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Post by gnawitall on Apr 13, 2024 3:06:34 GMT -8
I can't imagine these players didn't realize they'd be chirped out; or tweeted at in this case.
Also, I played college sports at various levels and to have this many players bolt for; tougher competition, higher pay, more glory, etc... hmmmm I smell a 🐀.
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Post by markarmour04 on Apr 13, 2024 10:14:30 GMT -8
I'm fine with any 21-year-old college student exercising his or her right to choose what college they want to attend. When it comes to these sorts of decisions, how I feel about it should be a non-factor. Do what you need to do.
That said, people have a right to be disappointed. This team, more than most (all?) sports teams I have ever followed, completely sold the "family" angle--America's team, watering the grass, Beaver Nation, Fill Gill.
But this was a lie. Our relationship with them has always been transactional: they played basketball to the best of their abilities, we pay money and cheer. Many of you have been doing this for decades, and will for a few more. YOU are the family, because you are in it for life, through wins and losses, through tournaments and finishing 8-20. They are in it until they find something better ... which is how I have treated every job I've ever had. I am not slamming them, I am doing the opposite: this is how it is supposed to work.
The endless "Thanks for being part of the family, go conquer the world!" posts on Facebook are more than a bit sad. There is no reason to be bitter, but there is also no reason to press your face against the glass while they all drive away.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 13, 2024 10:56:49 GMT -8
I'm fine with any 21-year-old college student exercising his or her right to choose what college they want to attend. When it comes to these sorts of decisions, how I feel about it should be a non-factor. Do what you need to do. That said, people have a right to be disappointed. This team, more than most (all?) sports teams I have ever followed, completely sold the "family" angle--America's team, watering the grass, Beaver Nation, Fill Gill. But this was a lie. Our relationship with them has always been transactional: they played basketball to the best of their abilities, we pay money and cheer. Many of you have been doing this for decades, and will for a few more. YOU are the family, because you are in it for life, through wins and losses, through tournaments and finishing 8-20. They are in it until they find something better ... which is how I have treated every job I've ever had. I am not slamming them, I am doing the opposite: this is how it is supposed to work. The endless "Thanks for being part of the family, go conquer the world!" posts on Facebook are more than a bit sad. There is no reason to be bitter, but there is also no reason to press your face against the glass while they all drive away. I've met many of the players and they are good people. I think they are making the wrong decision for their own future, but college kids are allowed to do that. And just like any other college kid I know and like I will wish them joy and success in life. |
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Post by jayvinson on Apr 13, 2024 11:03:24 GMT -8
During at least the next two seasons they could have been top five or better. They likely would have been a legacy that would be talked about for decades ala 1979-1981 men's basketball and 2005-2007 baseball. Instead they chose to be just another team. Oh, the memories they could have had in their later years .... never to be, due to the ignorance of youth and the poor advice of advisors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 13:27:29 GMT -8
I thought the jumping on the scorers table at the end of the UCLA was more of a cry out for help or emotional imbalance surfacing than a victory celebration.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 13, 2024 15:44:06 GMT -8
Can't help but wonder a few things. The last game was on March 31 in Albany and Talia announced her transfer decision on the afternoon of April 2. When was the meeting held then? It sounds like a group decision was made to bail, which one would hope wasn't just made starting from scratch on the day after the final game. I'm speculating here, but I would guess it had been an ongoing discussion while the season was still going on. Also, what would have been said at this meeting to convince 8 of 13 to leave? It couldn't have been just money; not much of that is going to be available to the non-starters wherever they go. The WCC thing doesn't ring true as the dominant thing either. They know how good they could have been, and they never even gave the school the opportunity to schedule tough opponents early. And I can't buy either that it had anything to do with the coaching staff. Nothing has been even implied by any of them that was a factor, and you all read Syd's post. So what the hell in this meeting triggered so many to jump ship? I don't suppose we'll ever know. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 13, 2024 15:55:52 GMT -8
"they played basketball to the best of their abilities, we pay money and cheer."
