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Post by irimi on Sept 12, 2024 7:19:45 GMT -8
We were stripped of our Power 5 ranking. Will we be able to get it back? Or does it even matter?
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 12, 2024 7:22:21 GMT -8
For those who think we are doing the same as oregon, etc..well it isn't accurate. We (wazoo and us) are asking teams to join us. Each of the four could have said No. Oregon, etc.. also had a choice they could have also said No. They didnt. The Pac2 had no such decision we were never invited.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 12, 2024 7:27:23 GMT -8
We were stripped of our Power 5 ranking. Will we be able to get it back? Or does it even matter? The original CBS Sports article said the Pac12 still legally maintains autonomous 5 status; the Athletic article disputed it. I know in our favour - the legalese specifically listed the Pac 12 as one of the autonomous 5 and that was removed when the conference dropped to two institutions but what I haven't seen anyone be clear on is if the Pac12 gets that back as soon as they hit 8 members by virtue of being explicitly named in whatever documents and being a full and vested NCAA conference. That also doesn't mean it can't be changed whatever it currently means and the SEC and B1G probably will have something to say about it if it means moving the playoff back to 5+7 instead of the current 6+6 since it removes an at large from the table.
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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Sept 12, 2024 7:28:04 GMT -8
For those who think we are doing the same as oregon, etc..well it isn't accurate. We (wazoo and us) are asking teams to join us. Each of the four could have said No. Oregon, etc.. also had a choice they could have also said No. They didnt. The Pac2 had no such decision we were never invited. Sounds like the same thing to me.
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Post by irimi on Sept 12, 2024 7:32:02 GMT -8
This move has a lot of potential. Each of those schools has the ability to play at a high level and will probably continue to grow and grow stronger. It's a move that looks to the future, not the past.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 7:45:09 GMT -8
UNLV yeah, for sure. But it is only partially about how good the actually sports are. It is how big your media market is and your alumni base and your reach. That is why UNLV and Vegas is crucial, while Utah State and Logan is, not as much. Although it does flirt with the SLC area. It is alway why I think there is potential with SJSU. I know as a school and a program they aren't there yet. I think they can be and the Bay Area is a desirable place to have a presence. but if we aren't going there, is it because we think we have a shot at Cal coming back? I don't really believe that, but it makes you wonder. Nobody in the Bay Area media market gives a crap about SJSU sports. I would be very surprised if they were added. Nobody gives a crap right now. That is sort of the point here. If SJSU was consistently good, they sit in a 18 million person market. If they can elevate, get a couple million more bucks for a budget, little better exposure, little better recruiting, little more attention, etc. And, ideally, they can hopefully set up a routine OOC with one of Cal or Stanford every year. Practically speaking. yeah. nobody cares today. They are appropriately not at the top of the list. But being somewhere big on the ground floor is better than not being there at all. It is why I like them to as a candidate to round out a list. Obviously not a top tier choice. One of them, they have potential and upside choices. UNLV really should be pried away though.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 12, 2024 7:47:59 GMT -8
UNLV has to be the next move right?
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Post by idaho on Sept 12, 2024 7:49:27 GMT -8
There are no P4 schools to "rebuild with." Where did I say there were any? Lol Then why are you complaining about the 4 schools added? LOL.... What other four schools are there to add? They obviously targeted who they thought were the best schools to add first. This is not the end. The fallout of the ACC and what could lead to another domino effect could add more schools. To become a "viable" conference, I am not sure how you can add any more "Pacific" teams to the conference. It would be cool to have a Pacific Atlantic Coast Conference with 6 on each coast and the champions playing each other in the title game.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 12, 2024 7:50:59 GMT -8
Per Dellenger: "In negotiations with potential new members, Pac-12 officials and third parties have presented a plan that features a new media rights agreement worth more than the MWC’s current or future television package, as well as the sponsorship potential of the Pac-12 brand."
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Post by ftd on Sept 12, 2024 7:54:10 GMT -8
Oregon STATE Washington STATE Colorado STATE Boise STATE Fresno STATE San Diego STATE Maybe ALLSTATE Insurance is looking to sponsor a league?
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 12, 2024 7:57:35 GMT -8
For those who think we are doing the same as oregon, etc..well it isn't accurate. We (wazoo and us) are asking teams to join us. Each of the four could have said No. Oregon, etc.. also had a choice they could have also said No. They didnt. The Pac2 had no such decision we were never invited. Sounds like the same thing to me. I guess it's the same in that the 4 mwc teams could have each said no we are staying where we are.. So I guess the four schools can be blamed for the downfall of the mwc. Oregon, etc..could have each said no they didn't. Therefore they are blamed for the downfall of the pac12. The Pac2 simply asked if teams wanted to join we didn't make them or require them.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 12, 2024 8:00:33 GMT -8
This move has a lot of potential. Each of those schools has the ability to play at a high level and will probably continue to grow and grow stronger. It's a move that looks to the future, not the past. My own reaction: You have to start somewhere. The future will determine whether or not it was a good idea. And that future assessment will depend a great deal on the subsequent media contracts. Ain't it great?
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Post by ag87 on Sept 12, 2024 8:03:24 GMT -8
As we all know, the bay area doesn't support collegiate sports to a big extent. And SJSU will always be #3 in that market. The following makes zero sense in the short term, but Sacramento State holds more potential if you are looking 20 years in the future. San Jose is driven by high tech and the computer industry. Sacramento is historically much more agriculture and blue-collar based. It would take a sustained effort by the university to build local support but they have more of a foundation as the other state school in San Jose.
For reference, per the 2020 census and 2023 estimates, Sac's metro population is 2.71M. The San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose CSA is 9.48M. Drilling down, from that last number, the San Jose/Sunnyvale/Santa Clara MSA is 1.95M. MSA is metropolitan statistical area and CSA is combined statistical area.
edit: I'm not sure why but the Stockton MSA is 801K and Modesto's is 551K, which are both included in the San Francisco CSA and not Sacramento's.
For reference and interest, the Fresno/Hanford/Corcoran CSA is 1.33M. The Reno/Carson City CSA is 699K. The San Diego/Chula Vista/Carlsbad MSA is 3.27M. The Los Angeles/Long Beach CSA is 18.3M.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 8:09:40 GMT -8
I wonder how all the 'forever Beavs' that bailed on their schoo/teams feel now? inferior I guess?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 8:11:01 GMT -8
We were stripped of our Power 5 ranking. Will we be able to get it back? Or does it even matter? They aren't going to decentralize anything anytime soon.
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