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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2024 0:28:03 GMT -8
Iowa and Iowa State stopped playing after Iowa stopped returning Iowa State's calls after 1934. The game restarted after a more than 42-year hiatus. And Iowa were still such entitled narcissists that they demanded that the first four games be played in Iowa City. And Iowa State played 'em in Iowa City four times and beat 'em twice. Because they were not a bunch of self-pitying sniveling cowards. Georgia stopped playing football during World War I, but Georgia Tech kept playing. Georgia made fun of Georgia Tech doing so in a parade in 1919, so Georgia Tech refused to play Georgia until 1925. Georgia Tech left the SEC in 1964, because they believed themselves to be better than most of the other teams and because they refused to over-sign like the other teams, mostly Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State. They are a better fit in the more education-focused ACC than the SEC. Clemson and South Carolina playing was actually written into state law in 1952. The move to mandate the game be played was one of the first shots across the bow of the old Southern Conference. Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina, and Wake left the Southern Conference to found the ACC in 1953 with previously independent Virginia. Clemson v. South Carolina was played the Thursday during the State Fair until 1959. It then began to be played on Saturdays thereafter. South Carolina left the ACC after 1970, because they felt victimized over basketball (South Carolina went undefeated in ACC play in 1969-70 but lost the Championship Game to NC State and did not play in the Tournament) and because South Carolina did not like the 800 SAT rule at the time. South Carolina thought that they would be invited by another conference right away but were not, because of weird structural issues with the South Carolina Athletic Department. After the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional, Clemson tried to get them back into the ACC but were shot down by Duke, North Carolina, and Virginia. South Carolina tried to reorganize its Athletic Department to make it more likely to be invited to a different conference but could not until after 1980. In 1975, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, and Tulane founded the Metro Conference. Georgia Tech left after three seasons to join the ACC to fill in the spot that South Carolina had vacated. Florida State and Virginia Tech joined in 1976 and 1978, respectively. Southern Miss replaced St. Louis in 1982. And South Carolina joined in 1983. South Carolina played there until receiving the SEC invite in 1991. Cincinnati, Florida State, and Memphis each left that year as well. Florida State went to the ACC. The other two started up the Great Midwest Conference with Dayton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, and UAB. A lot of old South Carolina fans are still bitter towards Clemson, because they thought that Clemson would leave with them out of the ACC in 1970 and did not work harder to get South Carolina back into the ACC after the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional. A lot of Clemson fans are still upset that South Carolina left in the first place. From 1905-1947, Florida was the men's college and Florida State was the women's college. Florida State started up its football team in 1947. Florida State played in the Dixie Conference from 1947 -1951 but left to become an independent. Florida, the ancient blue-blood program, refused to schedule Florida State until 1958 and then only agreed to play every year in Gainesville. Florida went 5-0-1 in those games. The tie was compared to being comparable to a "death in the family" by Florida's head coach. Florida State upgraded Doak in 1964 to 40,500 seats (up from 25,000 before). It was only after the 1964 upgrade that Florida agreed to a home-and-home with Florida State winning the first game at Doak. Florida State only won twice int he first 19 meetings. Bobby Bowden was the head coach finally in the 19th meeting, and he proceeded to win the next four. Bowden went 13-11-1 in his first 25 games against Florida after that first loss. (And Florida blew a 31-3 lead in the tie, the Choke at Doak.) The Cyhawk Trophy is such a big deal, because Iowa State refused to accept mediocrity and were not cowards. Play in Iowa City four times for a home-and-home thereafter? Absolutely. They were not cowed, and they were not scared. Georgia did not stop playing Georgia Tech after Georgia Tech left. And Georgia Tech was never so cowed and scared as to cancel the rivalry with Georgia. Clemson did not stop playing South Carolina after South Carolina left. And South Carolina, despite its severe economic plight until 1983, did not feel so cowed and scared of Clemson that it stopped playing. And Clemson at a