and Fresno to start the season this year, losing 42-24 and 46-30, respectively. Sacramento State's basketball team lost in the semifinals to eventual Big Sky Champion Montana State. If they could immediately pour millions into upgrading the football stadium and securing a decent place to play basketball, there is a ton of potential there. |
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