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Post by richard44 on Jan 25, 2024 22:40:03 GMT -8
Oregon state joined the WCC back in December for 12 sports on a two year contract. They declined to join in baseball at the time citing that they are leaning toward going independent in baseball for the next two seasons. Either way, rgeorge, go Beavs. Whatever happens, happens, and it is what it is. They didn't "join". They are affiliated members. No TV money, no say in conference decisions, etc. Sounds good man. |
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Post by Bodhisattva on Jan 26, 2024 8:03:24 GMT -8
If you go WCC, you can forget about getting a national seed unless you virtually go undefeated in league play. You would have to play a ton of high quality appointments for mid-week games and preseason games. Pac-12 already had a disadvantage with RPI, going the WCC route would put it on life support. People won't want to schedule you because even though you are a great team, your RPI is low so there is no advantage to playing you and can only hurt. The West Coast Conference would have 11 teams with Oregon State and Wazzu, be just like the Pac-12. You have an 11-week West Coast Conference schedule, one of those 11 weeks a bye. Malibu, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Clara, Spokane, Stockton, and Westchester are not terrible places to play ball. The West Coast Conference Tournament is in Las Vegas Ballpark, home of the PCL's Aviators. Usually about a billion times better than Scottsdale Stadium at that time of the year. The top two teams in the West Coast Conference get byes. Not a terrible spot to land. TCU hosted three consecutive Fort Worth Regionals out of the Mountain West. 15-5, 19-5, and 20-3 in the Mountain West. The Frogs only won the Mountain West Conference Tournament once in the 19-5 year. You cannot tell me that Oregon State could not go 23-7 or 24-6 in the West Coast Conference. Hit 23-7 in the West Coast Conference, and Corvallis would be a surefire host site, unless the Beavs just get clobbered in nonconference play. Who cares about how nice it is to play in Malibu, SF, or Santa Clara. Their teams are basically RPI killers. The WCC was 18th in RPI in 2023. Their highest RPI team was 77. No Q1 teams, 1 Q2, 3 Q3, and 5 Q4. Of the Q4 (RPI 150 and below) the RPI's were 184, 193, 196, 198, 264, and 277. If you haven't noticed, RPI is everything for seeding. Last year they basically took the top 16 teams and gave them a 1 seed. OSU and WSU would definitely strengthen the RPI of the conference, but not enough. Going independent allows you to pick some of the better teams from all the conferences with open dates. UC Santa Barbara, Irvine, Fullerton, Long Beach, San Diego, Dallas Baptist, Grand Canyon, UW, UO, USC, UCLA. Our traitors that went to the Big10 will be begging to schedule us, because the Big10 is also an RPI killer although not even close to as bad as WCC. RPI is it, no matter how it negatively reflects the west coast, it still is the defining standard for the committee. If we had a mediocre team that doesn't have a chance at post season, then yes WCC is a viable option, but not when you are a national power that has eyes for Omaha. |
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Post by messi on Jan 26, 2024 9:06:26 GMT -8
The issue in 2025 is that Oregon State will not be able to play any team in the Big 12 or SEC over the final 10 weeks of the baseball schedule. Almost all of the ACC teams play a nonconference series in late April or early May. (Maybe Oregon State plays Cal or Stanford, and Wazzu plays the other? And then Oregon State and Wazzu play another ACC team on the other weekend.) So, you may be able to schedule two series against ACC teams in that period. Otherwise, expect the ACC to be completely booked. The Big Ten will have openings from time-to-time, but Oregon State and Wazzu will be fighting to schedule those teams. It is hard to figure out how to make a schedule out of Big Ten teams, especially before the Big Ten releases their schedule. Oregon State can only probably count on scheduling Oregon one weekend and otherwise play some mid-week games. Oregon State and Washington State can maybe count on divvying up the 11 Big West byes, minus the weeks that UCLA and USC have byes. Otherwise, you are looking at divvying up Mountain West, WAC, and WCC teams on bye with Wazzu. Maybe two weekend series with Wazzu. One probably at the season's end. The other, when neither Oregon State nor Wazzu can schedule anything. I don't know. Maybe that works out better than just joining the WCC. I don't know. I could see that working. It would require a lot of coordination and phone calls, but its possible. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 26, 2024 9:43:03 GMT -8
