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Post by rgeorge on Jun 24, 2024 14:47:57 GMT -8
You keep thinking OSU is all about the AD and being a P4 conference. Hint... it's not and never will be no matter much you keep spouting "possibilities". When was the last time OSU was in a G5 conference? And, yeah, the AD is pretty darn important as far as making decisions for the athletic department. In speaking to the university, AD is the Athletic Dept. And, what's the difference on "when"? It's a now thing. Get use to it, it's happening.
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Post by grayman on Jun 24, 2024 14:51:15 GMT -8
Meaning he's just waiting to see what happens with the ACC. Sad part is the BIG 12 will look east first if the ACC get raided by the BIG and SEC. Just more people and money there. I only see the ACC as a long shot option and that will be crap.....maybe catch a plane with CAL to the east to save some cash I think if the Pac-12 is indeed going to be rebuilt, it has to be done with Cal and Stanford. You then have a foundation of those four schools and possibly SMU. I think the best case in going that direction is that the ACC has held together somewhat and is willing to look west to form a coast to coast conference, possibly allowing the Pac-12 to survive in name to an extent (Pacific-Atlantic Conference or whatever). I believe a weakened but still alive ACC might be very interested in helping to put something like that together and maybe wind up with eight schools on each coast with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU and three others (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV?) so you keep regionality. Something like that. And while the media deal would not be amazing, IMO it would be firmly in fourth behind the Big 12 and most likely significantly more than any G5 conference has.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 24, 2024 14:53:18 GMT -8
Oregon State was an "independent" from 1959-1964. Having said that, the Rose Bowl contract did not run out until after the 1960 Rose Bowl, so the Pacific Coast Conference basically was still together for the 1959 football season. And the Pacific Coast Conference North held together throughout the entirety of the 1959-1964. And there was not a united Pac-8 in baseball until 1967.
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Washington basically killed the Pacific Coast Conference by a majority vote.
Oregon State worked its way back into the AAWU/Pac-8/Pac-10/Pac-12 after 1959. A large part of that was Terry Baker. The Gotham Bowl invite in 1960. The 1962 Elite Eight run. The 1962 Heisman. The 1962 Liberty Bowl. And the 1963 Final Four.
It did not hurt that Oregon State won the Pacific Coast Conference North in 1962 and 1963 and played in the District 8 Tournament, finishing second both times.
And the ultimate clincher was basically a third straight NCAA Basketball Tournament invite in 1964.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 24, 2024 14:53:31 GMT -8
You keep thinking OSU is all about the AD and being a P4 conference. Hint... it's not and never will be no matter much you keep spouting "possibilities". When was the last time OSU was in a G5 conference? And, yeah, the AD is pretty darn important as far as making decisions for the athletic department. When was the last time Oregon was in the Big Ten? Never. But they are now. So the fact we've never been in a G5 conference before is irrelevant. Because we are now. The AD will have input on decisions regarding our athletic future, as he should. But in the end the AD will do that the President and Board of Trustees tell him to do. Which is as it should be. With that, I'll take my leave of this thread. My feelings are pretty obvious and I'm sure there are those who are getting tired of what a CP like the Scrimmer has to say.
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Post by grayman on Jun 24, 2024 14:54:50 GMT -8
When was the last time OSU was in a G5 conference? And, yeah, the AD is pretty darn important as far as making decisions for the athletic department. In speaking to the university, AD is the Athletic Dept. And, what's the difference on "when"? It's a now thing. Get use to it, it's happening. OSU is in the Pac-12, which is not a G5 conference nor a power conference. It has scheduling agreements so the teams can play full schedules.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 24, 2024 15:00:43 GMT -8
Sad part is the BIG 12 will look east first if the ACC get raided by the BIG and SEC. Just more people and money there. I only see the ACC as a long shot option and that will be crap.....maybe catch a plane with CAL to the east to save some cash I think if the Pac-12 is indeed going to be rebuilt, it has to be done with Cal and Stanford. You then have a foundation of those four schools and possibly SMU. I think the best case in going that direction is that the ACC has held together somewhat and is willing to look west to form a coast to coast conference, possibly allowing the Pac-12 to survive in name to an extent (Pacific-Atlantic Conference or whatever). I believe a weakened but still alive ACC might be very interested in helping to put something like that together and maybe wind up with eight schools on each coast with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU and three others (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV?) so you keep regionality. Something like that. And while the media deal would not be amazing, IMO it would be firmly in fourth behind the Big 12 and most likely significantly more than any G5 conference has. If the ACC dominoes start falling, it is hard to know when they stop, though. I think that you can find stories indicating that, if Clemson and Florida State leave, every school will wind up somewhere else besides maybe Boston College and Wake. That is all to say that there are scenarios where the ACC straight up disappears off the face of the map. What is your scenario, where seven ACC teams disappear?
