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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 12, 2024 7:15:05 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 12, 2024 8:18:38 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8. I’m fine with having a relatively big kid that doesn’t shoot the 3 if he’s active underneath. Free throws is another thing though, kids should be able to hit 70%+ in my mind, higher is better. We need a genuine big or two to come in, I’d prefer to see Ndong in the 4 spot with him only filling in at the 5 if necessary. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 12, 2024 8:18:52 GMT -8
Maxime Reynaud withdrawing from portal and returning to Stanford.
I don’t think Pope comes back, but it wouldn’t completely surprise me to see a player or two to return to Beavers. That said, wouldn’t put money on Bilodeau coming back. I do think the percentage of players returning to teams after entering portal will increase some over next couple of years.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 12, 2024 8:38:57 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8. I’m fine with having a relatively big kid that doesn’t shoot the 3 if he’s active underneath. Free throws is another thing though, kids should be able to hit 70%+ in my mind, higher is better. We need a genuine big or two to come in, I’d prefer to see Ndong in the 4 spot with him only filling in at the 5 if necessary. I know you like Ndong a lot, but I think this is the kind of kid — 10 and 5 from lower conference — Tinkle should have brought in last year rather than Ndong or Mars. People talk about how young we were and that was Tinkle’s doing. He needed to get the sophomores some help last year since with portal and NIL there was a pretty good chance he wouldn’t have all of them back as juniors. Should have brought in a transfer big and passed on Ndong or Mars, and a transfer guard/wing and not taken Craig. Have to balance getting development guys and getting guys who can help you be better now. I’m not a coach and after a couple of games, it was apparent to me that none of those 3 were going to contribute this past year. Would think an actual coach would have been able to figure that out much earlier. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 12, 2024 8:57:10 GMT -8
I’m fine with having a relatively big kid that doesn’t shoot the 3 if he’s active underneath. Free throws is another thing though, kids should be able to hit 70%+ in my mind, higher is better. We need a genuine big or two to come in, I’d prefer to see Ndong in the 4 spot with him only filling in at the 5 if necessary. I know you like Ndong a lot, but I think this is the kind of kid — 10 and 5 from lower conference — Tinkle should have brought in last year rather than Ndong or Mars. People talk about how young we were and that was Tinkle’s doing. He needed to get the sophomores some help last year since with portal and NIL there was a pretty good chance he wouldn’t have all of them back as juniors. Should have brought in a transfer big and passed on Ndong or Mars, and a transfer guard/wing and not taken Craig. Have to balance getting development guys and getting guys who can help you be better now. I’m not a coach and after a couple of games, it was apparent to me that none of those 3 were going to contribute this past year. Would think an actual coach would have been able to figure that out much earlier. Had everyone stayed, I think Ndong would be a strong player for us his senior year. Not at all sure he’ll be at that level the next year or two. I think Marrs is along the same lines, lots of potential but he needs 30 pounds and more experience, having 17-19 high school games didn’t help him. If they can put it together earlier, great. I really like Rataj, if he stays, I’d hope this year can be his coming out party of sorts. I would welcome this new kid. For now, with the loss of Bilodeau and Ibekwe, we’re in a bad way in the front court as far as I’m concerned. We need at least 4-5 kids that can come in and contribute in 3,4,5 spots, potentially more if there are other transfers out. I’m not keen on relying on the 3. I think that and a shortened time clock really hurt the college game. I like a strong inside game, hated seeing kids like Calloo and Olaf spending too much time outside. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 12, 2024 9:25:29 GMT -8
I know you like Ndong a lot, but I think this is the kind of kid — 10 and 5 from lower conference — Tinkle should have brought in last year rather than Ndong or Mars. People talk about how young we were and that was Tinkle’s doing. He needed to get the sophomores some help last year since with portal and NIL there was a pretty good chance he wouldn’t have all of them back as juniors. Should have brought in a transfer big and passed on Ndong or Mars, and a transfer guard/wing and not taken Craig. Have to balance getting development guys and getting guys who can help you be better now. I’m not a coach and after a couple of games, it was apparent to me that none of those 3 were going to contribute this past year. Would think an actual coach would have been able to figure that out much earlier. Had everyone stayed, I think Ndong would be a strong player for us his senior year. Not at all sure he’ll be at that level the next year or two. I think Marrs is along the same lines, lots of potential but he needs 30 pounds and more experience, having 17-19 high school games didn’t help him. If they can put it together earlier, great. I really like Rataj, if he stays, I’d hope this year can be his coming out party of sorts. I would welcome