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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 14:36:57 GMT -8
Iowa and Iowa State stopped playing after Iowa stopped returning Iowa State's calls after 1934. The game restarted after a more than 42-year hiatus. And Iowa were still such entitled narcissists that they demanded that the first four games be played in Iowa City. And Iowa State played 'em in Iowa City four times and beat 'em twice. Because they were not a bunch of self-pitying sniveling cowards. Georgia stopped playing football during World War I, but Georgia Tech kept playing. Georgia made fun of Georgia Tech doing so in a parade in 1919, so Georgia Tech refused to play Georgia until 1925. Georgia Tech left the SEC in 1964, because they believed themselves to be better than most of the other teams and because they refused to over-sign like the other teams, mostly Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State. They are a better fit in the more education-focused ACC than the SEC. Clemson and South Carolina playing was actually written into state law in 1952. The move to mandate the game be played was one of the first shots across the bow of the old Southern Conference. Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina, and Wake left the Southern Conference to found the ACC in 1953 with previously independent Virginia. Clemson v. South Carolina was played the Thursday during the State Fair until 1959. It then began to be played on Saturdays thereafter. South Carolina left the ACC after 1970, because they felt victimized over basketball (South Carolina went undefeated in ACC play in 1969-70 but lost the Championship Game to NC State and did not play in the Tournament) and because South Carolina did not like the 800 SAT rule at the time. South Carolina thought that they would be invited by another conference right away but were not, because of weird structural issues with the South Carolina Athletic Department. After the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional, Clemson tried to get them back into the ACC but were shot down by Duke, North Carolina, and Virginia. South Carolina tried to reorganize its Athletic Department to make it more likely to be invited to a different conference but could not until after 1980. In 1975, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, and Tulane founded the Metro Conference. Georgia Tech left after three seasons to join the ACC to fill in the spot that South Carolina had vacated. Florida State and Virginia Tech joined in 1976 and 1978, respectively. Southern Miss replaced St. Louis in 1982. And South Carolina joined in 1983. South Carolina played there until receiving the SEC invite in 1991. Cincinnati, Florida State, and Memphis each left that year as well. Florida State went to the ACC. The other two started up the Great Midwest Conference with Dayton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, and UAB. A lot of old South Carolina fans are still bitter towards Clemson, because they thought that Clemson would leave with them out of the ACC in 1970 and did not work harder to get South Carolina back into the ACC after the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional. A lot of Clemson fans are still upset that South Carolina left in the first place. From 1905-1947, Florida was the men's college and Florida State was the women's college. Florida State started up its football team in 1947. Florida State played in the Dixie Conference from 1947 -1951 but left to become an independent. Florida, the ancient blue-blood program, refused to schedule Florida State until 1958 and then only agreed to play every year in Gainesville. Florida went 5-0-1 in those games. The tie was compared to being comparable to a "death in the family" by Florida's head coach. Florida State upgraded Doak in 1964 to 40,500 seats (up from 25,000 before). It was only after the 1964 upgrade that Florida agreed to a home-and-home with Florida State winning the first game at Doak. Florida State only won twice int he first 19 meetings. Bobby Bowden was the head coach finally in the 19th meeting, and he proceeded to win the next four. Bowden went 13-11-1 in his first 25 games against Florida after that first loss. (And Florida blew a 31-3 lead in the tie, the Choke at Doak.) The Cyhawk Trophy is such a big deal, because Iowa State refused to accept mediocrity and were not cowards. Play in Iowa City four times for a home-and-home thereafter? Absolutely. They were not cowed, and they were not scared. Georgia did not stop playing Georgia Tech after Georgia Tech left. And Georgia Tech was never so cowed and scared as to cancel the rivalry with Georgia. Clemson did not stop playing South Carolina after South Carolina left. And South Carolina, despite its severe economic plight until 1983, did not feel so cowed and scared of Clemson that it stopped playing. And Clemson at a huge economic disadvantage since 1992 has not felt so cowed and scared to cancel the series. Florida freaking State, the women's college, played in Gainesville six straight times to start up a series and went 2-15-1 before hiring Bowden. They kept after it. They were not cowed and scared enough to cancel the series. And all of the teams have been handsomely rewarded for keeping after it, and not scheduling scared. And not being swept up in petulant, thoughtless emotion. Ultimately it is not cowardice. It's