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Post by rgeorge on Mar 23, 2024 23:46:46 GMT -8
Lol... speaking of fallacy!
You realize that age of the
entire roster can not be shown to be anything more than a weak correlation in wins/losses.
AAWM (average age weighted by minutes played) is more accurate but still not a determining factor in winning. Your strawman attempt of pointing out a few teams/events that actually don't prove the actual argument.
Age alone doesn't win games. Youth beats age all the time. Did the oldest teams all win their conference? Is the field of 68 the oldest teams? Have any younger teams beat older? Did Kansas just lose to a younger Gonzaga? Did the Fab 5 win a title? Was the average age of the UK 2012 title team under 20? As I stated previously,
too many factors to just say a young roster is a reason for losing.
In fact it's been pointed out in several articles that the age of mbb teams has gotten older due two recent situations. First, the extra year granted for Covid. The 2018, 2019 newcomers are this seasons RS/covidyear etc.
are this tourney's 5th/6th year Srs. Next, the transfer portal. Coaches turned from HS to portal recruiting making rosters instantly older. But, guess who couldn't consistently succeed even with those changes and now youth is his demise? If you think youth is OSU's issue, guess who's responsible?
But, even as age #s increased younger teams still have great success. Lucky for you the WCC is the 11th rated conference, 10th next year with no Pac12. You can then spout & praise WT for rebuilding... his own program... for the 3rd time! And, for the bargain price over double the average WCC coach's salary.
At least I'll see more wins in person. Of course vs more teams like our typical NC schedule. Yet, even more wins will mean an NIT at best as WT isn't getting the one, maybe two WCC NCAA bids. But, if course then it'll be, "OSU got screwed". 😉
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2024 13:17:09 GMT -8
Each of the last 7 national champions have been older than Oregon State and 9 of the last 10. 11 national champions ago is the Kentucky team referenced, filled with one-and-doners.
Youth does beat age all the time. But it tends to be teams that have exorbitantly high budgets, who are able to line the bench with a bunch of one-and-done diaper dandies. It is implausible that that will ever be Oregon State in the Pac-12.
2021-22 was wretched. Oregon State needed to build out of that. And the Beavs have still not built out. But progress appears to have been made.
If the team sticks together, I expect great things next year.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 24, 2024 13:26:18 GMT -8
Epic.
We too young to win. Yet again. For like the 100th year in a row. Loser talk.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2024 14:14:33 GMT -8
Epic. We too young to win. Yet again. For like the 100th year in a row. Loser talk. Second year in a row? You say po-tait-o. I say po-tat-o. You say loser talk. I say realistic. Second year in a row that Oregon State has just been silly young. Unless you can afford the NIL contracts to bring in diaper dandies, Oregon State needs to have a veteran team. Almost there but not quite. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Mar 24, 2024 14:23:12 GMT -8
At least I'll see more wins in person. Of course vs more teams like our typical NC schedule. Yet, even more wins will mean an NIT at best as WT isn't getting the one, maybe two WCC NCAA bids. But, if course then it'll be, "OSU got screwed". 😉 HOLY s%#t dude, we get it. you don't like WT as the coach. You mention it in just about every GD posting you make. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 24, 2024 15:09:04 GMT -8
At least I'll see more wins in person. Of course vs more teams like our typical NC schedule. Yet, even more wins will mean an NIT at best as WT isn't getting the one, maybe two WCC NCAA bids. But, if course then it'll be, "OSU got screwed". 😉 HOLY s%#t dude, we get it. you don't like WT as the coach. You mention it in just about every GD posting you make. 🌬 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 24, 2024 16:00:26 GMT -8
Colorado and Oregon earned us $5 million. Thanks guys.
Three units left for Arizona to earn for us before the Pac-12 men's basketball closes up shop.
