2ndGenBeaver
Sophomore
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Grad Year: 1991 (MS/CS) 1999 (PhD/CS)
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 26, 2024 12:46:00 GMT -8
A little off topic perhaps, but I always marvel at the fact in order for the top teams to have winning records, the wins need to come from somewhere.
And you can only schedule so many "body bag" games.....so you need some conference "dregs" that let you burnish your winning season credentials with conference respectable wins. Ideally teams take turns being dregs, so the Chicago Northwestern fans experience occasional excitement along with Michigan more often.
But do you really want to kick out your dregs? Maybe relegation would systemize the issue, otherwise I am not sure you show members the door. Now we just got filtered out, along with Wazzu, but that required the conference to blow up and vultures to come calling. So maybe ACC is next. And I guess if you are virtually guaranteed of postseason and riches as a member of a super conference, dregs can go.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 26, 2024 13:16:18 GMT -8
A little off topic perhaps, but I always marvel at the fact in order for the top teams to have winning records, the wins need to come from somewhere. And you can only schedule so many "body bag" games.....so you need some conference "dregs" that let you burnish your winning season credentials with conference respectable wins. Ideally teams take turns being dregs, so the Chicago Northwestern fans experience occasional excitement along with Michigan more often. But do you really want to kick out your dregs? Maybe relegation would systemize the issue, otherwise I am not sure you show members the door. Now we just got filtered out, along with Wazzu, but that required the conference to blow up and vultures to come calling. So maybe ACC is next. And I guess if you are virtually guaranteed of postseason and riches as a member of a super conference, dregs can go..... Go Beavers! Just remember, in every conference, no matter how strong, somebody always has to be the Jets or the Panthers. |
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Post by darthbeavs on Jun 26, 2024 14:11:05 GMT -8
European soccer clubs don't also have baseball, softball, golf, volleyball, gymnastics, wrestling, etc. clubs. What happens to them when football gets relegated to a different conference? Should have specified, football only. It's coming; you all know it. Five years ago, nobody would have believed, let alone agreed, that the seismic changes we've seen manifest in the last 3 seasons was going to happen. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 26, 2024 14:40:10 GMT -8
European soccer clubs don't also have baseball, softball, golf, volleyball, gymnastics, wrestling, etc. clubs. What happens to them when football gets relegated to a different conference? Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V. is the largest sports club in Europe. Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V. also has chess, handball, basketball, gymnastics, bowling, table tennis, and volleyball teams. Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V. has a woman's soccer team. Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V. also sponsors golf tournaments. And they used to have a baseball team. The baseball team is now independent of Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V., the München Caribes.  The difference between the amazing and pretty much perfect capitalistic system in Europe is that each of the teams basically operate independent of the other teams. If the soccer team sucks, it is relegated. But the basketball team can still operate on the highest tier. Or vice versa. Each team is judged on its own successes or failures, independent of the other teams. And, if you have enough success year over year, you will be rewarded for it. If you fail enough year over year, you will be punished for it. The terrible and monopolistic American system ties all of the teams together and basically promotes and relegates them together. And the government is basically not involved in all in sports in Europe but is beyond hyper-involved in the United State of America. It is crazy that the much more socialist (generally) countries of Europe can get sports so right, and the United States of America can consistently get sports so wrong. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 26, 2024 16:09:30 GMT -8
That must be why so many Americans flock to Europe to compete in college and professional sports teams other than soccer, because the Europeans get sports so right.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 26, 2024 17:25:40 GMT -8
That must be why so many Americans flock to Europe to compete in college and professional sports teams other than soccer, because the Europeans get sports so right. They stay in America, because of money. There is so much more money running through the system, because the leagues have monopolies and do not need to expand. Because the supply is artificially limited, the costs must go up on fans. And with additional revenue, the Americans can sign better players in non-soccer related sports. But Americans sports have a real problem in appealing to other countries, because it is all very artificial. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 26, 2024 17:47:49 GMT -8
