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Post by beavaristotle on Jan 25, 2024 10:22:38 GMT -8
I say WCC. I can’t see big time programs wanting to spend their bye week traveling to Corvallis, not be able to rest their pitchers. Seems like independence is going to lead to a lot of mid week games against lesser opponents and the top level opponents being road games. What say you
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2024 10:45:11 GMT -8
I like us competing for conference championships. We can get to Omaha from the WCC.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 25, 2024 11:31:38 GMT -8
Whatever allows our program to continue the recruiting level we are currently at......trips to Omaha don't hurt for recruiting, that's for sure
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Post by messi on Jan 25, 2024 14:07:05 GMT -8
Who's to say that Oregon State and Washington State couldn't make the WCC better? Of course this depends on what happens to the ACC in the next two years.
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Post by Bodhisattva on Jan 25, 2024 14:28:17 GMT -8
If you go WCC, you can forget about getting a national seed unless you virtually go undefeated in league play. You would have to play a ton of high quality appointments for mid-week games and preseason games. Pac-12 already had a disadvantage with RPI, going the WCC route would put it on life support. People won't want to schedule you because even though you are a great team, your RPI is low so there is no advantage to playing you and can only hurt.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 25, 2024 14:38:16 GMT -8
I'm concerned we lose our recruiting momentum in the WCC. Top level kids want top level competition.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 25, 2024 15:30:13 GMT -8
If you go WCC, you can forget about getting a national seed unless you virtually go undefeated in league play. You would have to play a ton of high quality appointments for mid-week games and preseason games. Pac-12 already had a disadvantage with RPI, going the WCC route would put it on life support. People won't want to schedule you because even though you are a great team, your RPI is low so there is no advantage to playing you and can only hurt. The West Coast Conference would have 11 teams with Oregon State and Wazzu, be just like the Pac-12. You have an 11-week West Coast Conference schedule, one of those 11 weeks a bye. Malibu, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Clara, Spokane, Stockton, and Westchester are not terrible places to play ball. The West Coast Conference Tournament is in Las Vegas Ballpark, home of the PCL's Aviators. Usually about a billion times better than Scottsdale Stadium at that time of the year. The top two teams in the West Coast Conference get byes. Not a terrible spot to land. TCU hosted three consecutive Fort Worth Regionals out of the Mountain West. 15-5, 19-5, and 20-3 in the Mountain West. The Frogs only won the Mountain West Conference Tournament once in the 19-5 year. You cannot tell me that Oregon State could not go 23-7 or 24-6 in the West Coast Conference. Hit 23-7 in the West Coast Conference, and Corvallis would be a surefire host site, unless the Beavs just get clobbered in nonconference play. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 25, 2024 17:07:17 GMT -8
The issue in 2025 is that Oregon State will not be able to play any team in the Big 12 or SEC over the final 10 weeks of the baseball schedule. Almost all of the ACC teams play a nonconference series in late April or early May. (Maybe Oregon State plays Cal or Stanford, and Wazzu plays the other? And then Oregon State and Wazzu play another ACC team on the other weekend.) So, you may be able to schedule two series against ACC teams in that period. Otherwise, expect the ACC to be completely booked. The Big Ten will have openings from time-to-time, but Oregon State and Wazzu will be fighting to schedule those teams. It is hard to figure out how to make a schedule out of Big Ten teams, especially before the Big Ten releases their schedule. Oregon State can only probably count on scheduling Oregon one weekend and otherwise play some mid-week games. Oregon State and Washington State can maybe count on divvying up the 11 Big West byes, minus the weeks that UCLA and USC have byes.
Otherwise, you are looking at divvying up Mountain West, WAC, and WCC teams on bye with Wazzu.
Maybe two weekend series with Wazzu. One probably at the season's end. The other, when neither Oregon State nor Wazzu can schedule anything.
I don't know. Maybe that works out better than just joining the WCC. I don't know.
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Post by richard44 on Jan 25, 2024 17:38:52 GMT -8
WCC isn’t happening in baseball folks. Not now, not in two years.