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Post by takethatbeav on Mar 24, 2024 19:15:51 GMT -8
LOL... new excuses. Most people know age has little to do with overall NCAA success. "Old" team lose to "young" teams ALL the time... regular season and post. San Diego State (23.0) trounced by UConn (21.3) Who has more "experience" a Soph who played 95% of the minutes over two seasons or a 5th years Sr who barley saw the floor his first three seasons? OSU had lots of game/minutes played returning and in the same system. Is years in the same system mean more than just a player's age of say someone transferring in? Far too many variables to even try to justify age as a reason for these last three seasons. Plus... part of being an "old" team is the ability to actually keep players in the program. Hmmmmm... OSU averaged about 21 (20.7 as far as I can tell with limited bdays listed) years of age... older than several top 25 teams. OSU had more game experience than say Arizona's 2023 NCAA tourney team of 0.52. Point blank the program is not in good shape and "age" isn't the reason. For every "old" team you can find I can find team younger than excelled. There is one reason and one reason ONLY for the state of the program... Nobody on the team that was over the age of 21 was a consistent game changer. That’s the point. Yeah Chol and Dexter were older, Felipe is 22. How much different is this team without those 3 guys? Not much I’d say. Dex had his moments, but he also had moments he took us right out of the game. Now how different is UTAH with out their old guys and Carlson. How different is Oregon without Cousinard? Cal doesn’t beat us twice without dudes 24 yrs or older. That inside guy was already 25 when OSU played him and he was a major difference maker. Those are just a few examples I can come up with from my bed without looking up more. USC has a ton of talent and they are young……..they were bad too. I don’t think it’s excuses. I think it’s just understanding that age and experience and physical development play huge factors. OSU decided to go the developmental route instead of the 1 yr 2 yr player route and they paid for it the last 2 seasons. |
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 25, 2024 0:52:20 GMT -8
Keep sucking on that Pac-12 teet. I'd rather keep sucking on that Pac-12 teet at the expense of duplicitous a**holes like the leg humpers and slug eaters, than bend over and take it without vaseline, like hole and others did to join another conference. So, as others have eluded to, given your timing and post history, why are you here? At least Greene was/ is respectful, and doesn't hide who he is, and who he supports. We did not sign up for this - it is the hand we were dealt by a bunch of Brutus's. Childish. Take responsibility We're in this lot because of our own doing and nothing else, and if the shoe were on the other foot you'd have no sympathy for the situation we're in with WSU. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2024 9:21:15 GMT -8
I'd rather keep sucking on that Pac-12 teet at the expense of duplicitous a**holes like the leg humpers and slug eaters, than bend over and take it without vaseline, like hole and others did to join another conference. So, as others have eluded to, given your timing and post history, why are you here? At least Greene was/ is respectful, and doesn't hide who he is, and who he supports. We did not sign up for this - it is the hand we were dealt by a bunch of Brutus's. Childish. Take responsibility We're in this lot because of our own doing and nothing else, and if the shoe were on the other foot you'd have no sympathy for the situation we're in with WSU. We broke up the Pac-12? Interesting take. Hot even. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 25, 2024 12:02:03 GMT -8
Colorado and Oregon earned us $5 million. Thanks guys. Three units left for Arizona to earn for us before the Pac-12 men's basketball closes up shop. Hopefully Arizona doesn’t win the whole thing. That would cause Wilky to claim we’re National Champs since we beat them. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2024 12:55:26 GMT -8
Colorado and Oregon earned us $5 million. Thanks guys. Three units left for Arizona to earn for us before the Pac-12 men's basketball closes up shop. Hopefully Arizona doesn’t win the whole thing. That would cause Wilky to claim we’re National Champs since we beat them. Well, OSU is already a tourney team since we lost to Oregon by a lesser margin than SC. So, beating Zona makes us a S16 team. Except in the imagination only as... - East coast bias - getting screwed by the committee... oh wait, isn't Barnes on it? - youth - no investment in facilities - Pac12 officials - recruiting budget - and the ghost of every prior coach since Ralph Will not allow any chance of consistent success. And, it doesn't matter that the same "list" (did I miss some?) existed during the E8. And, will not suddenly disappear yet next year will be better. Funny how these negative issues are factors during the bad seasons, but not so much in others? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 25, 2024 12:57:50 GMT -8
I'd rather keep sucking on that Pac-12 teet at the expense of duplicitous a**holes like the leg humpers and slug eaters, than bend over and take it without vaseline, like hole and others did to join another conference. So, as others have eluded to, given your timing and post history, why are you here? At least Greene was/ is respectful, and doesn't hide who he is, and who he supports. We did not sign up for this - it is the hand we were dealt by a bunch of Brutus's. Childish. Take responsibility We're in this lot because of our own doing and nothing else, and if the shoe were on the other foot you'd have no sympathy for the situation we're in with WSU. Wow - look who woke up from their nap. As Henry eluded to - please do share. What did OSU/ WSU do to be in this position?
So let me get this straight - you are in a steady relationship, you see a smokin' hot babe you want to be with, just because you are selfish and self centered, and you leave your current gf. And, as she is in shock, trying to process what just went wrong, you say "stop being childish, and take responsibility for the situation". You must be a barrel of laughs to be in a relationship with. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 25, 2024 13:03:39 GMT -8
Colorado and Oregon earned us $5 million. Thanks guys. Three units left for Arizona to earn for us before the Pac-12 men's basketball closes up shop. Hopefully Arizona doesn’t win the whole thing. That would cause Wilky to claim we’re National Champs since we beat them. Tinkle came close to a National Championship in 2024…. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 25, 2024 13:21:09 GMT -8
Each of the last 7 national champions have been older than Oregon State and 9 of the last 10. 11 national champions ago is the Kentucky team referenced, filled with one-and-doners. Youth does beat age all the time. But it tends to be teams that have exorbitantly high budgets, who are able to line the bench with a bunch of one-and-done diaper dandies. It is implausible that that will ever be Oregon State in the Pac-12. 2021-22 was wretched. Oregon State needed to build out of that. And the Beavs have still not built out. But progress appears to have been made. If the team sticks together, I expect great things next year. I'd be more open minded if I actually saw the kind of progress this year that you seem to think occurred. I mean it just seems like more of the same: Bad conference record again, horrible road record again and one and done in the conf tourney again. And it wasn't like the conference was getting 5-6 at large bids like they have in other years. So there were some conference wins for the taking that we still couldn't get. Could the team be much better next year? Not without at least 1-2 key additions imho. |
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