True, For decades the money we paid was for tickets, and program support so they would have the facilities and other tools to be competitive.
To me, that all changed when they also started asking fans for NIL money, for cash above and beyond the full scholarship/cost of attendance
stipend. When we start paying them a "salary" in addition to scholarship/COA, I expected more. Foolish me. Won't get fooled again.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 13, 2024 19:33:43 GMT -8
I thought the jumping on the scorers table at the end of the UCLA was more of a cry out for help or emotional imbalance surfacing than a victory celebration. I don't dislike her, but since the end of her sophomore year or so, she really became this drama queen. Maybe read too many clippings and made the "face" of the program and to have gone to her head and not into her overall play. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 20:10:41 GMT -8
Agreed, Drama Queen metaphor fits.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 13, 2024 21:30:09 GMT -8
Can't help but wonder a few things. The last game was on March 31 in Albany and Talia announced her transfer decision on the afternoon of April 2. When was the meeting held then? It sounds like a group decision was made to bail, which one would hope wasn't just made starting from scratch on the day after the final game. I'm speculating here, but I would guess it had been an ongoing discussion while the season was still going on. Also, what would have been said at this meeting to convince 8 of 13 to leave? It couldn't have been just money; not much of that is going to be available to the non-starters wherever they go. The WCC thing doesn't ring true as the dominant thing either. They know how good they could have been, and they never even gave the school the opportunity to schedule tough opponents early. And I can't buy either that it had anything to do with the coaching staff. Nothing has been even implied by any of them that was a factor, and you all read Syd's post. So what the hell in this meeting triggered so many to jump ship? I don't suppose we'll ever know. In all fairness, it is a multi-hour plane ride back to CVO from Albany (NY). And did the team stay overnight in Albany after their SC game? Maybe meetings occurred then......That said, I noticed TvO appeared to me to be laboring under psychological strain after her "jump on the table" UCLA moment......Not hard for me to imagine the team's focus shifting to next season somewhere in there. And even us fans were guilty of "last time we're playing one of the T10 traitors" talk in their second go-around......Also, TvO graduated and may have tired of being the face of the program, started realizing while "built not bought" had a purity to it, the witticism "money can't buy you happiness, but it can get you pretty darn close" is also bandied about, and she may have found attraction in a new $tart with less "face of the program" burden. I also squint and imagine the women from different teams comparing notes on NIL/PT/coaching/playing styles at the tournament - there were several monied, storied programs in attendance....While conference affiliation might have been the only team meeting agenda item, there also may have been a cascade effect with entirely different motives at work: TvO leaving for love, Timea leaving to start, Beers leaving because she saw how Clark was monetizing greatness, Dono leaving because her assist gravy train was departing, Adlee leaving for more PT, Lily leaving because she wants to be closer to home, Marta leaving because Adlee's quest for more PT resonated with her, Dom leaving because all her friends were leaving.......all of this is mere speculation, and it doesn't matter. They're gone, by choice, as is their right. And the best thing about all of this? I actually had to go visit the OSU WBB roster page to recall all of the Elite 8 runaways' names (surprised even myself!). I'll be cheering for whomever takes to the Gill floor come November, wearing Orange and Black, representing my school, but likely from a bit of a distance compared to these last several years.....since now I've learned I'm one supposed team meeting away from having to reset on the players I'm cheering for..... Go (2024-2025 season) Beavers! |
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 14, 2024 2:46:44 GMT -8