The issue in 2025 is that Oregon State will not be able to play any team in the Big 12 or SEC over the final 10 weeks of the baseball schedule. Almost all of the ACC teams play a nonconference series in late April or early May. (Maybe Oregon State plays Cal or Stanford, and Wazzu plays the other? And then Oregon State and Wazzu play another ACC team on the other weekend.) So, you may be able to schedule two series against ACC teams in that period. Otherwise, expect the ACC to be completely booked. The Big Ten will have openings from time-to-time, but Oregon State and Wazzu will be fighting to schedule those teams. It is hard to figure out how to make a schedule out of Big Ten teams, especially before the Big Ten releases their schedule. Oregon State can only probably count on scheduling Oregon one weekend and otherwise play some mid-week games. Oregon State and Washington State can maybe count on divvying up the 11 Big West byes, minus the weeks that UCLA and USC have byes. Otherwise, you are looking at divvying up Mountain West, WAC, and WCC teams on bye with Wazzu. Maybe two weekend series with Wazzu. One probably at the season's end. The other, when neither Oregon State nor Wazzu can schedule anything. I don't know. Maybe that works out better than just joining the WCC. I don't know. I could see that working. It would require a lot of coordination and phone calls, but its possible. This year's schedule has a partial 'step 1' in the needed direction, by scheduling Texas Tech (pre-season # 31), Arkansas (pre-season #3) and Oklahoma State amongst their opponents in the first 2 weeks of the season. Step 2 should be scheduling a far stronger field in Surprise to start the season in 2025. This years field for the so-called Sanderson Ford Classic is pathetic - though I'll attend excitedly and gladly. The other three teams in Surprise this year, finished last season at RPI: 243, 210, and 253. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 26, 2024 10:41:24 GMT -8
I could see that working. It would require a lot of coordination and phone calls, but its possible. This year's schedule has a partial 'step 1' in the needed direction, by scheduling Texas Tech (pre-season # 31), Arkansas (pre-season #3) and Oklahoma State amongst their opponents in the first 2 weeks of the season. Step 2 should be scheduling a far stronger field in Surprise to start the season in 2025. This years field for the so-called Sanderson Ford Classic is pathetic - though I'll attend excitedly and gladly. The other three teams in Surprise this year, finished last season at RPI: 243, 210, and 253.Your concern is merited but 2023's performance is no guarantee they will be equally bad this year. |
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Post by richard44 on Jan 26, 2024 10:53:59 GMT -8
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 26, 2024 11:13:31 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 26, 2024 11:58:17 GMT -8
This year's schedule has a partial 'step 1' in the needed direction, by scheduling Texas Tech (pre-season # 31), Arkansas (pre-season #3) and Oklahoma State amongst their opponents in the first 2 weeks of the season. Step 2 should be scheduling a far stronger field in Surprise to start the season in 2025. This years field for the so-called Sanderson Ford Classic is pathetic - though I'll attend excitedly and gladly. The other three teams in Surprise this year, finished last season at RPI: 243, 210, and 253.Your concern is merited but 2023's performance is no guarantee they will be equally bad this year. Nor did OSU "schedule" most of the Texas games. OSU was invited to the field. It'll be interesting to see the "who" and "where" of the '25 schedule. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Jan 26, 2024 12:27:21 GMT -8
Your concern is merited but 2023's performance is no guarantee they will be equally bad this year. Nor did OSU "schedule" most of the Texas games. OSU was invited to the field. It'll be interesting to see the "who" and "where" of the '25 schedule. more worried about the “where” than the “who” |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 26, 2024 16:43:47 GMT -8
