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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2024 22:46:24 GMT -8
...has come and gone.
It will be interesting to see what the 2025 football schedule looks like
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 1, 2024 22:49:29 GMT -8
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Post by jefframp on Sept 2, 2024 6:18:24 GMT -8
From Canzano: Pac-12 and Mountain West did not reach an agreement on Sunday to extend their current football scheduling partnership for another year.
“We’re too far apart,” said one source.
Oregon State and Washington State signed on to play six football games this season against Mountain West opponents. The Pac-12 is paying the MWC $14 million for those games. The agreement included a mutual Sept. 1 deadline for the sides to extend the partnership for the 2025 season, but OSU and WSU are exploring other options, per sources.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 2, 2024 6:56:07 GMT -8
From Canzano: Pac-12 and Mountain West did not reach an agreement on Sunday to extend their current football scheduling partnership for another year. “We’re too far apart,” said one source. Oregon State and Washington State signed on to play six football games this season against Mountain West opponents. The Pac-12 is paying the MWC $14 million for those games. The agreement included a mutual Sept. 1 deadline for the sides to extend the partnership for the 2025 season, but OSU and WSU are exploring other options, per sources. Hell with that we can just schedule bad teams and be fine SOS wise. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 2, 2024 7:14:02 GMT -8
If this part of the schedule holds, Wilky and others get their wish, regarding continued play against the slug eaters |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 2, 2024 7:24:42 GMT -8
If this part of the schedule holds, Wilky and others get their wish, regarding continued play against the slug eaters Known that for a while. OSU and Oregon agreed to home and home for 2024/2025 in like December of last year. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 2, 2024 7:59:26 GMT -8
Plus Washington State - that's 5 good games lined up already.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 2, 2024 8:18:42 GMT -8
The MW is a backup plan. This is potentially good news.......And what we have on the books for '25 is pretty good. Like I said before, I'm softening on the not wanting to play hole thing. I'm all for whatever gives us a better chance to stay somewhat relevant in college football.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 2, 2024 8:43:35 GMT -8
Amy deadline is flexible.
"Too far apart" now doesn't really mean anything if they keep talking.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 2, 2024 9:28:56 GMT -8
From Canzano: Pac-12 and Mountain West did not reach an agreement on Sunday to extend their current football scheduling partnership for another year. “We’re too far apart,” said one source. Oregon State and Washington State signed on to play six football games this season against Mountain West opponents. The Pac-12 is paying the MWC $14 million for those games. The agreement included a mutual Sept. 1 deadline for the sides to extend the partnership for the 2025 season, but OSU and WSU are exploring other options, per sources. Why pay for the right to play them one year when we can buy the teams outright for a conference if we have too? we do have the upper hand there. The strong teams of the MWC will want to be stronger. We still don't want to, and will take it to the wire, but I wouldn't spend money we don't have stringing along a less ideal schedule when we are trying to get back in a big conference and then ultimately staring at a reality of needing to build the Pac-12 anyways. we are just going to need to buy out team contracts anyways probably. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 2, 2024 9:37:48 GMT -8
It looks like they might not even be talking at this point. And IMO this is at least partly about the Pac-12 trying to add games with Big 12 and/or ACC teams as has been reported.
From Wilner:
Don't expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either.
An agreement for the 2025 season "isn't happening at all," according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply "too far apart."
Wilner's source said that this is not an indication one way or the other about what conference OSU and WSU might end up in.