huge economic disadvantage since 1992 has not felt so cowed and scared to cancel the series. Florida freaking State, the women's college, played in Gainesville six straight times to start up a series and went 2-15-1 before hiring Bowden. They kept after it. They were not cowed and scared enough to cancel the series. And all of the teams have been handsomely rewarded for keeping after it, and not scheduling scared. And not being swept up in petulant, thoughtless emotion. Scared? I'm not scared. I'm saying that what we called The Civil War or The Rivalry Game meant something special but it's now meaningless and it debases the memory of that great rivalry to try to keep it alive today. You simply think that it may profit us to continue the series in this uncertain time. I respect that opinion and won't call you a money-grubbing whore who sells his values on the street corner. lol Actually, the decision isn't mine to make, or yours, so we just show our approval or dissatisfaction like fans do. I won't tune in, but you will. And all of that is fine. Adapt or die. Times change. If we do not change and innovate with them, we will fall by the wayside into a sea of mediocrity and insignificance that holds what is left of Sears, Kodak, and Blockbuster Video. Oregon State is the Oakland Athletics. Oregon State has been the Oakland Athletics for the last 40 years. The Beavs to do more with less. Oregon State must utilize all advantages. If the Beavs do not, they will fail. And money is the lifeblood of everything. Like it or not, it must be that way. You must create a product that people want, and you must sell that product. If you not, you will wind up in the dustbin of history. Oregon State cannot fail to adapt. The Beavs simply cannot afford it. Oregon State must create a product that people want and sell it. Beaming the Civil War into households around the world is a great way to do that. Historically one of the nation's premier rivalry games. That is something obvious that Oregon State has that it can sell. And it must sell it. Because what else do we have? Seriously, we have something valuable, and you would throw it away for arrogant pride? "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Civil War is only 99% as cool as it used to be. It is imperfect. Nuke it, and move on? C'mon, my friend. Get serious. You make a false equivalence. Whores sell themselves on street corners, because they lack other things that are valuable. They lack options. Here, Oregon State has options. Oregon State has things that are marketable, something that people want that holds a great intrinsic and extrinsic value. And you would have us throw it away, because it is less great than it used to be? And what will Oregon State exactly have then? What else will the Beavs have that has value? Will we lack options? What exactly will Oregon State sell then. And will we be forced to sell it on street corners? Since we have absolutely nothing of any value, why don't you beat the rush brother and get out on that corner and start selling. The Beavs will need the money to offset the lack of a game against the Ducks. You are a Child of Summer, my friend. But Winter is Coming. Times are about to get tough. We must hold on to and market what is valuable and keep doing that, until things are less volatile. Like it? Don't like it? The current reality sucks. There can still be better days ahead. But we need to weather this storm first. And the Civil War looks like a great life raft to me at the moment. If you want to forego the life raft for some magic beans, because you don't like the color of the life raft or something be my guest. I'm climbing in and invite everyone else to do likewise. Besides, the Civil War might be coming to Corvallis for the last time in at least five years and maybe ever. Enjoy the great (or not quite so great, according to irimi) , while there is something great to enjoy. If it is the last time, we had a great run, yeah? 130 years. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at. You always hope for a grand and glorious end to match the grandiosity and gloriousness of the previous 130 years, and there still may be amazing things this year and next. We will see. Additionally, tuning out is the exact wrong response right now. Tune in for everything Oregon State. Always. Be a fan. Ignore everything not Oregon State. That is a great way of showing dissatisfaction. But always tune in for the Beavs. The team needs your eyeballs for a couple of years to try and find a soft spot to land. If you want to tune out, do it after the softest spot possible has been secured. I watched 56-14 in 2005. I watched 69-10 in 2017. I watched 55-15 in 2018. I do not know why I would not watch 2024. I will undoubtedly have seen worse. And you probably have, as well. We are gluttons for punishment. That is why we cheer on Oregon State after all this time. Finally, the 60th Civil War in Corvallis. Game 128 in the nation's fourth most-played rivalry. Something to cheer about, in spite of almost literally everything else going on around us.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jul 2, 2024 4:37:32 GMT -8