Oregon State was the wrong school to go to if you want be part of the college sports scene. The athletic department has never really made the right moves. And like previous posters have said, there's a large percentage of the student body who couldn't care less about sports. I remember that part of it well when I was attending.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's the most OSU thing ever to have a mega rich alum who doesn't give a s%#t about sports.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 26, 2024 17:53:46 GMT -8
More realignment is coming. When the dust settles, there will be one group of teams playing football in a couple of conferences that will take all the $. Those conferences will not include Kansas, Illinois, Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Vanderbilt, and whatever other SEC teams they decide to kick out (looking at you Kentucky and South Carolina). Every other school is going to being playing second tier (aka Group of 5 and below status) and that will be a shocker to a lot of people (looking at you Big12 and ACC fans). The days of power 4/5 are over, there is just a couple of seasons needed to shake things out. I know that is the hot take, that Conferences will throw members out, but I don't see it. Teams may leave their conferences, maybe even leave to start a new conference, but I don't ever see schools voting in mass to evict teams from the 2 major conferences. I'm not sure they get kicked out as much as top tier college football becomes it's own thing. Those schools don't fit into that scenario, other than body bag games. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 26, 2024 18:39:59 GMT -8
Oregon State was the wrong school to go to if you want be part of the college sports scene. The athletic department has never really made the right moves. And like previous posters have said, there's a large percentage of the student body who couldn't care less about sports. I remember that part of it well when I was attending. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's the most OSU thing ever to have a mega rich alum who doesn't give a s%#t about sports. There is a large percentage of the student body at every single university in the country that doesn't care about sports. OSU is hardly unique. OTOH, for the last five years of so our student body has been as invested in the football program as any in the country. Student support at games has been fabulous. USC is as invested in sports as anyone. Two of its largest supporters are/were George Lucas and the late Walter Annenberg, neither of whom cared about sports. WSU athletics got almost nothing at all from Paul Allen. People like Knight and Pickens are the exception, not the rule. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 26, 2024 18:50:24 GMT -8
I wonder if Pink Floyd is still looking for someone to adopt: "New car, caviar, four star daydream, think I'll buy me a football, team" 
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2ndGenBeaver
Sophomore
Posts: 1,789
Grad Year: 1991 (MS/CS) 1999 (PhD/CS)
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 26, 2024 19:53:34 GMT -8
Oregon State was the wrong school to go to if you want be part of the college sports scene. The athletic department has never really made the right moves. And like previous posters have said, there's a large percentage of the student body who couldn't care less about sports. I remember that part of it well when I was attending. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's the most OSU thing ever to have a mega rich alum who doesn't give a s%#t about sports. At least 2 mega rich alum, if "mega rich" means billionaire (Hüsnü Özyeğin and Jensen), who don't seem to care about sports - which as has been pointed out seems to be the norm more than the exception. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oregon_State_University_alumniGo Beavers! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 26, 2024 20:15:05 GMT -8
Oregon State was the wrong school to go to if you want be part of the college sports scene. The athletic department has never really made the right moves. And like previous posters have said, there's a large percentage of the student body who couldn't care less about sports. I remember that part of it well when I was attending. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's the most OSU thing ever to have a mega rich alum who doesn't give a s%#t about sports. There is a large percentage of the student body at every single university in the country that doesn't care about sports. OSU is hardly unique. OTOH, for the last five years of so our student body has been as invested in the football program as any in the country. Student support at games has been fabulous. USC is as invested in sports as anyone. Two of its largest supporters are/were George Lucas and the late Walter Annenberg, neither of whom cared about sports. WSU athletics got almost nothing at all from Paul Allen. People like Knight and Pickens are the exception, not the rule. Yea all that makes sense......but you gotta admit, based on our history, and I mean back to the Andros/Milton incident, the OSU AD has been one step forward, two steps back ever since. My point is, it's just not surprising that our ultra, mega rich alum is not a sports donor...and I'm pretty sure his wealth has accumulated tremendously, very recently.......it just fits with OSU. That's all. |
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