However...from Wilner:
But the financial piece wasn't the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn't fit smoothly within the Pac-12's long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible - in case of additional realignment - and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 2, 2024 9:56:47 GMT -8
It looks like they might not even be talking at this point. And IMO this is at least partly about the Pac-12 trying to add games with Big 12 and/or ACC teams as has been reported. From Wilner: Don't expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either. An agreement for the 2025 season "isn't happening at all," according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply "too far apart." Wilner's source said that this is not an indication one way or the other about what conference OSU and WSU might end up in. However...from Wilner: But the financial piece wasn't the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn't fit smoothly within the Pac-12's long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible - in case of additional realignment - and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities. Part of the "flexibility" is the buyout clause for the MWC teams. If they had agreed for 2025 the MWC wanted to extend that portion of the agreement. Without the agreement there is no penalty to WSU or OSU to poach teams. The MWC can impose penalties on teams leaving their conference agreement, but not on the Pac2 teams. MWC is trying to protect itself with the escalating buyout penalties, while the Pac2 wants the option to rebuild without depleting their funds. And, with their media deal expiring and the looming ACC lawsuits, the MWC may have no footing to levy penalties to teams wanting to leave. If we want to talk rumors SD St, Nevada, UNLV, and Boise have been said to be looking favorably to joining the revamped Pac12. If they can "escape" cheap or free the Pac12 would only need (2) more teams to meet the NCAA conference limits. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 2, 2024 10:12:20 GMT -8
It looks like they might not even be talking at this point. And IMO this is at least partly about the Pac-12 trying to add games with Big 12 and/or ACC teams as has been reported. From Wilner: Don't expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either. An agreement for the 2025 season "isn't happening at all," according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply "too far apart." Wilner's source said that this is not an indication one way or the other about what conference OSU and WSU might end up in. However...from Wilner: But the financial piece wasn't the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn't fit smoothly within the Pac-12's long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible - in case of additional realignment - and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities. Part of the "flexibility" is the buyout clause for the MWC teams. If they had agreed for 2025 the MWC wanted to extend that portion of the agreement. Without the agreement there is no penalty to WSU or OSU to poach teams. The MWC can impose penalties on teams leaving their conference agreement, but not on the Pac2 teams. MWC is trying to protect itself with the escalating buyout penalties, while the Pac2 wants the option to rebuild without depleting their funds. And, with their media deal expiring and the looming ACC lawsuits, the MWC may have no footing to levy penalties to teams wanting to leave. If we want to talk rumors SD St, Nevada, UNLV, and Boise have been said to be looking favorably to joining the revamped Pac12. If they can "escape" cheap or free the Pac12 would only need (2) more teams to meet the NCAA conference limits. Yep. OSU really has no incentive to pay premiums for games for a year when, if they had to, they can just "buy" the teams ,so to speak, into a conference if that is what it actually comes to. If we are going to spend millions buying games, it needs to be games people are going to watch on TV. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 2, 2024 10:36:26 GMT -8
It looks like they might not even be talking at this point. And IMO this is at least partly about the Pac-12 trying to add games with Big 12 and/or ACC teams as has been reported. From Wilner: Don't expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either. An agreement for the 2025 season "isn't happening at all," according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply "too far apart." Wilner's source said that this is not an indication one way or the other about what conference OSU and WSU might end up in. However...from Wilner: But the financial piece wasn't the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn't fit smoothly within the Pac-12's long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible - in case of additional realignment - and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities. Part of the "flexibility" is the buyout clause for the MWC teams. If they had agreed for 2025 the MWC wanted to extend that portion of the agreement. Without the agreement there is no penalty to WSU or OSU to poach teams. The MWC can impose penalties on teams leaving their conference agreement, but not on the Pac2 teams. MWC is trying to protect itself with the escalating buyout penalties, while the Pac2 wants the option to rebuild without depleting their funds. And, with their media deal expiring and the looming ACC lawsuits, the MWC may have no footing to levy penalties to teams wanting to leave. If we want to talk rumors SD St, Nevada, UNLV, and Boise have been said to be looking favorably to joining the revamped Pac12. If they can "escape" cheap or free the Pac12 would only need (2) more teams to meet the NCAA conference limits. I think that a rebuild only really makes sense if the Pac-12 has access to Stanford and Cal and maybe SMU. Then you have a foundation of 4-5 "power conference" level teams and then add San Diego State, Boise State, UNLV, etc. I don't see it as financially viable (as far as potential media money, etc.) for OSU and WSU to rebuild otherwise and maybe not even in this form. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 2, 2024 20:52:14 GMT -8
It looks like they might not even be talking at this point. And IMO this is at least partly about the Pac-12 trying to add games with Big 12 and/or ACC teams as has been reported. From Wilner: Don't expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either. An agreement for the 2025 season "isn't happening at all," according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply "too far apart." Wilner's source said that this is not an indication one way or the other about what conference OSU and WSU might end up in. However...from Wilner: But the financial piece wasn't the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn't fit smoothly within the Pac-12's long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible - in case of additional realignment - and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities. Part of the "flexibility" is the buyout clause for the MWC teams. If they had agreed for 2025 the MWC wanted to extend that portion of the agreement. Without the agreement there is no penalty to WSU or OSU to poach teams. The MWC can impose penalties on teams leaving their conference agreement, but not on the Pac2 teams. MWC is trying to protect itself with the escalating buyout penalties, while the Pac2 wants the option to rebuild without depleting their funds. And, with their media deal expiring and the looming ACC lawsuits, the MWC may have no footing to levy penalties to teams wanting to leave. If we want to talk rumors SD St, Nevada, UNLV, and Boise have been said to be looking favorably to joining the revamped Pac12. If they can "escape" cheap or free the Pac12 would only need (2) more teams to meet the NCAA conference limits. This is an excellent point and one that is not really talked about. But, if there is no ACC or Big 12 invite, if the ACC falls apart, the Mountain West may similarly fall apart. In that scenario, you absolutely do not want to extend a relationship with a conference another year, when you are looking to tear it apart the year after for several reasons. |
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