Scared? I'm not scared. I'm saying that what we called The Civil War or The Rivalry Game meant something special but it's now meaningless and it debases the memory of that great rivalry to try to keep it alive today. You simply think that it may profit us to continue the series in this uncertain time. I respect that opinion and won't call you a money-grubbing whore who sells his values on the street corner. lol Actually, the decision isn't mine to make, or yours, so we just show our approval or dissatisfaction like fans do. I won't tune in, but you will. And all of that is fine. Adapt or die. Times change. If we do not change and innovate with them, we will fall by the wayside into a sea of mediocrity and insignificance that holds what is left of Sears, Kodak, and Blockbuster Video. Oregon State is the Oakland Athletics. Oregon State has been the Oakland Athletics for the last 40 years. The Beavs to do more with less. Oregon State must utilize all advantages. If the Beavs do not, they will fail. And money is the lifeblood of everything. Like it or not, it must be that way. You must create a product that people want, and you must sell that product. If you not, you will wind up in the dustbin of history. Oregon State cannot fail to adapt. The Beavs simply cannot afford it. Oregon State must create a product that people want and sell it. Beaming the Civil War into households around the world is a great way to do that. Historically one of the nation's premier rivalry games. That is something obvious that Oregon State has that it can sell. And it must sell it. Because what else do we have? Seriously, we have something valuable, and you would throw it away for arrogant pride? "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Civil War is only 99% as cool as it used to be. It is imperfect. Nuke it, and move on? C'mon, my friend. Get serious. You make a false equivalence. Whores sell themselves on street corners, because they lack other things that are valuable. They lack options. Here, Oregon State has options. Oregon State has things that are marketable, something that people want that holds a great intrinsic and extrinsic value. And you would have us throw it away, because it is less great than it used to be? And what will Oregon State exactly have then? What else will the Beavs have that has value? Will we lack options? What exactly will Oregon State sell then. And will we be forced to sell it on street corners? Since we have absolutely nothing of any value, why don't you beat the rush brother and get out on that corner and start selling. The Beavs will need the money to offset the lack of a game against the Ducks. You are a Child of Summer, my friend. But Winter is Coming. Times are about to get tough. We must hold on to and market what is valuable and keep doing that, until things are less volatile. Like it? Don't like it? The current reality sucks. There can still be better days ahead. But we need to weather this storm first. And the Civil War looks like a great life raft to me at the moment. If you want to forego the life raft for some magic beans, because you don't like the color of the life raft or something be my guest. I'm climbing in and invite everyone else to do likewise. Besides, the Civil War might be coming to Corvallis for the last time in at least five years and maybe ever. Enjoy the great (or not quite so great, according to irimi) , while there is something great to enjoy. If it is the last time, we had a great run, yeah? 130 years. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at. You always hope for a grand and glorious end to match the grandiosity and gloriousness of the previous 130 years, and there still may be amazing things this year and next. We will see. Additionally, tuning out is the exact wrong response right now. Tune in for everything Oregon State. Always. Be a fan. Ignore everything not Oregon State. That is a great way of showing dissatisfaction. But always tune in for the Beavs. The team needs your eyeballs for a couple of years to try and find a soft spot to land. If you want to tune out, do it after the softest spot possible has been secured. I watched 56-14 in 2005. I watched 69-10 in 2017. I watched 55-15 in 2018. I do not know why I would not watch 2024. I will undoubtedly have seen worse. And you probably have, as well. We are gluttons for punishment. That is why we cheer on Oregon State after all this time. Finally, the 60th Civil War in Corvallis. Game 128 in the nation's fourth most-played rivalry. Something to cheer about, in spite of almost literally everything else going on around us. Based on the length of your posts you must have a lot of time on your hands.
