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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 25, 2024 13:30:32 GMT -8
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Post by takethatbeav on Mar 25, 2024 13:33:53 GMT -8
19 and 20 yr old division 1 athletes don’t beat 21-25 yr old division 1 athletes on a regular basis. Anyone who argues this point is not worth arguing with. |
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Post by takethatbeav on Mar 25, 2024 13:36:45 GMT -8
When George Mason, Butler, VCU, Wichita State all made their incredible runs to the final four they were ridiculously old teams in their era. Good old basketball players can beat 19-year-old kids who will play in the NBA one day it’s been proven out over and over again |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2024 15:23:05 GMT -8
Each of the last 7 national champions have been older than Oregon State and 9 of the last 10. 11 national champions ago is the Kentucky team referenced, filled with one-and-doners. Youth does beat age all the time. But it tends to be teams that have exorbitantly high budgets, who are able to line the bench with a bunch of one-and-done diaper dandies. It is implausible that that will ever be Oregon State in the Pac-12. 2021-22 was wretched. Oregon State needed to build out of that. And the Beavs have still not built out. But progress appears to have been made. If the team sticks together, I expect great things next year. I'd be more open minded if I actually saw the kind of progress this year that you seem to think occurred. I mean it just seems like more of the same: Bad conference record again, horrible road record again and one and done in the conf tourney again. And it wasn't like the conference was getting 5-6 at large bids like they have in other years. So there were some conference wins for the taking that we still couldn't get. Could the team be much better next year? Not without at least 1-2 key additions imho. I guess it depends on each person's definition of "better"?? I mean playing in the WCC... with maybe (2) games versus NET 359 Pacific, NET 295 Portland, NET 226 Pepperdine, NET 199 LMU, NET 294 San Diego, then some better but certainly not crazy tough teams in Santa Clara USF who were a combined 2-16 vs Q1 teams. Add, a possible easier NC without being invited to play Nebraska, Baylor, Pitt (but easy games are always needed so maybe an invite somewhere??)... I'm guessing no matter the type of ball a "better" record in a 10th rated NET conference (as no more Pac12 will automatically move them up one spot) will be enough for some on here. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 25, 2024 16:37:09 GMT -8
JC some are are good at making excuses....again. Old, young, in between bottom line we were in last place again. Last place. We sucked again. I don't know the average age of the team a few years ago (the year after the elite 8) but since there were a bunch of transfers in I'm guessing we were on average older. How'd that year work for us?
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Post by takethatbeav on Mar 26, 2024 10:48:14 GMT -8
JC some are are good at making excuses....again. Old, young, in between bottom line we were in last place again. Last place. We sucked again. I don't know the average age of the team a few years ago (the year after the elite 8) but since there were a bunch of transfers in I'm guessing we were on average older. How'd that year work for us? Age and experience matter a lot. I don’t think, pointing those factors out is excuse making. When you look at what Jordan pope, Tyler Bilodeau, Michael Rataj did this year compared to last year….. think about what next year could mean for Josiah Lake, Gavin Marrs, Thomas Ndong, D Craig…… Going from high school to division one has always been difficult for everyone who wasn’t a straight up blue chip recruit that was a surefire NBA player…… Going from high school to division one, especially a major conference after the invention of NIL and Forever eligibility due to COVID-19…….. has made it even more difficult. There’s a lot of growth between year one and two for players with upside.. And sometimes people just aren’t good enough to compete at the level they thought they could compete at and they find a spot somewhere else. Here’s the part of the post I don’t like, all the IF’s……If Nate Meihof is the shooter people say he is, if lake takes his game up a notch, If Marrs puts on some weight and keeps his athleticism, if Ndong takes another step forward, if craig gets some defensive ability……..this could be a really good team. Do I think OSU is gonna hit a home run on all 5 of those IFs? Most assuredly not…….but if 3 of those IFs hit, and the core 3 stay along with KC…….and 3 of those guys turn out to be players…..it’s a good roster. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2024 11:53:09 GMT -8
Colorado and Oregon earned us $5 million. Thanks guys. Three units left for Arizona to earn for us before the Pac-12 men's basketball closes up shop. Hopefully Arizona doesn’t win the whole thing. That would cause Wilky to claim we’re National Champs since we beat them.  |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 26, 2024 12:02:22 GMT -8
There are some on here that have compared Bilodeau to charlie sitton and ibekwe to Steve Johnson. Gotta make you laugh.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2024 12:35:26 GMT -8
There are some on here that have compared Bilodeau to charlie sitton and ibekwe to Steve Johnson. Gotta make you laugh.  |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2024 13:18:16 GMT -8
There are some on here that have compared Bilodeau to charlie sitton and ibekwe to Steve Johnson. Gotta make you laugh. Here are the per-game averages for two OSU sophomores. Player A: 14.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, .533 FG%, .798 FT% Player B: 12.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, .598 FG%, .815 FT% Which one is Bilodeau, and which one is Sitton? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 26, 2024 14:59:03 GMT -8
Team 1: 13-19, 5-15 in league. Finished last place.
Team 2: 25-5, 16-2 in league, finished first.
Which Team did Bilodeau play on and which team did sitton play on? Sitton didn't have to score for his team to be successful. If sitton had to score his average would have been much higher.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2024 15:47:05 GMT -8
Team 1: 13-19, 5-15 in league. Finished last place. Team 2: 25-5, 16-2 in league, finished first. Which Team did Bilodeau play on and which team did sitton play on? Sitton didn't have to score for his team to be successful. If sitton had to score his average would have been much higher. I never saw Sitton play. I have seen Tyler play. He is only a sophomore, has been an outstanding player at times and has plenty of room for growth. I have no idea if he'll be as good or better or worse than Sitton by the time he's a senior. I do know that it's foolish to make a final judgment of someone after their sophomore year. Your statement just tells me that Sitton had a much easier time of it and didn't face the challenges Bilodeau does every game. He didn't have to score for his team to win, so there was no pressure on him. He wasn't the top or even the No. 2 concern of opposing defenses. He also had much better talent to play with. There is no way to tell how Sitton would have performed on the 2023-24 Beavers, just as there is no way to tell how Bilodeau would have performed in the Beavers of Sitton's era. So you compare their numbers. Besides, we were comparing individuals, not teams. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 26, 2024 15:58:59 GMT -8
No way to intelligently compare players of different eras. But, in an era without internet and all it entails with regard to recruiting... one was a top recruit nationally and had his pick of hoop schools. The other not so much.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2024 16:06:17 GMT -8
No way to intelligently compare players of different eras. But, in an era without internet and all it entails with regard to recruiting... one was a top recruit nationally and had his pick of hoop schools. The other not so much. Don’t sell Bilodeau short. He may have been the most improved player in the league this year. CJ Giles was a top 100 prospect. How’d that work out? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2024 16:17:54 GMT -8
No way to intelligently compare players of different eras. But, in an era without internet and all it entails with regard to recruiting... one was a top recruit nationally and had his pick of hoop schools. The other not so much. That's true. But as you surely know, the sports world is full of overlooked, undervalued recruits who turned into outstanding players. We know what Sitton became, an outstanding college player and one-year professional. Now we await Tyler's future. Just saying it's way too early to say one doesn't even merit comparison with another, as STH did. |
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