pettiness. I'm feeling a little petty about how Oregon did us. That emotion leads you to wanting some kind of revenge, but there is a feeling that some kind of revenge that approaches what Oregon did to us is simply out of reach. That pretty much leaves you with "well... I'LL TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME THEN" - the ball in this case being taking away from Oregon the prestige of having a legendary rivalry in their historical profile. It DOES diminish Oregon's history to take our ball and go home. The problem is, as you have correctly stated with your "WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR"-esque harangue of the cowards, is that it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. We still need those assholes too. It might diminish Oregon's history to take our ball and go home. I would posit that it is not our ball, and our house may or may not be on fire. Logically and rationally, it would be a freaking nightmare to replace a home-and-home with Oregon on the schedule. If there were a comparable home-and-home to replace Oregon, I would probably be all for it. But there's not. And taking road body bag games every single year as some have posited (but not you, OA) is not a viable replacement for Oregon. Plus, you still have to have a team that wants to play Oregon State over a regional laughingstock. If the game is going to sell out either way, why not schedule Central Michigan or UAB. Why go toe-to-toe with Oregon State? Unless the Beavs agree to a discount. And why is the solution to replace Oregon to become a worse Central Michigan? On what planet is that logical? To go back to your Oregon's diminished history statement, when the Sun consumes the Earth approximately 7.59 billion years hence, the metallicity of the Sun will increase by 0.01%. That is about the effect of an Oregon schedule without Oregon State. It might sting the Ducks for a bit. But it will not hurt Oregon nearly as much as it will destroy Oregon State. And everyone can like or dislike that all that they want, but it will not change the reality of Oregon State's current bad, teetering on stupidly worse, situation.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 1, 2024 14:38:23 GMT -8
Not necessarily different, but the gap continues to widen to the point where the question becomes "what's the point?" So the follow up question is, do we continue on as a tune up game the hole, so we can make some money? The decision is out of my control, but as far as I'm concerned, the civil war is dead. Lol. A half-share of Big Ten money. Lol! Oh no, the world is ending! Lol! The half share means nothing. They have a seat at the big boy table. Their recruiting is now right up there with the top programs. They have a good coach too. It makes me sick, buts its reality. I think we should move on from the civil war. Why not? Tradition means nothing in todays college football landscape anyway. We should not feel like we have to play them for a hand out
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 14:45:24 GMT -8
Lol. A half-share of Big Ten money. Lol! Oh no, the world is ending! Lol! The half share means nothing. They have a seat at the big boy table. Their recruiting is now right up there with the top programs. They have a good coach too. It makes me sick, buts its reality. I think we should move on from the civil war. Why not? Tradition means nothing in todays college football landscapeIt is not economically viable? The game is on internationally on Fox. A giant bag of money and international publicity to Corvallis, Oregon! Oregon State needs a home sellout against Oregon. And replacing it with any other game is not economically viable. Plus, tradition! You get to maintain the Civil War, which is not nothing, and it will never be nothing, not for all of the money in the World. Keeping the Civil War going is a win-win-win-win-win. I cannot rationally fathom trying to stop the series. It makes zero sense. Oregon might have a seat at the big boy table, but it is only a half seat, which is hilarious. Being scared of Oregon now is wholly illogical. There is no rational reason to not schedule Oregon to a home-and-home. I would work to get it back to the Fall instead of the end of Summer. But keep it going at least until it stops being profitable.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 1, 2024 14:52:35 GMT -8
Ultimately it is not cowardice. It's pettiness. I'm feeling a little petty about how Oregon did us. That emotion leads you to wanting some kind of revenge, but there is a feeling that some kind of revenge that approaches what Oregon did to us is simply out of reach. That pretty much leaves you with "well... I'LL TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME THEN" - the ball in this case being taking away from Oregon the prestige of having a legendary rivalry in their historical profile. It DOES diminish Oregon's history to take our ball and go home. The problem is, as you have correctly stated with your "WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR"-esque harangue of the cowards, is that it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. We still need those assholes too. It might diminish Oregon's history to take our ball and go home. I would posit that it is not our ball, and our house may or may not be on fire. Logically and rationally, it would be a freaking nightmare to replace