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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 18, 2024 6:01:14 GMT -8
Four more games. The WHIP went up to 1.36. 2020 ended after 14 games but with a WHIP of 0.83 over the final two games to finish 2020 with a lower WHIP than 2024, 1.28. 2006, 2015, and 2016 had higher WHIPs after 12 games but passed 2024 over the last four games. For those playing at home, only 2008, 2009, and 2012 posted higher WHIPs after 16 games. The 2024 Beavs now have the fourth-worst WHIP after 16 games in the past 20 seasons. Three more games. The weekend WHIP was 1.69. The 2024 total season WHIP went up to 1.41. 2009 had a higher WHIP after 16 games but now has a lower WHIP after 19 games. 2009 posted a .89 WHIP over games 17-19. For those playing at home, only 2008 and 2012 posted higher WHIPS after 19 games. The 2024 Beavs now have the third-worst WHIP after 19 games in the past 20 seasons. Not sure how useful comparing WHIP is to previous seasons. The game has changed substantially even since 2018 with more power hitting which tends to mean more pitching out of the zone. Pitching to contact has gotten significantly more dangerous and difficult. For instance this season the best WHIP in baseball was Texas A&M 1.00 and we are top 50 with 1.36 (which is a terrible WHIP traditionally). Maybe a better way would be % deviation off average or top 100 average for a season or something. |
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Post by badwack on Mar 18, 2024 6:33:45 GMT -8
Watching the streaming it was impossible to really see any pitch. What you could see was Utah being able to hit the ball hard in all directions. Now what were we doing? Hanging all those pitches? Also, you would think we would have tried to stop the obvious momentum and the bleeding much earlier.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 18, 2024 6:58:35 GMT -8
Watching the streaming it was impossible to really see any pitch. What you could see was Utah being able to hit the ball hard in all directions. Now what were we doing? Hanging all those pitches? Also, you would think we would have tried to stop the obvious momentum and the bleeding much earlier. I saw two issues. 1) Fatigue, the guys were dropping off their velocity and control much earlier in the pitch count. 2) Breaking stuff didn't have a lot of bite. This is likely just not being familiar with the thin air. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 18, 2024 17:42:41 GMT -8
Three more games. The weekend WHIP was 1.69. The 2024 total season WHIP went up to 1.41. 2009 had a higher WHIP after 16 games but now has a lower WHIP after 19 games. 2009 posted a .89 WHIP over games 17-19. For those playing at home, only 2008 and 2012 posted higher WHIPS after 19 games. The 2024 Beavs now have the third-worst WHIP after 19 games in the past 20 seasons. Not sure how useful comparing WHIP is to previous seasons. The game has changed substantially even since 2018 with more power hitting which tends to mean more pitching out of the zone. Pitching to contact has gotten significantly more dangerous and difficult. For instance this season the best WHIP in baseball was Texas A&M 1.00 and we are top 50 with 1.36 (which is a terrible WHIP traditionally). Maybe a better way would be % deviation off average or top 100 average for a season or something. Runs allowed after 19 games: 2005 54
2006 80
2007 61
2008 133
2009 83
2010 61
2011 52
2012 107
2013 43
2014 55
2015 69
2016 72
2017 28
2018 61
2019 61
2021 58
2022 74
2023 74
2024 84
You are trying to avoid the other team scoring. WHIP is a decent tool to measure how well you are doing it through pitching but a less helpful metric than pure runs.
Oregon State has allowed the third-most runs after 19 games in the past 20 seasons, which indicates that the WHIP numbers are not wrong painting an incorrect picture.
You can see that 2024 Oregon State is not that far off of 2006 Oregon State, but 2006 Oregon State started 12-7 with two series losses and one idiotic split plus a neutral loss to Gonzaga and a loss at Davis. The Beavs then went 27-7 to finish the regular season. Even with 14 losses, though, Oregon State did not get a National Seed, needing Stanford to upset Texas to host the 2006 Corvallis Super Regional.
The hitting is covering up bad pitching numbers, but the pitching has been pretty bad. Hopefully, May comes back. That takes an immense amount of pressure off of everyone. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 18, 2024 19:49:25 GMT -8
Not sure how useful comparing WHIP is to previous seasons. The game has changed substantially even since 2018 with more power hitting which tends to mean more pitching out of the zone. Pitching to contact has gotten significantly more dangerous and difficult. For instance this season the best WHIP in baseball was Texas A&M 1.00 and we are top 50 with 1.36 (which is a terrible WHIP traditionally). Maybe a better way would be % deviation off average or top 100 average for a season or something. Runs allowed after 19 games: 2005 54
2006 80
2007 61
2008 133
2009 83
2010 61
2011 52
2012 107
2013 43
2014 55
2015 69
2016 72
2017 28
2018 61
2019 61
2021 58
2022 74
2023 74
2024 84
You are trying to avoid the other team scoring. WHIP is a decent tool to measure how well you are doing it through pitching but a less helpful metric than pure runs.
Oregon State has allowed the third-most runs after 19 games in the past 20 seasons, which indicates that the WHIP numbers are not wrong painting an incorrect picture.