The West Coast Conference would have 11 teams with Oregon State and Wazzu, be just like the Pac-12. You have an 11-week West Coast Conference schedule, one of those 11 weeks a bye. Malibu, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Clara, Spokane, Stockton, and Westchester are not terrible places to play ball. The West Coast Conference Tournament is in Las Vegas Ballpark, home of the PCL's Aviators. Usually about a billion times better than Scottsdale Stadium at that time of the year. The top two teams in the West Coast Conference get byes. Not a terrible spot to land. TCU hosted three consecutive Fort Worth Regionals out of the Mountain West. 15-5, 19-5, and 20-3 in the Mountain West. The Frogs only won the Mountain West Conference Tournament once in the 19-5 year. You cannot tell me that Oregon State could not go 23-7 or 24-6 in the West Coast Conference. Hit 23-7 in the West Coast Conference, and Corvallis would be a surefire host site, unless the Beavs just get clobbered in nonconference play. Who cares about how nice it is to play in Malibu, SF, or Santa Clara. Their teams are basically RPI killers. The WCC was 18th in RPI in 2023. Their highest RPI team was 77. No Q1 teams, 1 Q2, 3 Q3, and 5 Q4. Of the Q4 (RPI 150 and below) the RPI's were 184, 193, 196, 198, 264, and 277. If you haven't noticed, RPI is everything for seeding. Last year they basically took the top 16 teams and gave them a 1 seed. OSU and WSU would definitely strengthen the RPI of the conference, but not enough. Going independent allows you to pick some of the better teams from all the conferences with open dates. UC Santa Barbara, Irvine, Fullerton, Long Beach, San Diego, Dallas Baptist, Grand Canyon, UW, UO, USC, UCLA. Our traitors that went to the Big10 will be begging to schedule us, because the Big10 is also an RPI killer although not even close to as bad as WCC. RPI is it, no matter how it negatively reflects the west coast, it still is the defining standard for the committee. If we had a mediocre team that doesn't have a chance at post season, then yes WCC is a viable option, but not when you are a national power that has eyes for Omaha. Of course those RPIs would significantly improve by adding six conference games against us and WSU and eliminating six OOC games. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 27, 2024 17:23:06 GMT -8
So do those on here who were for the WCC affiliation in baseball still think it was the way to go, even though OSU decided it wasnt the way to go?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 27, 2024 19:18:57 GMT -8
So do those on here who were for the WCC affiliation in baseball still think it was the way to go, even though OSU decided it wasnt the way to go? So, Wazzu thinks that it is the way to go, and now Oregon State cannot play Wazzu over the final nine weeks of the regular season? The fact that we can only get an at large berth? You are walking on a tightrope with no net here. There may be upside, but there seems to me to be a ton more potential downside. |
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Post by richard44 on Jan 27, 2024 19:50:27 GMT -8
So do those on here who were for the WCC affiliation in baseball still think it was the way to go, even though OSU decided it wasnt the way to go? So, Wazzu thinks that it is the way to go, and now Oregon State cannot play Wazzu over the final nine weeks of the regular season? The fact that we can only get an at large berth? You are walking on a tightrope with no net here. There may be upside, but there seems to me to be a ton more potential downside. To me, that’s way less of a concern than being in a super weak conference and potentially losing out on top recruits and eventually our coaches. As long as we can keep a high level brand and recruit, the rest will take care of itself. Being OSU and being independent, you can claim we are elite, unique, and a top program in the country. That is hard to sell if you play in the WCC. You drop to a conference that weak and you run the risk of our program dropping off significantly. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 27, 2024 19:54:02 GMT -8
So, Wazzu thinks that it is the way to go, and now Oregon State cannot play Wazzu over the final nine weeks of the regular season? The fact that we can only get an at large berth? You are walking on a tightrope with no net here. There may be upside, but there seems to me to be a ton more potential downside. To me, that’s way less of a concern than being in a super weak conference and potentially losing out on top recruits and eventually our coaches. As long as we can keep a high level brand and recruit, the rest will take care of itself. Being OSU and being independent, you can claim we are elite, unique, and a top program in the country. That is hard to sell if you play in the WCC. You drop to a conference that weak and you run the risk of our program dropping off significantly. You risk the same going independent. No one knows, yet people pretend they do. We'll find out when an actual schedule is built and we see the opponents and home schedule. Neither choice is a known entity no matter how people want to spin it. |
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Post by easyheat on Jan 27, 2024 20:14:18 GMT -8
Should Oregon State affiliate with the WCC?
Time to break out the ancient (and lame) wisdom.
"Guilt by association"
"You will play to the level of your competition"
"Never punch below your weight"
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