a home-and-home with Oregon on the schedule. If there were a comparable home-and-home to replace Oregon, I would probably be all for it. But there's not. And taking road body bag games every single year as some have posited (but not you, OA) is not a viable replacement for Oregon. Plus, you still have to have a team that wants to play Oregon State over a regional laughingstock. If the game is going to sell out either way, why not schedule Central Michigan or UAB. Why go toe-to-toe with Oregon State? Unless the Beavs agree to a discount. And why is the solution to replace Oregon to become a worse Central Michigan? On what planet is that logical? To go back to your Oregon's diminished history statement, when the Sun consumes the Earth approximately 7.59 billion years hence, the metallicity of the Sun will increase by 0.01%. That is about the effect of an Oregon schedule without Oregon State. It might sting the Ducks for a bit. But it will not hurt Oregon nearly as much as it will destroy Oregon State. And everyone can like or dislike that all that they want, but it will not change the reality of Oregon State's current bad, teetering on stupidly worse, situation. All logically sound points. But we aren't talking about logic here for most of these folks who don't want to play Oregon ever again. It was certainly my gut reaction, if you go back and read posts from when it first happened. Revenge is not trendy these days, we are encouraged to let justice take its' course, turn the other cheek, don't be a hater, etc. But the thirst for it is simply too powerful to ignore for a time for most folks. I've come around now, most others will too. But this one was a deep wound with a ton of salt poured in. It's gonna be a while for some.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 1, 2024 15:00:56 GMT -8
The half share means nothing. They have a seat at the big boy table. Their recruiting is now right up there with the top programs. They have a good coach too. It makes me sick, buts its reality. I think we should move on from the civil war. Why not? Tradition means nothing in todays college football landscapeIt is not economically viable? The game is on internationally on Fox. A giant bag of money and international publicity to Corvallis, Oregon! Oregon State needs a home sellout against Oregon. And replacing it with any other game is not economically viable. Plus, tradition! You get to maintain the Civil War, which is not nothing, and it will never be nothing, not for all of the money in the World. Keeping the Civil War going is a win-win-win-win-win. I cannot rationally fathom trying to stop the series. It makes zero sense. Oregon might have a seat at the big boy table, but it is only a half seat, which is hilarious. Being scared of Oregon now is wholly illogical. There is no rational reason to not schedule Oregon to a home-and-home. I would work to get it back to the Fall instead of the end of Summer. But keep it going at least until it stops being profitable. I don't think it matters. The whores are going to get over their guilt, hope that people forget how they f'd us over, and then play hard ball with us in 2 years. It will be 2 for 1's or 3 for 1's and not every year. OSU will probably tell them to pound sand and it will end. With only a weird change of circumstance to bring it back.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 1, 2024 15:07:18 GMT -8
The half share means nothing. They have a seat at the big boy table. Their recruiting is now right up there with the top programs. They have a good coach too. It makes me sick, buts its reality. I think we should move on from the civil war. Why not? Tradition means nothing in todays college football landscapeIt is not economically viable? The game is on internationally on Fox. A giant bag of money and international publicity to Corvallis, Oregon! Oregon State needs a home sellout against Oregon. And replacing it with any other game is not economically viable. Plus, tradition! You get to maintain the Civil War, which is not nothing, and it will never be nothing, not for all of the money in the World. Keeping the Civil War going is a win-win-win-win-win. I cannot rationally fathom trying to stop the series. It makes zero sense. Oregon might have a seat at the big boy table, but it is only a half seat, which is hilarious. Being scared of Oregon now is wholly illogical. There is no rational reason to not schedule Oregon to a home-and-home. I would work to get it back to the Fall instead of the end of Summer. But keep it going at least until it stops being profitable. Scared? Their program's trajectory continues to go up, while ours??? So bend over and and get cornholed without lube by the quacks for a bag o money? Yay! Look, if we can be competitive against them, I'm all for it. I just don't see it. Some of y'all want to say it's same as it's been.....it can get worse! And the gap is widening, whether you want to believe it, or not. Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship. I mean they'll probably F it up and the local goodwills will pile up with quack gear.....but they are in that conversation. So bring on the beating, and bag o 💰!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 15:20:54 GMT -8
