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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 27, 2024 20:38:20 GMT -8
So do those on here who were for the WCC affiliation in baseball still think it was the way to go, even though OSU decided it wasnt the way to go? So, Wazzu thinks that it is the way to go, and now Oregon State cannot play Wazzu over the final nine weeks of the regular season? The fact that we can only get an at large berth? You are walking on a tightrope with no net here. There may be upside, but there seems to me to be a ton more potential downside. With all due respect, I don't think wazzu's prerogative in baseball should mean anything to us. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 27, 2024 21:02:51 GMT -8
Should Oregon State affiliate with the WCC? Time to break out the ancient (and lame) wisdom. "Guilt by association" "You will play to the level of your competition" "Never punch below your weight" Yet in '23... - NC SOS was 174; - overall 9th in the Pac12, and 61st nationally; - 25 games vs Q3 or Q4 teams; Is a year or two in the WCC winning auto berths going to be much worse when... - there are guaranteed home schedule/revenue; - ability to schedule high level competition; - only need to try to fit in 26 games; So is OSU going to find 36+ (36 is the low in the last several seasons) Q1/Q2 games? How many will require a travel budget we don't have? Again... completely unknown at this point. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 27, 2024 22:39:48 GMT -8
To paraphrase the old adage. We have a bird in the hand. Why chase two in the bush?
A guaranteed 30 game schedule, where you do not have to leave California, Oregon, and Washington. And the alternative is?
We'll see.
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Post by easyheat on Jan 27, 2024 23:41:26 GMT -8
Granted, the decision to play in the WCC for two years might look attractive from a scheduling standpoint... but is it the right call? Having a full Conference schedule on your plate would certainly eliminate many of the unknowns that come with assembling a 56 game schedule as an "Independent". There is that.
Scheduling would be one perspective that appears favorable. But is it? There could be unfavorable consequences, competing at a lower level of competition isn't really the way to prepare your teams to find their way to Omaha.
If you have NC aspirations, and we do, then playing a steady diet of WCC teams probably won't give you the edge and RPI you'll need to participate in the CWS. Pitching might be one example, will OSU hitters see anything remotely comparable to what they will face in Omaha? Same with our pitchers, will WCC hitters prepare them for what they will face in Omaha?
An important part of OSU recruiting, and you hear players and recruits allude to it frequently. . . "I want to compete for National Championships". Elite athletes want to compete against the best. I'm not certain our coaches are thrilled with the possibility of playing USF and St. Mary's in an empty ballpark either.
Some other consequences of a WCC affiliation might include some recruiting difficulty, and increased out-flow in the transfer portal. Bottom line, it would exact a toll on the OSU program and neither Canham or Barnes will allow that.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 28, 2024 0:13:22 GMT -8
Granted, the decision to play in the WCC for two years might look attractive from a scheduling standpoint... but is it the right call? Having a full Conference schedule on your plate would certainly eliminate many of the unknowns that come with assembling a 56 game schedule as an "Independent". There is that. Scheduling would be one perspective that appears favorable. But is it? There could be unfavorable consequences, competing at a lower level of competition isn't really the way to prepare your teams to find their way to Omaha. If you have NC aspirations, and we do, then playing a steady diet of WCC teams probably won't give you the edge and RPI you'll need to participate in the CWS. Pitching might be one example, will OSU hitters see anything remotely comparable to what they will face in Omaha? Same with our pitchers, will WCC hitters prepare them for what they will face in Omaha? An important part of OSU recruiting, and you hear players and recruits allude to it frequently. . . "I want to compete for National Championships". Elite athletes want to compete against the best. I'm not certain our coaches are thrilled with the possibility of playing USF and St. Mary's in an empty ballpark either. Some other consequences of a WCC affiliation might include some recruiting difficulty, and increased out-flow in the transfer portal. Bottom line, it would exact a toll on the OSU program and neither Canham or Barnes will allow that. The talk of acceptance. You could choose to accept that a train is coming, while you stand on the railroad tracks, or not. Like it or not, the train is going to roll over that spot, whether you accept it or not. Oregon State baseball got dealt a terrible hand. We can try and bluff our way out of this one and hope for the best, but it seems to me that our play is to fold and wait the two years for the next hand to be dealt. But Barnesy and Mitch Slick probably know better than me. I could be dead wrong, but stuff like this worries me. |
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Post by Bodhisattva on Jan 28, 2024 8:03:36 GMT -8
I don't think they would have agreed to go the independent route if they didn't have assurances they could schedule at a high level.