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 2, 2024 5:20:32 GMT -8
Personally, I'd rather OSU never play UO in any athletic contest again. They want to join a conference on the other side of the country and F OSU while they do it? Well, that sucks, but I wouldn't help them defray any of those financial consequences in any way, shape or form. In fact, I would say the only way I'd even consider changing my opinion on that is if UO pays OSU $40M for any football game, home or away, and then, maybe. I can't get past that enough to even consider playing against them in any other sport. Emotional and illogical. Oregon State needs to play Oregon a hell of a lot more than Oregon needs to play Oregon State. It only helps Oregon State to play a home-and-home with a Big Ten team, like Oregon. ![](https://media4.giphy.com/media/pzuye8RSBJFgk/200.gif?cid=b92a3d88zpay9ekzhb70yj6wowfl4pv2grp9fyxykbpech6y&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.gif&ct=g)
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 2, 2024 5:51:33 GMT -8
Scared? I'm not scared. I'm saying that what we called The Civil War or The Rivalry Game meant something special but it's now meaningless and it debases the memory of that great rivalry to try to keep it alive today. You simply think that it may profit us to continue the series in this uncertain time. I respect that opinion and won't call you a money-grubbing whore who sells his values on the street corner. lol Actually, the decision isn't mine to make, or yours, so we just show our approval or dissatisfaction like fans do. I won't tune in, but you will. And all of that is fine. Adapt or die. Times change. If we do not change and innovate with them, we will fall by the wayside into a sea of mediocrity and insignificance that holds what is left of Sears, Kodak, and Blockbuster Video. Oregon State is the Oakland Athletics. Oregon State has been the Oakland Athletics for the last 40 years. The Beavs to do more with less. Oregon State must utilize all advantages. If the Beavs do not, they will fail. And money is the lifeblood of everything. Like it or not, it must be that way. You must create a product that people want, and you must sell that product. If you not, you will wind up in the dustbin of history. Oregon State cannot fail to adapt. The Beavs simply cannot afford it. Oregon State must create a product that people want and sell it. Beaming the Civil War into households around the world is a great way to do that. Historically one of the nation's premier rivalry games. That is something obvious that Oregon State has that it can sell. And it must sell it. Because what else do we have? Seriously, we have something valuable, and you would throw it away for arrogant pride? "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Civil War is only 99% as cool as it used to be. It is imperfect. Nuke it, and move on? C'mon, my friend. Get serious. You make a false equivalence. Whores sell themselves on street corners, because they lack other things that are valuable. They lack options. Here, Oregon State has options. Oregon State has things that are marketable, something that people want that holds a great intrinsic and extrinsic value. And you would have us throw it away, because it is less great than it used to be? And what will Oregon State exactly have then? What else will the Beavs have that has value? Will we lack options? What exactly will Oregon State sell then. And will we be forced to sell it on street corners? Since we have absolutely nothing of any value, why don't you beat the rush brother and get out on that corner and start selling. The Beavs will need the money to offset the lack of a game against the Ducks. You are a Child of Summer, my friend. But Winter is Coming. Times are about to get tough. We must hold on to and market what is valuable and keep doing that, until things are less volatile. Like it? Don't like it? The current reality sucks. There can still be better days ahead. But we need to weather this storm first. And the Civil War looks like a great life raft to me at the moment. If you want to forego the life raft for some magic beans, because you don't like the color of the life raft or something be my guest. I'm climbing in and invite everyone else to do likewise. Besides, the Civil War might be coming to Corvallis for the last time in at least five years and maybe ever. Enjoy the great (or not quite so great, according to irimi) , while there is something great to enjoy. If it is the last time, we had a great run, yeah? 130 years. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at. You always hope for a grand and glorious end to match the grandiosity and gloriousness of the previous 130 years, and there still may be amazing things this year and next. We will see. Additionally, tuning out is the exact wrong response right now. Tune in for everything Oregon State. Always. Be a fan. Ignore everything not Oregon State. That is a great way of showing dissatisfaction. But always tune in for the Beavs. The team needs your eyeballs for a couple of years to try and find a soft spot to land. If you want to tune out, do it after the softest spot possible has been secured. I watched 56-14 in 2005. I watched 69-10 in 2017. I watched 55-15 in 2018. I do not know why I would not watch 2024. I will undoubtedly have seen worse. And you probably have, as well. We are gluttons for punishment. That is why we cheer on Oregon State after all this time. Finally, the 60th Civil War in Corvallis. Game 128 in the nation's fourth most-played rivalry. Something to cheer about, in spite of almost literally everything else going on around us. I'm not considering any of that. There is no history or life raft scenario that will make me ever want to see the Beavs compete against that team from just south of Corvallis. None. I am not scared; I don't play, so there is nothing for me to be scared of. I say, take on any team that wants to roll the ball out on the field and have a contest, except one. And only one. I will never forget what UO did to OSU, and it's not just football. Their decision impacted the entire university. Their sister university. In the same state. Drawing from the same people. And it was done for money. I am no glutton for punishment, but I will say that I would prefer the Beavs never playing UO again to its own detriment than ever add a penny to UO coffers (or save them any semolians). There is nothing that can be fixed or improved by playing UO in football. Will it solve OSU's budget problems? Nope (possibly help a little, but the cost/value proposition doesn't seem to pencil out to me). Will it make the Beavs more relevant? Nope (the Beavs can find plenty of other suitable teams to play that would have a similar bump). Should we respect all the history and experiences it held? Bruh ... please. UO crapped on that already many, many times over. They have disrespected all of it, including the illustrious Pac-8/10/12 history. I've been a fan for over 40+ years and I've seen my share of doozies (games and years, and come to think of it, decades!). I may be a freshman on this board, but I'm no Johhny Come Lately. I used to right for Beaverfootball.com way back in the day, writing about Derek Anderson. All that is to say I think I have perspective at this point, and from my point of view, it ain't worth it ladies and gents. Am I duck hater? Absolutely, and unabashedly. They were a rival before; now they are detestable. F the ducks and their pretty little uniforms. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by messi on Jul 2, 2024 7:05:53 GMT -8
I don't want this to become what Tulane-LSU has become.
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Post by irimi on Jul 2, 2024 7:39:44 GMT -8
Adapt or die. Times change. (snip) So we agree.
Why are you still holding onto a dead tradition? Let it go, man.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2024 9:01:01 GMT -8
I don't want this to become what Tulane-LSU has become. Tulane was a charter member of the SEC. In 1951, Tulane cut scholarships, reduced funding to football, and required football players to focus on a major besides Physical Education. In 1965, Tulane was losing a half million dollars per year on the football team. It voted to leave the SEC to try and create a Southern Ivy Conference with teams like Duke, Rice, and SMU. However, those three ultimately remained in their conferences and let Tulane wither on the vine. Tulane played Florida for the next four years home-and-home. After 13 years off, Tulane then had a home and home with Florida in 1982 and 1984. Tulane actually had a 10-year rivalry with Florida State that started in 1983 that only ended after Florida State traded out the annual Tulane game for a home-and-home with Notre Dame. Tulane played Vandy every year for the next 22 years and 23 of the next 24 years before that rivalry ended. Tulane played LSU every year for the next 29 years and 30 of the next 31 years. Much like Florida State, LSU swapped out Tulane for a home-and-home with Notre Dame in 1997. After Hurricane Katrina, LSU and Tulane agreed to a 10-year home-and-home. After one trip to New Orleans, LSU forced Tulane to switch to a game in Baton Rouge in 2006 to accommodate a home-and-home with Washington. The game series was supposed to continue after 2009, but LSU demanded that all remaining games be played in Baton Rouge. Tulane refused. LSU bought out the rest of the series for $700,000 and an agreement that LSU would play Tulane again in New Orleans. So far, LSU has not agreed to schedule that game. Tulane did not voluntarily stop playing LSU. LSU stopped playing Tulane, because of money.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 2, 2024 9:06:02 GMT -8
I may be a freshman on this board, but I'm no Johhny Come Lately. I used to right for Beaverfootball.com way back in the day, writing about Derek Anderson. GO BEAVS!! ![](https://media4.giphy.com/media/m9XcY7KSHk6yRRA78C/200.gif?cid=b92a3d88ne2ia861xwpay8jjos2ifnyf9ytpbb750itiuwr0&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.gif&ct=g)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2024 9:09:33 GMT -8
Adapt or die. Times change. (snip) So we agree.