You can see that 2024 Oregon State is not that far off of 2006 Oregon State, but 2006 Oregon State started 12-7 with two series losses and one idiotic split plus a neutral loss to Gonzaga and a loss at Davis. The Beavs then went 27-7 to finish the regular season. Even with 14 losses, though, Oregon State did not get a National Seed, needing Stanford to upset Texas to host the 2006 Corvallis Super Regional.
The hitting is covering up bad pitching numbers, but the pitching has been pretty bad. Hopefully, May comes back. That takes an immense amount of pressure off of everyone. More saying it might be a college baseball wide issue than just the beavs. It would make sense to compare based on standard deviations off some average of all teams by year than year to year against past beaver teams. The teams all playing under the same trends, equipment and rules have more.in common with each other than past teams to current of a singular team. I'd do it but I'm not sure where to get the data. |
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Post by messi on Mar 20, 2024 6:19:21 GMT -8
Portland 1
Mejia 6-9
Reynolds 7-9
Mundt 0-6
Talavs 0-10
Ferguson 0-8
Total 13-42 30%
So far this season, the percentages of plate appearances that have 3 ball counts for every pitcher thus far is
Ferguson 23%
Holmes 7%
Hunter 21%
Hutcheson 23%
Keljo 18%
Kmatz 23%
Lattery 27%
Lawson 29%
May 18%
Mejia 29%
Montgomery 10%
Morrell 23%
Mundt 17%
Oakes 36%
Reynolds 57%
Scott 44%
Segura 9%
Talavs 17%
As a team, the Beavs are encountering 23% of plate appearances going to a 3 ball count
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Post by messi on Mar 22, 2024 21:36:13 GMT -8
Washington 1
May 1-11
Keljo 4-8
Oakes 0-8
Holmes 4-8
Total 9-35 25%
So far this season, the percentages of plate appearances that have 3 ball counts for every pitcher thus far is
Ferguson 23%
Holmes 14%
Hunter 21%
Hutcheson 23%
Keljo 21%
Kmatz 23%
Lattery 27%
Lawson 29%
May 15%
Mejia 29%
Montgomery 10%
Morrell 23%
Mundt 17%
Oakes 25%
Reynolds 57%
Scott 44%
Segura 9%
Talavs 17%
As a team, the Beavs are encountering 22% of plate appearances going to a 3 ball count
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Post by messi on Mar 23, 2024 21:38:46 GMT -8
Washington 2
Kmatz 1-22
Hunter 0-9
Total 1-31 3%
So far this season, the percentages of plate appearances that have 3 ball counts for every pitcher thus far is
Ferguson 23%
Holmes 14%
Hunter 19%
Hutcheson 23%
Keljo 21%
Kmatz 20%
Lattery 27%
Lawson 29%
May 15%
Mejia 29%
Montgomery 10%
Morrell 23%
Mundt 17%
Oakes 25%
Reynolds 57%
Scott 44%
Segura 9%
Talavs 17%
As a team, the Beavs are encountering 21% of plate appearances going to a 3 ball count
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Post by bvogrande on Mar 23, 2024 22:32:08 GMT -8
I love this running stat, Messi! Maybe I missed it somewhere, but by comparison, how did our best pitching staffs in a given year tally in this department?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 24, 2024 10:55:09 GMT -8
Wins... awesome. But, judging pitching vs UW is not really an objective look as to quality or some type of improvement, other than throwing lots of strikes.
UW is and most likely will be dead last in hitting this season. Last I looked they were some 20 points below 10th overall, and like 60 in conference play.
UW may be one of the worst offensive teams the Beavers see all season?!
Who ever steps on the mound will not get hit consistently against this group.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 24, 2024 11:09:34 GMT -8
Lack of free passes is good against great offense and crap ones.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2024 12:55:32 GMT -8
Wins... awesome. But, judging pitching vs UW is not really an objective look as to quality or some type of improvement, other than throwing lots of strikes. UW is and most likely will be dead last in hitting this season. Last I looked they were some 20 points below 10th overall, and like 60 in conference play. UW may be one of the worst offensive teams the Beavers see all season?! Who ever steps on the mound will not get hit consistently against this group. Oregon State has three games against Gonzaga on the schedule that desperately need to rain out. But yes, Washington appears to be the worst offensive team on the schedule other than Gonzaga. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 24, 2024 13:34:03 GMT -8
The only loaded offense in the Pac this year is Oregon St.
Washington is the worst, but when other top offenses are named Washington St, Cal, Oregon, Arizona St, etc.
I'm not sure our pitching staff should be trembling.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2024 14:08:32 GMT -8
The only loaded offense in the Pac this year is Oregon St. Washington is the worst, but when other top offenses are named Washington St, Cal, Oregon, Arizona St, etc. I'm not sure our pitching staff should be trembling. Wazzu is averaging six runs/game in Pullman and almost as many on the road. Oregon State dropped the series against Wazzu last year in Corvallis. And Oregon State has to go up to Pullman this year. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 24, 2024 14:11:46 GMT -8
The only loaded offense in the Pac this year is Oregon St. Washington is the worst, but when other top offenses are named Washington St, Cal, Oregon, Arizona St, etc. I'm not sure our pitching staff should be trembling. Wazzu is averaging six runs/game in Pullman and almost as many on the road. Oregon State dropped the series against Wazzu last year in Corvallis. And Oregon State has to go up to Pullman this year. Cougs are decent and I won't be overlooking them.(Neither will our team, after last year.) |
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