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Post by richard44 on Jan 25, 2024 20:37:06 GMT -8
If you go WCC, you can forget about getting a national seed unless you virtually go undefeated in league play. You would have to play a ton of high quality appointments for mid-week games and preseason games. Pac-12 already had a disadvantage with RPI, going the WCC route would put it on life support. People won't want to schedule you because even though you are a great team, your RPI is low so there is no advantage to playing you and can only hurt. Exactly. Not to mention you will never get the Madrigal, Turley, Rutchman, Abel, Caraway level of recruit again if we go to the WCC. Even with our history and prestige. And ask yourself this, if you were a baseball coach or the AD, would you put your name down and sign off to go the WCC in our most prestigious and highest performing sport? To me, you would have to be nuts to do that unless that was the ONLY option left. We are arguably the top baseball program in the country over the last 20 years (only team with three national titles in that timeframe). I can tell you right now that Canham, his staff, and Barnes, even though they won’t say it publicly, will fight tooth and nail behind the scenes to avoid being relegated to a lesser conference in baseball. It would very possibly kill the best sport this University has ever produced. Think of it this way, even though it’s not a great analogy, if you were a football program that has won three national titles in the last 20 years, you are recruiting at an elite level year in and year out, you are currently projected to compete for yet another national title this year, and you are regarded by most as one of the top 2 to 3 programs of this century, would you move to Conference USA or the Mountain West in our situation? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 20:59:36 GMT -8
Lol... football vs baseball.
If we were a football program with those titles there would be no conversation as we'd be in a conference.
Baseball doesn't run the show. Never will. Whatever makes financial sense for the program and others to exist will happen.
If you want to make an analogy to football, how about... all the nay sayers on the football board about getting a decent coach, recruiting, a mass exodus, who's going to want to be here... all wrong.
The "sky is falling" predictions are not only unnecessary, but pure unproven speculation.
You don't have any idea what players would have done in the past... that's just made up biss to support a made up premise. In fact I'm pretty sure PC would have built a national program no matter the conference. The North division wasn't exactly seen as a powerhouse when he began.
Nor do you or I have any idea what the future is. Nor what adding an upper tier program to the a WCC will do... to the WCC or OSU. So, since fans have no say and OSU admin will do what they think is best, why be prematurely negative by making up conclusions? Especially when it might be a option that happens, like it or not.
Curious... if the WCC thing happens are you going to simply write off OSU baseball?
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Post by richard44 on Jan 25, 2024 21:42:33 GMT -8
Lol... football vs baseball. If we were a football program with those titles there would be no conversation as we'd be in a conference. Baseball doesn't run the show. Never will. Whatever makes financial sense for the program and others to exist will happen. If you want to make an analogy to football, how about... all the nay sayers on the football board about getting a decent coach, recruiting, a mass exodus, who's going to want to be here... all wrong. The "sky is falling" predictions are not only unnecessary, but pure unproven speculation. You don't have any idea what players would have done in the past... that's just made up biss to support a made up premise. In fact I'm pretty sure PC would have built a national program no matter the conference. The North division wasn't exactly seen as a powerhouse when he began. Nor do you or I have any idea what the future is. Nor what adding an upper tier program to the a WCC will do... to the WCC or OSU. So, since fans have no say and OSU admin will do what they think is best, why be prematurely negative by making up conclusions? Especially when it might be a option that happens, like it or not. Curious... if the WCC thing happens are you going to simply write off OSU baseball? No. I won’t write off Beaver baseball. I’m a huge Beaver baseball fan, an alumni from the university, and I know sports. Could we go to the WCC in baseball? Sure, it’s “possible.” But I just see the powers at be doing everything they can to avoid it. I know I would if I had a say in it. I’m not a naysayer or “negative” about OSU baseball. Quite the opposite really. I’m an optimist and I’ve got a ton of pride in our baseball program. I believe we are better than being relegated to the WCC, and I believe that strongly. As a fan who watches every single game, follows the program closely, and attends as many games as I can, I desire that our baseball program stays in the national limelight, stays relevant on a national stage, and competes against the best competition they can in the country. I think the coaches and players over the last twenty years have earned the program that privilege. Let me ask you this. If the coaches and AD wanted our baseball program in the WCC, why didn’t they agree to it along with basketball and the other sports? The answer is because they know we are better than that and have earned better than that. I’m telling you, the coaches want nothing to do with the WCC. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 22:03:48 GMT -8