Why are you still holding onto a dead tradition? Let it go, man.
Steer into the skid? No, man. We decide who we are and where we want to go. Oregon State has already lost so much. I want the Beavs to hold on to every tradition possible. From 1959-1963, Oregon State played Stanford and Washington home-and-home every year. They kept the rivalries alive and Stanford, Washington, and Wazzu were able to convince the rest to re-invite Oregon State to the AAWU in 1964, saving the program. Oregon State choosing to water down its schedule is giving up. It may not be because you are scared. But that is how it will appear to everyone else. Oregon State is not serious about football. Oregon State is deemphasizing strength of schedule. Oregon State is settling for mediocrity. Oregon State is scared. Perception is reality. And that will, of course, be the perception.
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Post by messi on Jul 2, 2024 9:26:09 GMT -8
I don't want this to become what Tulane-LSU has become. Tulane was a charter member of the SEC. In 1951, Tulane cut scholarships, reduced funding to football, and required football players to focus on a major besides Physical Education. In 1965, Tulane was losing a half million dollars per year on the football team. It voted to leave the SEC to try and create a Southern Ivy Conference with teams like Duke, Rice, and SMU. However, those three ultimately remained in their conferences and let Tulane wither on the vine. Tulane played Florida for the next four years home-and-home. After 13 years off, Tulane then had a home and home with Florida in 1982 and 1984. Tulane actually had a 10-year rivalry with Florida State that started in 1983 that only ended after Florida State traded out the annual Tulane game for a home-and-home with Notre Dame. Tulane played Vandy every year for the next 22 years and 23 of the next 24 years before that rivalry ended. Tulane played LSU every year for the next 29 years and 30 of the next 31 years. Much like Florida State, LSU swapped out Tulane for a home-and-home with Notre Dame in 1997. After Hurricane Katrina, LSU and Tulane agreed to a 10-year home-and-home. After one trip to New Orleans, LSU forced Tulane to switch to a game in Baton Rouge in 2006 to accommodate a home-and-home with Washington. The game series was supposed to continue after 2009, but LSU demanded that all remaining games be played in Baton Rouge. Tulane refused. LSU bought out the rest of the series for $700,000 and an agreement that LSU would play Tulane again in New Orleans. So far, LSU has not agreed to schedule that game. Tulane did not voluntarily stop playing LSU. LSU stopped playing Tulane, because of money. And you don't believe the same thing will happen here? Robert MacVicar cut funding decades ago. OSU is trying to put together a new conference. OSU is going to schedule games with other large programs in the west coast region, including o, while relegated to a mid-major level. o is currently putting on a kind face about continuing the rivalry. How much longer will o agree to play games at Reser Stadium? The same thing will happen. And why should they? Ohio State doesn't play games at the University of Cincinnati, so why would o want to play here?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2024 10:14:46 GMT -8
Tulane was a charter member of the SEC. In 1951, Tulane cut scholarships, reduced funding to football, and required football players to focus on a major besides Physical Education. In 1965, Tulane was losing a half million dollars per year on the football team. It voted to leave the SEC to try and create a Southern Ivy Conference with teams like Duke, Rice, and SMU. However, those three ultimately remained in their conferences and let Tulane wither on the vine. Tulane played Florida for the next four years home-and-home. After 13 years off, Tulane then had a home and home with Florida in 1982 and 1984. Tulane actually had a 10-year rivalry with Florida State that started in 1983 that only ended after Florida State traded out the annual Tulane game for a home-and-home with Notre Dame. Tulane played Vandy every year for the next 22 years and 23 of the next 24 years before that rivalry ended. Tulane played LSU every year for the next 29 years and 30 of the next 31 years. Much like Florida State, LSU swapped out Tulane for a home-and-home with Notre Dame in 1997. After Hurricane Katrina, LSU and Tulane agreed to a 10-year home-and-home. After one trip to New Orleans, LSU forced Tulane to switch to a game in Baton Rouge in 2006 to accommodate a home-and-home with Washington. The