It is not economically viable? The game is on internationally on Fox. A giant bag of money and international publicity to Corvallis, Oregon! Oregon State needs a home sellout against Oregon. And replacing it with any other game is not economically viable. Plus, tradition! You get to maintain the Civil War, which is not nothing, and it will never be nothing, not for all of the money in the World. Keeping the Civil War going is a win-win-win-win-win. I cannot rationally fathom trying to stop the series. It makes zero sense. Oregon might have a seat at the big boy table, but it is only a half seat, which is hilarious. Being scared of Oregon now is wholly illogical. There is no rational reason to not schedule Oregon to a home-and-home. I would work to get it back to the Fall instead of the end of Summer. But keep it going at least until it stops being profitable. Scared? Their program's trajectory continues to go up, while ours??? So bend over and and get cornholed without lube by the quacks for a bag o money? Yay! Look, if we can be competitive against them, I'm all for it. I just don't see it. Some of y'all want to say it's same as it's been.....it can get worse! And the gap is widening, whether you want to believe it, or not. Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship. I mean they'll probably F it up and the local goodwills will pile up with quack gear.....but they are in that conversation. So bring on the beating, and bag o 💰! "Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship." And you want to trust others to knock Oregon down a peg? Let's go out there and beat Oregon. You want the Ducks to not win a National Championship? Beat 'em at Reser. Let's be our own revenge. Beat Oregon. The Ducks have not won at Reser since 2018. Let's keep that up. Oregon does not win the Civil War in 2024. Oregon does not win a National Championship ever. It is in our hands. Why put it in somebody else's? And we get paid to be able to knock Oregon down a peg? And the solution is to accept less money to not have a chance to knock of Oregon and trust that some kind of directional school will come in to Autzen and beat the Ducks? I just cannot understand what you are saying in a way that makes sense in my head.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 15:21:56 GMT -8
It is not economically viable? The game is on internationally on Fox. A giant bag of money and international publicity to Corvallis, Oregon! Oregon State needs a home sellout against Oregon. And replacing it with any other game is not economically viable. Plus, tradition! You get to maintain the Civil War, which is not nothing, and it will never be nothing, not for all of the money in the World. Keeping the Civil War going is a win-win-win-win-win. I cannot rationally fathom trying to stop the series. It makes zero sense. Oregon might have a seat at the big boy table, but it is only a half seat, which is hilarious. Being scared of Oregon now is wholly illogical. There is no rational reason to not schedule Oregon to a home-and-home. I would work to get it back to the Fall instead of the end of Summer. But keep it going at least until it stops being profitable. I don't think it matters. The whores are going to get over their guilt, hope that people forget how they f'd us over, and then play hard ball with us in 2 years. It will be 2 for 1's or 3 for 1's and not every year. OSU will probably tell them to pound sand and it will end. With only a weird change of circumstance to bring it back. I can see Oregon trying to get greedy. That is always a possibility. But as long as they are working with us to schedule the Civil War in good faith, I believe that we should keep it up.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 1, 2024 17:04:33 GMT -8
Scared? Their program's trajectory continues to go up, while ours??? So bend over and and get cornholed without lube by the quacks for a bag o money? Yay! Look, if we can be competitive against them, I'm all for it. I just don't see it. Some of y'all want to say it's same as it's been.....it can get worse! And the gap is widening, whether you want to believe it, or not. Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship. I mean they'll probably F it up and the local goodwills will pile up with quack gear.....but they are in that conversation. So bring on the beating, and bag o 💰! "Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship." And you want to trust others to knock Oregon down a peg? Let's go out there and beat Oregon. You want the Ducks to not win a National Championship? Beat 'em at Reser. Let's be our own revenge. Beat Oregon. The Ducks have not won at Reser since 2018. Let's keep that up. Oregon does not win the Civil War in 2024. Oregon does not win a National Championship ever. It is in our hands. Why put it in somebody else's? And we get paid to be able to knock Oregon down a peg? And the solution is to accept less money to not have a chance to knock of Oregon and trust that some kind of directional school will come in to Autzen and beat the Ducks? I just cannot understand what you are saying in a way that makes sense in my head. I guess we'll see how competitive the next couple are.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 17:05:48 GMT -8