If I may return the conversation re: TvO to game play for just a moment, it feels like (to me, in retrospect) the weight of the conference "downgrade" started to weigh on TvO before the season even ended. UCLA was a "one shining moment" for her - ball in her hand in the waning seconds against a storied ranked Pac-12 program.....because a bit after that game it appeared to me much of the time she was laboring, and mostly in a psychological way. Her last games against ND and USC were certainly well off her seasonal averages (combined 4-19 FG, 0-6 3PT, 7ppg), so this departure might have been more thought through and dwelt upon than it appears right now. And she eliminated NIL $$$ as a root cause earlier, and rebuts Rich Burk's (very classy message with little hate, in my books) query around "did the team meet together to discuss?" with an emphatic "yes!". So my working theory is that (primarily) going from Stanford/USC/UCLA/Utah/Colorado class rivals to Gonzaga/<a bunch of "lesser" programs> just didn't do it for the departing players [because by many measures, they had everything else going for them]. And while their current 'family'/fans had to accept the conference relegation thanks to the short-sighted greed of schools south and north of us, *the players* didn't have to accept it. So they didn't. Like I tell my kids, "you get to make choices, but choices have consequences". Here's hoping it all works out for them (in some sense, it likely already has - at that age, the excitement of new suitors in new places with new teams is going to overwhelm any feelings of sadness over departure, modulo the "hate" from jilted fans). In a few decades, some of them might find (in the words of England Dan Seals) "that all that glitters is not gold", but most may not look back and introspect even then (there are only so many Syds in the world). And again - it is their life to live, I just get to root for them. All good - I really liked one of the comments in response to TvO's posting - something to the effect of "you can change your colors if you choose, thanks, I wish you well, but I'm going to be buried in Black and Orange". I think that is how I am going to look at this situation as well, because I'm going to be buried in Black and Orange as well. Go Beavers! The grass is greener got van lith and by the end of LSU season she saw the error of her greed. It didnt work out changing teams. This venture by some of these girls could fair the same way. They still were missing something that kept them from beating south carolna. Do these kids think it will be greener else where.? with the exception of beers and also maybe including beers they are only great collectively. Just watch and learn the lesson from van lith. This is also true of talia where other leaders had emerged and were taking over. Time for her to move on. |
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Post by greybeav on Apr 14, 2024 15:05:23 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Apr 14, 2024 16:43:34 GMT -8
I must have missed something in his original posts. Because the couple of tweets I saw didn't really have anything caustic except to ask if they had discussed it as a team. That was about it. How horrible! How dare he ask them questions on a public forum! Especially ones they don't have to answer! I don't get it, but maybe someone more knowledgeable does. Oh, and one more thing - you take the cash, you want the fame, but you don't want people questioning your choices in public? haa... welcome to every other minor celebrity. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 14, 2024 16:47:18 GMT -8
I feel bad for Rich Burk - a well-meaning seemingly heartfelt post echoing what a lot of us were thinking put to words resulting in the dreaded internet backlash. At least he had the good sense to apologize. Hopefully before the more radical fringe of the internet got a hold of his home address or what not. The cyber-frontier is not ushering in an era of grace, dialog, empathy.....I better quit before I start getting backlash. Here's hoping Rich doesn't lose his job over this.
There is only 1 question left in my mind when I ponder the Elite 8 - "did they realize the positive impact they had on the larger Beaver community, and did they realize the impact their departure would have on that same community?" A question that closely follows is "did this come up in their meeting, and did they ponder for a second a nice way to deal with the communal aftermath of their mass departure?"
Youth is truly wasted on the young! The wisest counsel I ever got regarding professionalism was "make your departure classy".
Here's hoping this post doesn't get me "Rich Burk'ed". Sigh.
Go Beavers!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 15, 2024 6:52:14 GMT -8
The OSU women's bball FB page ROASTED Burk over his comments. Waaaay over the top. Like pitchforks and nooses.....calling for his job! Crazy.
I thought Burks questions/comments were appropriate. He showed no "hate". He simply expressed what the rest of us who are invested in OSU, and the women's B ball program were thinking.
Its interesting that Burk gets roasted, yet Syd Weise doesn't. Syd actually called them out.
I think it's a slap in the face to Beaver Nation for the narrative to be "show nothing but support, and love for these student athletes, while they put our program in the dumpster.". It's not fair to the program and those who support it.
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