game series was supposed to continue after 2009, but LSU demanded that all remaining games be played in Baton Rouge. Tulane refused. LSU bought out the rest of the series for $700,000 and an agreement that LSU would play Tulane again in New Orleans. So far, LSU has not agreed to schedule that game. Tulane did not voluntarily stop playing LSU. LSU stopped playing Tulane, because of money. And you don't believe the same thing will happen here? Robert MacVicar cut funding decades ago. OSU is trying to put together a new conference. OSU is going to schedule games with other large programs in the west coast region, including o, while relegated to a mid-major level. o is currently putting on a kind face about continuing the rivalry. How much longer will o agree to play games at Reser Stadium? The same thing will happen. And why should they? Ohio State doesn't play games at the University of Cincinnati, so why would o want to play here? Ohio State played at Cincinnati in 2002. There was a home-and-home scheduled for 2012 and 2014. Cincinnati, though, needed money for a new practice facility. And so they traded their home game to Ohio State for $800,000-$900,000, plus a basketball game in Cincinnati. (All told, the trade was supposed to be worth about $1.3 million to Cincinnati, but I do not know how that was calculated.) The 2012 game was rescheduled to 2019, so that Ohio State could play Central Florida. But Cincinnati received most of the payment up front in 2007, so they were able to get their practice facility built in 2010. I have noted and will note again that scheduling the Civil War after 2025 seems iffy at best right now. Oregon is currently booked solid from 2026-2028, so you may see a three-year hiatus regardless. If Oregon stops negotiating in good faith, Oregon State should, as well. Until then, though, you keep playing Oregon for the obvious traditional and monetary reasons. You cannot assume that one team will be terrible just because. Outside of World War II and COVID-19, Cincinnati and Miami of Ohio play every year. And the games have been (generally) home-and-home since 1970. Miami of Ohio even won last year, 31-24 in overtime. And Cincinnati and Miami of Ohio have not been in the same conference since 1952. If those two crazy kids can make it work, I see no reason why the Civil War cannot endure.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 2, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -8
There's a lot of anger, understandably so, for what Oregon "did to us."
However, had the situation been reversed and OSU had a chance to take a huge chunk of money that also meant Oregon got significantly less money, not one person here would say "gee guys, we shouldn't do this to our sister school."
This "woe is me, look what they did to us" stuff is exactly why we should play them. We sever ties now, we may never get them back. What typically happens when you "take your ball and go home" is that you end up sitting at home watching the other kids play out your window getting all pissed off that nobody is coming over to apologize and ask you to please come back. They just get another ball and pretty soon you're forgotten.
Nothing generates interest like a local rivalry. You want to attract new fans? That's how you do it. The guy that lives down the street that doesn't really care about college football isn't going to be like "Houston is coming to town you say? Kansas State? I should go!" But if it's Oregon, every house has an orange or green flag out, people are ribbing each other good naturedly at the grocery store, etc. etc., he just might buy a ticket to see what all the fuss is about.
Don't even look at football, look at women's soccer. Our women's soccer team is not great. They've lost twice as many games as they've won in the past two seasons. On a very pleasant October weekend, they played a pretty good Washington team. 654 people showed up. 5 days later, on a weeknight in the pouring rain, they played a winless Oregon team that was circling the drain. 992 people showed up. almost 50% more people showed up to watch the two last place teams in the conference play out the string. And you know what? I'll bet most of them had fun. Some maybe it was their first game ever, and they'll be going back again next year. Some girl who has maybe always dreamed about leaving the state for college now thinks she could see herself coming to OSU. That stuff matters.
If you're worried about OSU becoming Portland State, that's how it happens. You get rid of the pageantry, the rivalries, the things that make it about more than a sporting event.