Not necessarily disagreeing. But Iowa and Iowa State have a great rivalry. It is not a meaningless game in Iowa. Yes, I know they are both P4. But they are in different leagues and can't stop either one from winning their division. Same with Georgia and Georgia Tech, Clemson and South Carolina, Florida and Florida State. Playing Oregon sells a lot of tickets. And it is guaranteed to be on FOX or ESPN. I will have no problem continuing to dislike them even though we are not in the same league. Never factor emotion into a financial decision. OMMV, of course. I think a rivalry that I would mention to better illustrate the point is the Rocky Mountain Showdown, the Colorado-Colorado St. rivalry. P5 (now P4) vs. G5, not played every year, but nevertheless huge in the state of Colorado. So big that is often played at a neutral site in an NFL stadium. It is an excellent rivalry. There are some differences in that Colorado has been a moribund program during the past 20 years, even after they hired the greatest coach of all time in any sport on earth or any other planet in the known universe, Deion. UO has not had that problem and OSU will have to play a program that has the ability to go as far as any coach they can hire can take them. They have had and continue to have a massive advantage over OSU, an advantage that is likely to grow if OSU doesn't find a landing spot in the P4. I'm not sure if OSU should continue the Civil War. Bit there is precedent to do so. The Rocky Mountain Showdown is between Colorado and Colorado State. The first game was in Fort Collins on February 10, 1893. Colorado won 70-6. Colorado A&M wrote of the game, "We will say as Peter the Great said of the Swedes: 'They will have the advantage of us for a time, but in the end they will teach us to conquer them.'" Colorado beat Colorado A&M in 1893 and 1894 44-6 and 67-0, respectively. Colorado's 67-0 win in 1894 was so bad that Colorado A&M disbanded its team after the game by order of its President, Alston Ellis. Colorado A&M restarted its football program in 1899. Colorado, now being coached by Fred Folsom, won 63-0 in Fort Collins. The games were usually home-and-home from that point on, except for two times that there were consecutive games in Boulder. In 1901, Colorado A&M used an ineligible player in Fort Collins. Folsom protested and refused to proceed. Despite the fact that he was correct, the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of Colorado determined that Folsom's actions were basically an overreaction and awarded the game to Colorado A&M 1-0 on forfeit. In 1905, Colorado played no teams in the State of Colorado, opting to only play teams outside of Colorado. In 1906, the two teams tied 0-0, the first time that Colorado had not defeated Colorado A&M. Colorado and Colorado A&M were charter members of the Rocky Mountain Conference in 1910. Colorado A&M finally won in 1912, 21-0 in Fort Collins. From 1912-1933, Colorado went 11-10-1. Between the 1937 and 1938 regular seasons, BYU, Colorado, Colorado A&M, Denver, Utah, Utah State, and Wyoming left the Rocky Mountain Conference to start the Mountain States Athletic Conference. Colorado A&M suspended its football team in 1943 and 1944, during World War II. At the end of 1947, Colorado left the Rocky Mountain the Big 7. The remaining six teams became the Skyline Six. Despite the Buffs leaving, Colorado continued to play both Colorado A&M (Colorado State after 1956) and Utah every year until 1958. Colorado A&M won the two games in Boulder again in 1948 and 1949. There were more games in Boulder than in Fort Collins thereafter but a smattering in Fort Collins. After it was announced that the games would not continue after 1958, Colorado State won what was billed as the final game between the two in 1958, 15-14. At that point, Colorado seemed to drop both in favor of continuing rivalries with Air Force (played 16 of 17 times between 1958 and 1974) and Arizona (played 10 of 11 times between 1950 and 1960). After the Arizona-Colorado series stopped, it was replaced with a revived Colorado-Utah series. But that ended after 1962, as well. Interestingly, two new two-game series started in 1963, a two-game series against Oregon State and a two-game series against USC. After no games for 25 years, the Colorado State Legislature started to move forward with legislation to schedule Colorado and Colorado State games without either universities' permission. Instead, the two teams agreed to restart the series in Boulder in 1983. There were two additional games schedule in Boulder in 1985 and 1986, followed by two games in Fort Collins in 1987 and 1988. There was a final game in Boulder in 1989. After two years' off, there was a game scheduled in 1989 in Boulder. Two more years off and a game in 1992. Two more years off. Then, there was a two-for-one, two in Boulder and one in Fort Collins. In 1998, the game moved to Denver, being played there every year for six years. It then wen to Boulder for two years. Denver for three. Boulder in 2009. It was then in Denver from 2010 to 2019. The 2020 game was scheduled to be in Fort Collins. But it was not played because of COVID-19. There was no game from 2020-2022. But the series was restarted as a home-and-home in 2023 and 2024, 2024 in Fort Collins. The two teams are scheduled to miss every year from 2025 to 2028 with the series restarting as a home-and-home in 2029 and 2030. After a year off, the pair are scheduled four times over the subsequent eight years, but there is room to schedule additional games in there. I should note that Oregon currently has no openings for any additional opponents until 2029. It is entirely possible that the 2024 Civil War at Reser will be the last at Reser for at least five years. Having said that, Oregon plays Mountain West teams in 2026, 2027, and 2028, so there may be some kind of deal that can be worked out in those years. We'll see.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2024 17:09:32 GMT -8