this new kid. For now, with the loss of Bilodeau and Ibekwe, we’re in a bad way in the front court as far as I’m concerned. We need at least 4-5 kids that can come in and contribute in 3,4,5 spots, potentially more if there are other transfers out. You started your post with what Tinkle must have been thinking — and a way of thinking that is now obsolete — which just gives credence to my feeling that Tinkle has no idea how to handle this new era of basketball. Going into the season. I would have said there was a 75% chance Pope would leave after his sophomore year. 65% that Bilodeau would and 50% that Rataj would. What would better their chances of staying? NIL and winning/improvement maybe. We know more NIL likely wasn’t going to appear, and him bringing in 3 more freshmen and a JC transfer after losing his 2nd leading scorer (on a bad scoring team) likely wasn’t going to help the team win. I’m not saying Ndong and/or Marrs — or even Craig (though not so bullish on him) — are bad players who won’t develop into decent or better players. I just think two of them were luxuries we couldn’t afford. The portal/NIL have added another layer to roster construction that Tinkle doesn’t seem to have grasped. I don’t think bringing in 8 HS recruits over a two-year period is a recipe for success — either for winning now or building a program. Sure doesn’t look as it is. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 12, 2024 9:42:37 GMT -8
Some folks here seem to think WT has a lot of recruiting choices. The lack of news, hence "out of the blue"/late signings are basically leftovers that he's able to land. The same with the youngsters/projects.
At 10/5 the Texas St. kid may have some of the better D1 transfer stats WT has landed?
There are/will be again 100's of portal players left with no where to land. They end up walking on or getting school paid at a place like OSU.
Until OSU has a new program to sell this recruiting class will mirror the last 5? 6? After 10 seasons HS coaches and players know. Look, Pope & Tyler are mid tier role players on very good to elite teams and they're still risking a lesser role in an unknown system. With all the speculation why players leave, winning matters. Winning is notoriety, winning breds program interest & more opportunities. Both were recruited and signed during and after the E8. Then they got to experience the norm and that's with them being best pair of HS recruits since the "sons".
Unless WT lucks into an overlooked "diamond" he'll most likely not land any difference maker(s). He'll have mostly noncontributers and trouble makers to choose from. Sound familiar?
So, if the Texas St. kid isn't the latter I hope he signs. His stats are as good or better than 2-3-4 of past signees combined!
My guess... which really isn't based on past seasons... WT will be filing out a roster as the first day of Fall classes nears.
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 12, 2024 10:09:41 GMT -8
Had everyone stayed, I think Ndong would be a strong player for us his senior year. Not at all sure he’ll be at that level the next year or two. I think Marrs is along the same lines, lots of potential but he needs 30 pounds and more experience, having 17-19 high school games didn’t help him. If they can put it together earlier, great. I really like Rataj, if he stays, I’d hope this year can be his coming out party of sorts. I would welcome this new kid. For now, with the loss of Bilodeau and Ibekwe, we’re in a bad way in the front court as far as I’m concerned. We need at least 4-5 kids that can come in and contribute in 3,4,5 spots, potentially more if there are other transfers out. You started your post with what Tinkle must have been thinking — and a way of thinking that is now obsolete — which just gives credence to my feeling that Tinkle has no idea how to handle this new era of basketball. Going into the season. I would have said there was a 75% chance Pope would leave after his sophomore year. 65% that Bilodeau would and 50% that Rataj would. What would better their chances of staying? NIL and winning/improvement maybe. We know more NIL likely wasn’t going to appear, and him bringing in 3 more freshmen and a JC transfer after losing his 2nd leading scorer (on a bad scoring team) likely wasn’t going to help the team win. I’m not saying Ndong and/or Marrs — or even Craig (though not so bullish on him) — are bad players who won’t develop into decent or better players. I just think two of them were luxuries we couldn’t afford. The portal/NIL have added another layer to roster construction that Tinkle doesn’t seem to have grasped. I don’t think bringing in 8 HS recruits over a two-year period is a recipe for success — either for winning now or building a program. Sure doesn’t look as it is. Yeah, I agree and it’s why in the preseason poll I picked them to win about the same number of games as they had the year before. There just weren’t any players added to help the team immediately. I think some of the guys he brought in could be decent, but it’s hard to build for a team with mostly high school recruits that develop over 3 or 4 years with the college game how it is now. Tinkle had ok success with the portal prior to the elite 8 year. I have to think his failure with some of the transfers after that had a lot to do with going so heavy with freshman the last two years. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 12, 2024 10:20:16 GMT -8
So I get on here saying I'm good with having a kid that can play inside and am not worried about the lack of him being able to shoot threes, and suddenly this becomes a Tinkle screwed the pooch last year thread?