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 24, 2024 15:02:22 GMT -8
In speaking to the university, AD is the Athletic Dept. And, what's the difference on "when"? It's a now thing. Get use to it, it's happening. OSU is in the Pac-12, which is not a G5 conference nor a power conference. It has scheduling agreements so the teams can play full schedules. You don't read the news? The Pac12 is not a P4, hence it's affiliations and scheduling make it G5 for every aspect of NCAA play, P4 rules/$, and voting.
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Post by grayman on Jun 24, 2024 15:20:08 GMT -8
OSU is in the Pac-12, which is not a G5 conference nor a power conference. It has scheduling agreements so the teams can play full schedules. You don't read the news? The Pac12 is not a P4, hence it's affiliations and scheduling make it G5 for every aspect of NCAA play, P4 rules/$, and voting. The Pac-12 does not have autonomous status because it's no longer really a conference. It has to add a minimum of six schools to return to conference status. Then it would either regain autonomous status or not. Mike Riley is on the CFP committee and OSU and WSU still have representation and voting rights on the DI council and the football oversight committee. BTW, the gymnastics program and I think the wrestling programs are in talks with the Big 12 to join it. Last I checked the Big 12 isn't a G5 conference. OSU and WSU only went ahead with the scheduling agreements with the MWC and WCC because those conferences are on the West Coast and it's much more difficult to schedule as an independent.
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 24, 2024 16:33:21 GMT -8
You don't read the news? The Pac12 is not a P4, hence it's affiliations and scheduling make it G5 for every aspect of NCAA play, P4 rules/$, and voting. The Pac-12 does not have autonomous status because it's no longer really a conference. It has to add a minimum of six schools to return to conference status. Then it would either regain autonomous status or not. Mike Riley is on the CFP committee and OSU and WSU still have representation and voting rights on the DI council and the football oversight committee. BTW, the gymnastics program and I think the wrestling programs are in talks with the Big 12 to join it. Last I checked the Big 12 isn't a G5 conference. OSU and WSU only went ahead with the scheduling agreements with the MWC and WCC because those conferences are on the West Coast and it's much more difficult to schedule as an independent. "Only"... because those were the only options! FFS fugure it out. What is the only avenue for OSU to access the CFP? Yep G5. Henry... should have followed your lead on these topics.
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 24, 2024 16:35:32 GMT -8
You don't read the news? The Pac12 is not a P4, hence it's affiliations and scheduling make it G5 for every aspect of NCAA play, P4 rules/$, and voting. The Pac-12 does not have autonomous status because it's no longer really a conference. It has to add a minimum of six schools to return to conference status. Then it would either regain autonomous status or not. Mike Riley is on the CFP committee and OSU and WSU still have representation and voting rights on the DI council and the football oversight committee. BTW, the gymnastics program and I think the wrestling programs are in talks with the Big 12 to join it. Last I checked the Big 12 isn't a G5 conference. OSU and WSU only went ahead with the scheduling agreements with the MWC and WCC because those conferences are on the West Coast and it's much more difficult to schedule as an independent. "Only"... because those were the only options! FFS figure it out. What is the only avenue for OSU to access the CFP? Yep G5. Adding 6 teams guarantees zip. Mike Riley's vote means little. Having "some" teams as affiliates is not OSU as a P4 team. Henry... should have followed your lead on these topics.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 24, 2024 16:37:23 GMT -8
Sad part is the BIG 12 will look east first if the ACC get raided by the BIG and SEC. Just more people and money there. I only see the ACC as a long shot option and that will be crap.....maybe catch a plane with CAL to the east to save some cash I think if the Pac-12 is indeed going to be rebuilt, it has to be done with Cal and Stanford. You then have a foundation of those four schools and possibly SMU. I think the best case in going that direction is that the ACC has held together somewhat and is willing to look west to form a coast to coast conference, possibly allowing the Pac-12 to survive in name to an extent (Pacific-Atlantic Conference or whatever). I believe a weakened but still alive ACC might be very interested in helping to put something like that together and maybe wind up with eight schools on each coast with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU and three others (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV?) so you keep regionality. Something like that. And while the media deal would not be amazing, IMO it would be firmly in fourth behind the Big 12 and most likely significantly more than any G5 conference has. Good luck convincing Cal and Stanford to come back. They are still holding on to their academic superiority complex which would never allow them to come back and join the likes of Boise St and Fresno St.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 24, 2024 17:03:57 GMT -8