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Post by richard44 on Jan 28, 2024 8:25:04 GMT -8
I don't think they would have agreed to go the independent route if they didn't have assurances they could schedule at a high level. Agreed. I guarantee if they felt the WCC was a better option, they would have done it. To me, it’s clear they feel very comfortable making a legitimate independent schedule, and feel confident in selling recruits on it. Barnes and Canham have now said that multiple times on different occasions over the last month. It says a lot to me that they aren’t “settling” when it comes to our baseball program. Our coaches and players have earned the privilege of being a national powerhouse, and with that being said, we shouldn’t feel pressured or forced into a super weak conference with all this. We are Oregon State Baseball, which means we can be bullish on this issue and do what is best for our program regardless of the stuff going on with realignment, even if it is unorthodox. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 28, 2024 12:34:35 GMT -8
I don't think they would have agreed to go the independent route if they didn't have assurances they could schedule at a high level. 💯 This... Not much to add, as a few of you guys have said exactly how I feel. I think Barnes, and Canham are intelligent guys. Barnes understands what we have RIGHT NOW. The program did not miss a beat from Casey, to Canham. How do you keep the program heading in the right direction without the Pac 12? We did not get an invite to power conference, which is where this program belongs. I applaud our leadership to not settle......the WCC, in baseball, is not a good fit for us, if we want to keep the program elite........and since RPI is so big in baseball, I'm pretty confident the discussions leading up to this decision were based on allowing our program to compete against programs that will help RPI, not kill it. That and recruiting has to be the most important aspects of this decision. WCC does not scream elite baseball recruiting......i think the mindset is keep this train rolling. I think Mitch is the man to make it happen. |
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Post by irimi on Jan 28, 2024 18:22:00 GMT -8
We are talking about Beaver baseball here, not football. I think finding teams that would like to play us will be easy. We have great fans and we play good ball.
Plus, you have to remember that the traitors aren’t going to enjoy flying across the country for a three game series just because the football team wanted to play at a higher level. I think we’ll end up scheduling with some of the traitors like usual. Probably six games with Hole.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 28, 2024 18:53:03 GMT -8
We are talking about Beaver baseball here, not football. I think finding teams that would like to play us will be easy. We have great fans and we play good ball. Plus, you have to remember that the traitors aren’t going to enjoy flying across the country for a three game series just because the football team wanted to play at a higher level. I think we’ll end up scheduling with some of the traitors like usual. Probably six games with Hole. Correct. Nor. Cal teams....spewgene team...Seattle team(s) maybe even So. Cal teams might welcome a West Coast non-conference series (on their non-conference weekend) ....that.... (unlike USF or other nearby teams) will not automatically lower their RPI, even if they win. I was encouraged that it has been reported that:
"the 2025 baseball schedule....a source with knowledge of the process told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the bulk of it, including most of the opponents, has taken shape." I trust Beaver Baseball to make this work. |
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Post by cake on Jan 28, 2024 19:03:21 GMT -8
We are talking about Beaver baseball here, not football. I think finding teams that would like to play us will be easy. We have great fans and we play good ball. Plus, you have to remember that the traitors aren’t going to enjoy flying across the country for a three game series just because the football team wanted to play at a higher level. I think we’ll end up scheduling with some of the traitors like usual. Probably six games with Hole. Correct. Nor. Cal teams....spewgene team...Seattle team(s) maybe even So. Cal teams might welcome a West Coast non-conference series (on their non-conference weekend) ....that.... (unlike USF or other nearby teams) will not automatically lower their RPI, even if they win. I was encouraged that it has been reported that:
"the 2025 baseball schedule....a source with knowledge of the process told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the bulk of it, including most of the opponents, has taken shape." I trust Beaver Baseball to make this work. That's good to hear. Only quasi related, they're revising the RPI formula to give more weight to true road games, does that start this year or next year? |
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Post by blackbug on Jan 29, 2024 15:45:25 GMT -8
To paraphrase the old adage. We have a bird in the hand. Why chase two in the bush? A guaranteed 30 game schedule, where you do not have to leave California, Oregon, and Washington. And the alternative is? We'll see. Problem is this is more like 1 bird in the hand and 5 in the bush in my opinion. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2024 17:04:35 GMT -8
To paraphrase the old adage. We have a bird in the hand. Why chase two in the bush? A guaranteed 30 game schedule, where you do not have to leave California, Oregon, and Washington. And the alternative is? We'll see. Problem is this is more like 1 bird in the hand and 5 in the bush in my opinion. That could very well be. |
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