Right now it's not looking good for next season. I don't think Tinkle is going to bring in some great transfer class, but I am interested in seeing what he does get.
There could (I'm not saying "will") be a few pleasant surprises when next season is all said and done. Some people tend to forget that Tinkle inherited a team with 6-7 players from Robinson in the last half of May who's leading scorer averaged 4.0 points a game, and took them to 17 wins. Can he do it again? I'm not saying he can, not saying he can't, but some have apparently already made up their minds. There's a lot of work ahead to create even a half way competitive WCC team. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 12, 2024 11:52:33 GMT -8
It's so funny how the "inherited" players from CR is brought up. First, those inherited players make the point about WT's poor recruiting. and a new refreshed outlook system. WT did not suddenly make those players better, they got PT and bought into a new system... until they didn't.
The low stats cited were due to the roster in 2013-2014. The guys WT inherited received more more playing time his first season and were now playing with an elite player in GPII... also not a WT recruit! In the previous season these guys were on the team with Roberto, Moreland, Collier, Brandt, plus a highly rated guard from one of the BEST HS programs in the country in Hallice Cook.
Those "lowly" carryovers were the backbone of WT's first team... Malcolm 10.7, Victor 10.3, LMW 9.3, Jarmal 8.3, Olaf 7.8, Gomis 4.3 (GPII 13.4)... because they were solid recruits by the previous staff, not some set of "anchors" that WT suddenly made in to players. Take away the (3) sons and see which maligned coach actually recruited at a overall higher level?!
Funny, when it serves to prove a false narrative WT can rebuild with another coaches lowly recruits, but can't with his own.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 12, 2024 12:00:56 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8. Wonder if he was on their NIT Championship team. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 12, 2024 12:18:25 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8. Wonder if he was on their NIT Championship team. Wrong "Texas" team... the Mean Green of N. Texas won that in '22-23 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 12, 2024 12:56:52 GMT -8
Doesn’t shoot the 3 and a really bad FT shooter. Had 4 double doubles with season highs being 23 points and 14 rebounds. Nothing jumps out as hugely positive, but who knows. We need players and has height at least at 6-8. Wonder if he was on their NIT Championship team. He was on Texas State's 2022 NIT team. Texas State won the Sun Belt Regular Season Championship in 2021-22 but lost to eventual runner-up Louisiana in the quarterfinals. Texas State got an automatic bid into the NIT but lost in overtime to North Texas. Texas State lost to Sun Belt Champion, Louisiana (again), in the semifinals. Louisiana lost to Tennessee in the Tourney by three in the First Round. Texas State lost to Sun Belt Champion, James Madison, in the semifinals for a second consecutive year. James Madison upset Wisconsin 72-61 before bowing out to Elite EIght Duke in the Second Round. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 12, 2024 14:29:07 GMT -8
Wonder if he was on their NIT Championship team. Wrong "Texas" team... the Mean Green of N. Texas won that in '22-23 Ha ha! See? I told Henry that people didn’t care about the NIT. He told me NT and I still got it wrong! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 12, 2024 14:51:30 GMT -8
Wrong "Texas" team... the Mean Green of N. Texas won that in '22-23 Hs ha! See? I told Henry that people didn’t care about the NIT. He told me NT and I still got it wrong! Pay attention to the master, grasshopper.  |
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