"Hole has legit aspirations on a national championship." And you want to trust others to knock Oregon down a peg? Let's go out there and beat Oregon. You want the Ducks to not win a National Championship? Beat 'em at Reser. Let's be our own revenge. Beat Oregon. The Ducks have not won at Reser since 2018. Let's keep that up. Oregon does not win the Civil War in 2024. Oregon does not win a National Championship ever. It is in our hands. Why put it in somebody else's? And we get paid to be able to knock Oregon down a peg? And the solution is to accept less money to not have a chance to knock of Oregon and trust that some kind of directional school will come in to Autzen and beat the Ducks? I just cannot understand what you are saying in a way that makes sense in my head. I guess we'll see how competitive the next couple are. Oregon already has Mountain West, Big 12, and FCS teams scheduled from 2026-2028. The game at Reser may be the last one for at least five years, unless a clever deal is worked out before 2026. Civil War. Fourth most-played rivalry game in college football. It would be disgusting for the Big Game between Cal and Stanford to pass the Civil War. Something is very wrong with that. And the Old Oaken Bucket between Indiana and Purdue behind that game. Yuck! Army-Navy behind that. Gross! I hope that things work out well moving forward. Too much history for the Civil War to not continue absent something very compelling.
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Post by irimi on Jul 1, 2024 18:08:18 GMT -8
You’re right, of course. seastape , too. But I doubt that any of those rivalries had to go through the betrayal and desertion that we have been subjected to. It may be that the rivalry develops into something like you mentioned, but as far as I am concerned, it is dead. Now, my rivalry hate for the has grown to disinterest and disgust. I don’t care anymore. In fact, college football has come dangerously close to being ignored completely. Iowa and Iowa State stopped playing after Iowa stopped returning Iowa State's calls after 1934. The game restarted after a more than 42-year hiatus. And Iowa were still such entitled narcissists that they demanded that the first four games be played in Iowa City. And Iowa State played 'em in Iowa City four times and beat 'em twice. Because they were not a bunch of self-pitying sniveling cowards. Georgia stopped playing football during World War I, but Georgia Tech kept playing. Georgia made fun of Georgia Tech doing so in a parade in 1919, so Georgia Tech refused to play Georgia until 1925. Georgia Tech left the SEC in 1964, because they believed themselves to be better than most of the other teams and because they refused to over-sign like the other teams, mostly Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State. They are a better fit in the more education-focused ACC than the SEC. Clemson and South Carolina playing was actually written into state law in 1952. The move to mandate the game be played was one of the first shots across the bow of the old Southern Conference. Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina, and Wake left the Southern Conference to found the ACC in 1953 with previously independent Virginia. Clemson v. South Carolina was played the Thursday during the State Fair until 1959. It then began to be played on Saturdays thereafter. South Carolina left the ACC after 1970, because they felt victimized over basketball (South Carolina went undefeated in ACC play in 1969-70 but lost the Championship Game to NC State and did not play in the Tournament) and because South Carolina did not like the 800 SAT rule at the time. South Carolina thought that they would be invited by another conference right away but were not, because of weird structural issues with the South Carolina Athletic Department. After the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional, Clemson tried to get them back into the ACC but were shot down by Duke, North Carolina, and Virginia. South Carolina tried to reorganize its Athletic Department to make it more likely to be invited to a different conference but could not until after 1980. In 1975, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, and Tulane founded the Metro Conference. Georgia Tech left after three seasons to join the ACC to fill in the spot that South Carolina had vacated. Florida State and Virginia Tech joined in 1976 and 1978, respectively. Southern Miss replaced St. Louis in 1982. And South Carolina joined in 1983. South Carolina played there until receiving the SEC invite in 1991. Cincinnati, Florida State, and Memphis each left that year as well. Florida State went to the ACC. The other two started up the Great Midwest Conference with Dayton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, and UAB. A lot of old South Carolina fans are still bitter towards Clemson, because they thought that Clemson would leave with them out of the ACC in 1970 and did not work harder to get South Carolina back into the ACC after the 800 Rule was ruled to be unconstitutional. A lot of Clemson fans are still upset that South Carolina left in the first place. From 