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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 3, 2024 7:43:07 GMT -8
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 3, 2024 7:51:28 GMT -8
The spin from the MWC and their dim witted commissioner is absolutely hilarious. The fact of the matter is WSU and OSU do NOT need the mediocre MW. There are other conferences and programs more willing to schedule the PAC 2 for â25. Good luck MWC. When we land in a P4 or rebuild the PAC back into one, even your best schools will wish they could have joined.
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 3, 2024 8:21:49 GMT -8
If we have to rebuild the Pac it will be with their best schools. I don't see any other way. What other schools are available that make geographic sense?
I applaud Barnes for looking elsewhere for non MWC match ups. Doubt Barnes was happy with the bargain she drove last summer. IMO she took advantage of how pressed we were for time to put the gouge on us. I don't know why we need a scheduling agreement with her to schedule those MWC teams that are good matchups for us, such as Fresno State, Boise State, Air Force, directly going forward.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 3, 2024 8:23:48 GMT -8
If we have to rebuild the Pac it will be with their best schools. I don't see any other way. What other schools are available that make geographic sense? I applaud Barnes for looking elsewhere for non MWC match ups. Doubt Barnes was happy with the bargain she drove last summer. IMO she took advantage of how pressed we were for time to put the gouge on us. I don't know why we need a scheduling agreement with her to schedule those MWC teams that are good matchups for us, such as Fresno State, Boise State, Air Force, directly going forward. Well said. I think Gloria and Kliavkoff must be related. Almost certainty both lead conferences to not great deals. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 3, 2024 8:25:39 GMT -8
The spin from the MWC and their dim witted commissioner is absolutely hilarious. The fact of the matter is WSU and OSU do NOT need the mediocre MW. There are other conferences and programs more willing to schedule the PAC 2 for â25. Good luck MWC. When we land in a P4 or rebuild the PAC back into one, even your best schools will wish they could have joined. Agreed. They don't have the leverage they had last year. It's all laid out in that article Skrimshander linked. Barnes knows what's at stake. He will exhaust all avenues to get higher profile scheduling. It's a no-brainer. Only thing I may disagree on is if we rebuild the PAC, I could see poaching the "best" MW schools......TV market, and regional rivalry. SDSU, UNLV, Boise......I have a soft spot for Reno đ |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 3, 2024 8:45:55 GMT -8
The spin from the MWC and their dim witted commissioner is absolutely hilarious. The fact of the matter is WSU and OSU do NOT need the mediocre MW. There are other conferences and programs more willing to schedule the PAC 2 for â25. Good luck MWC. When we land in a P4 or rebuild the PAC back into one, even your best schools will wish they could have joined. Agreed. They don't have the leverage they had last year. It's all laid out in that article Skrimshander linked. Barnes knows what's at stake. He will exhaust all avenues to get higher profile scheduling. It's a no-brainer. Only thing I may disagree on is if we rebuild the PAC, I could see poaching the "best" MW schools......TV market, and regional rivalry. SDSU, UNLV, Boise......I have a soft spot for Reno đ I have to agree with you about pulling the MWâs best teams. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 3, 2024 8:55:44 GMT -8
The spin from the MWC and their dim witted commissioner is absolutely hilarious. The fact of the matter is WSU and OSU do NOT need the mediocre MW. There are other conferences and programs more willing to schedule the PAC 2 for â25. Good luck MWC. When we land in a P4 or rebuild the PAC back into one, even your best schools will wish they could have joined. Agreed. They don't have the leverage they had last year. It's all laid out in that article Skrimshander linked. Barnes knows what's at stake. He will exhaust all avenues to get higher profile scheduling. It's a no-brainer. Only thing I may disagree on is if we rebuild the PAC, I could see poaching the "best" MW schools......TV market, and regional rivalry. SDSU, UNLV, Boise......I have a soft spot for Reno đ So UNR rather than UNLV? |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 3, 2024 9:25:39 GMT -8
The future just got a little brighter for the PAC 2!!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 3, 2024 10:13:27 GMT -8
Agreed. They don't have the leverage they had last year. It's all laid out in that article Skrimshander linked. Barnes knows what's at stake. He will exhaust all avenues to get higher profile scheduling. It's a no-brainer. Only thing I may disagree on is if we rebuild the PAC, I could see poaching the "best" MW schools......TV market, and regional rivalry. SDSU, UNLV, Boise......I have a soft spot for Reno đ So UNR rather than UNLV? I mentioned UNLV......and I know the Vegas market is the attractive one. I just like Reno a lot more. When we lived down there UNR was better than UNLV in football....Chris Ault days. The battle for the Fremont cannon is their CW, and it's intense! I would love to have both schools somehow in a re-imagined Pac ....but that's just my selfish wish |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 3, 2024 10:44:48 GMT -8
I mentioned UNLV......and I know the Vegas market is the attractive one. I just like Reno a lot more. When we lived down there UNR was better than UNLV in football....Chris Ault days. The battle for the Fremont cannon is their CW, and it's intense! I would love to have both schools somehow in a re-imagined Pac ....but that's just my selfish wish I would prefer Reno over Wyoming in a rebuilt Pac, they do have a strong rivalry with UNLV, not to mention easier travel. But man, UNRs football stadium is as podunk as it gets and they struggle to get 20K there in down seasons. On the flip side, UNRs hoops program is one of the better ones in the MWC, and the dude who owns GSR has proposed a new state of the art 10K arena thst will be the new home of UNR hoops. The problem there is UNR already has a nice facility on campus. With revenue upside in college hoops, UNR has an outside shot. Same with New Mexico. I'm not sure either trump Wyoming, but Wyoming brings zero visibility. |
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 3, 2024 14:42:40 GMT -8
Here's how those schools fared against Power 4 competition last week:
UNLV beat Houston 27-7
Colo State got waxed by Texas 0-52
Hawaii lost a close one to UCLA 13-16
Wyoming got clobbered by ASU 7-48
New Mexico ditto AZ 39-61 (New Mexico also lost to FCS Montana State the week before)
Nevada lost narrowly to SMU 24-29
Also, no one has mentioned Fresno State but they played defending national champ Michigan and lost 10-30. Ironically this loss was probably the league's best showing given the opponent. Fresno State was within 10-16 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th. Statistically the game was close. Each had 18 first downs. Michigan ran 3 more plays and had a total yardage edge of 269-244.