I think if the Pac-12 is indeed going to be rebuilt, it has to be done with Cal and Stanford. You then have a foundation of those four schools and possibly SMU. I think the best case in going that direction is that the ACC has held together somewhat and is willing to look west to form a coast to coast conference, possibly allowing the Pac-12 to survive in name to an extent (Pacific-Atlantic Conference or whatever). I believe a weakened but still alive ACC might be very interested in helping to put something like that together and maybe wind up with eight schools on each coast with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU and three others (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV?) so you keep regionality. Something like that. And while the media deal would not be amazing, IMO it would be firmly in fourth behind the Big 12 and most likely significantly more than any G5 conference has. Good luck convincing Cal and Stanford to come back. They are still holding on to their academic superiority complex which would never allow them to come back and join the likes of Boise St and Fresno St. Stanford turns down joining a conference with Boise and Fresno to turn around and schedule San Jose State. I will say that a complete lack of options often makes people reevaluate their previously lofty standards.
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 24, 2024 17:20:21 GMT -8
Good luck convincing Cal and Stanford to come back. They are still holding on to their academic superiority complex which would never allow them to come back and join the likes of Boise St and Fresno St. Stanford turns down joining a conference with Boise and Fresno to turn around and schedule San Jose State. I will say that a complete lack of options often makes people reevaluate their previously lofty standards. Come on, you know better. A NC name vs conference full of SJ St's is not the same. Furd has always scheduled those type of NC guys like the rest of decent D1 teams. Even more prudent now as it's a local and away games of this type save $
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Post by grayman on Jun 24, 2024 17:48:01 GMT -8
I think if the Pac-12 is indeed going to be rebuilt, it has to be done with Cal and Stanford. You then have a foundation of those four schools and possibly SMU. I think the best case in going that direction is that the ACC has held together somewhat and is willing to look west to form a coast to coast conference, possibly allowing the Pac-12 to survive in name to an extent (Pacific-Atlantic Conference or whatever). I believe a weakened but still alive ACC might be very interested in helping to put something like that together and maybe wind up with eight schools on each coast with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU and three others (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV?) so you keep regionality. Something like that. And while the media deal would not be amazing, IMO it would be firmly in fourth behind the Big 12 and most likely significantly more than any G5 conference has. Good luck convincing Cal and Stanford to come back. They are still holding on to their academic superiority complex which would never allow them to come back and join the likes of Boise St and Fresno St. My scenario was created with the assumption that either the ACC breaks up completely and Stanford, Cal and SMU are left without an option or (as I described more plainly in the post) the ACC will want/need to expand into an East Coast-West Coast conference. I agree that Cal and Stanford won't leave the ACC to join the Pac-2 as long as the ACC stays as it current is.
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Post by p8nted on Jun 24, 2024 17:48:59 GMT -8
You don't read the news? The Pac12 is not a P4, hence it's affiliations and scheduling make it G5 for every aspect of NCAA play, P4 rules/$, and voting. The Pac-12 does not have autonomous status because it's no longer really a conference. It has to add a minimum of six schools to return to conference status. Then it would either regain autonomous status or not. Mike Riley is on the CFP committee and OSU and WSU still have representation and voting rights on the DI council and the football oversight committee. BTW, the gymnastics program and I think the wrestling programs are in talks with the Big 12 to join it. Last I checked the Big 12 isn't a G5 conference. OSU and WSU only went ahead with the scheduling agreements with the MWC and WCC because those conferences are on the West Coast and it's much more difficult to schedule as an independent. South Dakota State, Cal Baptist, Utah Valley University, and Wyoming all wrestle in the Big 12. It is a mishmash of Big and very small FCS schools. Some don't even sponsor football.
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