Play the Ducks every year, in every sport.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2024 11:03:24 GMT -8
There's a lot of anger, understandably so, for what Oregon "did to us." However, had the situation been reversed and OSU had a chance to take a huge chunk of money that also meant Oregon got significantly less money, not one person here would say "gee guys, we shouldn't do this to our sister school." This "woe is me, look what they did to us" stuff is exactly why we should play them. We sever ties now, we may never get them back. What typically happens when you "take your ball and go home" is that you end up sitting at home watching the other kids play out your window getting all pissed off that nobody is coming over to apologize and ask you to please come back. They just get another ball and pretty soon you're forgotten. Nothing generates interest like a local rivalry. You want to attract new fans? That's how you do it. The guy that lives down the street that doesn't really care about college football isn't going to be like "Houston is coming to town you say? Kansas State? I should go!" But if it's Oregon, every house has an orange or green flag out, people are ribbing each other good naturedly at the grocery store, etc. etc., he just might buy a ticket to see what all the fuss is about. Don't even look at football, look at women's soccer. Our women's soccer team is not great. They've lost twice as many games as they've won in the past two seasons. On a very pleasant October weekend, they played a pretty good Washington team. 654 people showed up. 5 days later, on a weeknight in the pouring rain, they played a winless Oregon team that was circling the drain. 992 people showed up. almost 50% more people showed up to watch the two last place teams in the conference play out the string. And you know what? I'll bet most of them had fun. Some maybe it was their first game ever, and they'll be going back again next year. Some girl who has maybe always dreamed about leaving the state for college now thinks she could see herself coming to OSU. That stuff matters. If you're worried about OSU becoming Portland State, that's how it happens. You get rid of the pageantry, the rivalries, the things that make it about more than a sporting event. Play the Ducks every year, in every sport. Here, here. Never let emotions dictate a financial decision. It's good for us financially to continue playing Oregon in every possible sport. To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, "Green (as in money) is good."
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Post by irimi on Jul 2, 2024 11:14:00 GMT -8
So we agree.
Why are you still holding onto a dead tradition? Let it go, man.
Steer into the skid? No, man. (snip) Bad analogy. I can tell you live in Arizona. lol
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 2, 2024 11:45:39 GMT -8
There's a lot of anger, understandably so, for what Oregon "did to us." However, had the situation been reversed and OSU had a chance to take a huge chunk of money that also meant Oregon got significantly less money, not one person here would say "gee guys, we shouldn't do this to our sister school." This "woe is me, look what they did to us" stuff is exactly why we should play them. We sever ties now, we may never get them back. What typically happens when you "take your ball and go home" is that you end up sitting at home watching the other kids play out your window getting all pissed off that nobody is coming over to apologize and ask you to please come back. They just get another ball and pretty soon you're forgotten. Nothing generates interest like a local rivalry. You want to attract new fans? That's how you do it. The guy that lives down the street that doesn't really care about college football isn't going to be like "Houston is coming to town you say? Kansas State? I should go!" But if it's Oregon, every house has an orange or green flag out, people are ribbing each other good naturedly at the grocery store, etc. etc., he just might buy a ticket to see what all the fuss is about. Don't even look at football, look at women's soccer. Our women's soccer team is not great. They've lost twice as many games as they've won in the past two seasons. On a very pleasant October weekend, they played a pretty good Washington team. 654 people showed up. 5 days later, on a weeknight in the pouring rain, they played a winless Oregon team that was circling the drain. 992 people showed up. almost 50% more people showed up to watch the two last place teams in the conference play out the string. And you know what? I'll bet most of them had fun. Some maybe it was their first game ever, and they'll be going back again next year. Some girl who has maybe always dreamed about leaving the state for college now thinks she could see herself coming to OSU. That stuff matters. If you're worried about OSU becoming Portland State, that's how it happens. You get rid of the pageantry, the rivalries, the things that make it about more than a sporting event. Play the Ducks every year, in every sport. Here, here. Never let emotions dictate a financial decision. It's good for us financially to continue playing Oregon in every possible sport. To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, "Green (as in money) is good." It was “greed”, not green is good. Green sucks.
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