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Post by seastape on Sept 3, 2024 19:49:38 GMT -8
Here's how those schools fared against Power 4 competition last week: UNLV beat Houston 27-7 Colo State got waxed by Texas 0-52 Hawaii lost a close one to UCLA 13-16 Wyoming got clobbered by ASU 7-48 New Mexico ditto AZ 39-61 (New Mexico also lost to FCS Montana State the week before) Nevada lost narrowly to SMU 24-29 Also, no one has mentioned Fresno State but they played defending national champ Michigan and lost 10-30. Ironically this loss was probably the league's best showing given the opponent. Fresno State was within 10-16 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th. Statistically the game was close. Each had 18 first downs. Michigan ran 3 more plays and had a total yardage edge of 269-244. If the Pac 12 rebuilds with the best teams, I think they have to include Fresno State. If for no other reason to provide a rival to SDSU. But Fresno State has been, for the most part, a solid program for quite some time. My top four would be SDS, Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Next four CS, Wyoming, Air Force, and UNR, I guess. It's tough to get beyond 7. NM? SJSU? UH? USU? No. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 3, 2024 21:23:30 GMT -8
Here's how those schools fared against Power 4 competition last week: UNLV beat Houston 27-7 Colo State got waxed by Texas 0-52 Hawaii lost a close one to UCLA 13-16 Wyoming got clobbered by ASU 7-48 New Mexico ditto AZ 39-61 (New Mexico also lost to FCS Montana State the week before) Nevada lost narrowly to SMU 24-29 Also, no one has mentioned Fresno State but they played defending national champ Michigan and lost 10-30. Ironically this loss was probably the league's best showing given the opponent. Fresno State was within 10-16 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th. Statistically the game was close. Each had 18 first downs. Michigan ran 3 more plays and had a total yardage edge of 269-244. If the Pac 12 rebuilds with the best teams, I think they have to include Fresno State. If for no other reason to provide a rival to SDSU. But Fresno State has been, for the most part, a solid program for quite some time. My top four would be SDS, Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Next four CS, Wyoming, Air Force, and UNR, I guess. It's tough to get beyond 7. NM? SJSU? UH? USU? No. The five most obvious are Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, San Diego State, and UNLV. Boise and UNLV's biggest historical conference rivals are both Nevada. Colorado State's biggest rival is Wyoming. Fresno and San Diego State's biggest rivals are each other. Air Force is the next most-obvious add. Air Force's two biggest rivals are Colorado State and Wyoming. That gets you to 10, which is preferable, because it gives you the opportunity to play a conference championship game. If you could sub out Wyoming for San Jose State or Utah State, that would probably be preferable, because the media markets for both are larger. New Mexico is preferable to Hawai'i Wyoming, if we get down that far down the rabbit hole. But you would need Air Force and Colorado State to go along. I am still not so sure that Air Force does not join the American Athletic Conference in the next round of realignments. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 3, 2024 21:27:07 GMT -8
For a long time, Fresno and San Jose were big rivals. I could see being in the same conference as Fresno, but not SJSU.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 4, 2024 9:01:13 GMT -8
The spin from the MWC and their dim witted commissioner is absolutely hilarious. The fact of the matter is WSU and OSU do NOT need the mediocre MW. There are other conferences and programs more willing to schedule the PAC 2 for â25. Good luck MWC. When we land in a P4 or rebuild the PAC back into one, even your best schools will wish they could have joined. I mean, I think this is exactly why the spin is there. they know their leverage is poor and the threat of being plundered is real. She is doing everything GK SHOULD of done as a commissioner, everything in her power to secure the future of her conference for the wellbeing of everyone. She was trying to negotiate a deal that prevented future plundering, or brought in more money, or gave more security to the small guys. The betting odds are still favoring OSU/WSU rebuild the Pac using the majority of the strongest MWC. She knows this. it is the reality she is fighting. We all want that P4 invite, but that is the outside chance we are hoping for. |
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