Lol... football vs baseball. If we were a football program with those titles there would be no conversation as we'd be in a conference. Baseball doesn't run the show. Never will. Whatever makes financial sense for the program and others to exist will happen. If you want to make an analogy to football, how about... all the nay sayers on the football board about getting a decent coach, recruiting, a mass exodus, who's going to want to be here... all wrong. The "sky is falling" predictions are not only unnecessary, but pure unproven speculation. You don't have any idea what players would have done in the past... that's just made up biss to support a made up premise. In fact I'm pretty sure PC would have built a national program no matter the conference. The North division wasn't exactly seen as a powerhouse when he began. Nor do you or I have any idea what the future is. Nor what adding an upper tier program to the a WCC will do... to the WCC or OSU. So, since fans have no say and OSU admin will do what they think is best, why be prematurely negative by making up conclusions? Especially when it might be a option that happens, like it or not. Curious... if the WCC thing happens are you going to simply write off OSU baseball? No. I won’t write off Beaver baseball. I’m a huge Beaver baseball fan, an alumni from the university, and I know sports. Could we go to the WCC in baseball? Sure, it’s “possible.” But I just see the powers at be doing everything they can to avoid it. I know I would if I had a say in it. I’m not a naysayer or “negative” about OSU baseball. Quite the opposite really. I’m an optimist and I’ve got a ton of pride in our baseball program. I believe we are better than being relegated to the WCC, and I believe that strongly. As a fan who watches every single game, follows the program closely, and attends as many games as I can, I desire that our baseball program stays in the national limelight, stays relevant on a national stage, and competes against the best competition they can in the country. I think the coaches and players over the last twenty years have earned the program that privilege. Let me ask you this. If the coaches and AD wanted our baseball program in the WCC, why didn’t they agree to it along with basketball and the other sports? The answer is because they know we are better than that and have earned better than that. I’m telling you, the coaches want nothing to do with the WCC. OSU is not making conference commitments in any sport. They're being patient as has been mentioned numerous times. |
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Post by richard44 on Jan 25, 2024 22:16:36 GMT -8
No. I won’t write off Beaver baseball. I’m a huge Beaver baseball fan, an alumni from the university, and I know sports. Could we go to the WCC in baseball? Sure, it’s “possible.” But I just see the powers at be doing everything they can to avoid it. I know I would if I had a say in it. I’m not a naysayer or “negative” about OSU baseball. Quite the opposite really. I’m an optimist and I’ve got a ton of pride in our baseball program. I believe we are better than being relegated to the WCC, and I believe that strongly. As a fan who watches every single game, follows the program closely, and attends as many games as I can, I desire that our baseball program stays in the national limelight, stays relevant on a national stage, and competes against the best competition they can in the country. I think the coaches and players over the last twenty years have earned the program that privilege. Let me ask you this. If the coaches and AD wanted our baseball program in the WCC, why didn’t they agree to it along with basketball and the other sports? The answer is because they know we are better than that and have earned better than that. I’m telling you, the coaches want nothing to do with the WCC. OSU is not making conference commitments in any sport. They're being patient as has been mentioned numerous times. Oregon state joined the WCC back in December for 12 sports on a two year contract. They declined to join in baseball at the time citing that they are leaning toward going independent in baseball for the next two seasons. Either way, rgeorge, go Beavs. Whatever happens, happens, and it is what it is. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 22:20:59 GMT -8
OSU is not making conference commitments in any sport. They're being patient as has been mentioned numerous times. Oregon state joined the WCC back in December for 12 sports on a two year contract. They declined to join in baseball at the time citing that they are leaning toward going independent in baseball for the next two seasons. Either way, rgeorge, go Beavs. Whatever happens, happens, and it is what it is. They didn't "join". They are affiliated members. No TV money, no say in conference decisions, etc. |
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