1905-1947, Florida was the men's college and Florida State was the women's college. Florida State started up its football team in 1947. Florida State played in the Dixie Conference from 1947 -1951 but left to become an independent. Florida, the ancient blue-blood program, refused to schedule Florida State until 1958 and then only agreed to play every year in Gainesville. Florida went 5-0-1 in those games. The tie was compared to being comparable to a "death in the family" by Florida's head coach. Florida State upgraded Doak in 1964 to 40,500 seats (up from 25,000 before). It was only after the 1964 upgrade that Florida agreed to a home-and-home with Florida State winning the first game at Doak. Florida State only won twice int he first 19 meetings. Bobby Bowden was the head coach finally in the 19th meeting, and he proceeded to win the next four. Bowden went 13-11-1 in his first 25 games against Florida after that first loss. (And Florida blew a 31-3 lead in the tie, the Choke at Doak.) The Cyhawk Trophy is such a big deal, because Iowa State refused to accept mediocrity and were not cowards. Play in Iowa City four times for a home-and-home thereafter? Absolutely. They were not cowed, and they were not scared. Georgia did not stop playing Georgia Tech after Georgia Tech left. And Georgia Tech was never so cowed and scared as to cancel the rivalry with Georgia. Clemson did not stop playing South Carolina after South Carolina left. And South Carolina, despite its severe economic plight until 1983, did not feel so cowed and scared of Clemson that it stopped playing. And Clemson at a huge economic disadvantage since 1992 has not felt so cowed and scared to cancel the series. Florida freaking State, the women's college, played in Gainesville six straight times to start up a series and went 2-15-1 before hiring Bowden. They kept after it. They were not cowed and scared enough to cancel the series. And all of the teams have been handsomely rewarded for keeping after it, and not scheduling scared. And not being swept up in petulant, thoughtless emotion. Scared? I'm not scared. I'm saying that what we called The Civil War or The Rivalry Game meant something special but it's now meaningless and it debases the memory of that great rivalry to try to keep it alive today. You simply think that it may profit us to continue the series in this uncertain time. I respect that opinion and won't call you a money-grubbing whore who sells his values on the street corner. lol Actually, the decision isn't mine to make, or yours, so we just show our approval or dissatisfaction like fans do. I won't tune in, but you will. And all of that is fine.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jul 1, 2024 18:26:26 GMT -8
I don't think it matters. The whores are going to get over their guilt, hope that people forget how they f'd us over, and then play hard ball with us in 2 years. It will be 2 for 1's or 3 for 1's and not every year. OSU will probably tell them to pound sand and it will end. With only a weird change of circumstance to bring it back. I can see Oregon trying to get greedy. That is always a possibility. But as long as they are working with us to schedule the Civil War in good faith, I believe that we should keep it up. U of O and working in good faith should never be in the same sentence........just saying
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 1, 2024 20:11:22 GMT -8
For the fans, I think we should maintain the game. It's nice to have a game many Oregonians can travel to easily. However, if we end up in the ACC or Big12 in a few years playing 9 conference games, I doubt either program would want a 10th "power" conference team on the schedule every season. But then again, having a game the teams can bus to in less than an hour has a lot of value if the week before we played in Morgantown, WV and the week after we play in Orange County, FL. I understand people are angry and hurt, I just think dropping it in 2 years would be a cutting off your nose to spite your own face decision. I don't really care about the financial impact, it's 1 game, but I think we'd lose something worth looking forward to. We've had long losing streaks to them in basically every decade since the 70s, so it can't just be about the fear of losing. We're 13-37 the last 50 years. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6366834/thumbnailer/UlRamRbWWqpITDCNtIcX.png) ![](//storage.proboards.com/6366834/thumbnailer/UlRamRbWWqpITDCNtIcX.png)
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 1, 2024 20:50:37 GMT -8
If it is going to be a body bag game, I'd prefer that it was against U of Oklahoma instead. Rather take a national tv thumping to anyone else.I personally can't stand the thought of those entitled little bitches strutting around Reser with their chests puffed out like they are the reason the scum suckers won. I plan on remaining at the tailgate this year and leaving my seats empty. Would never sell them on stub hub out of fear they would be permanently soiled by some grellow wearing crap sacks. Makes me sick just thinking about it. Go Beavs!! We were 0-12-1 from 1975-1987. I know it was a conference game, but if we could have gotten out of it do you think that would have been the prevailing sentiment? Of course not. The "body bag" argument doesn't hold a lot of water. Again, this is spite talking.
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