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Post by 93beav on Nov 16, 2023 21:41:21 GMT -8
Angie brought up the whole "MWC is free in 2 years" thing. So many people keep saying this, I'm beginning to think it's real.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 16, 2023 22:27:32 GMT -8
Angie brought up the whole "MWC is free in 2 years" thing. So many people keep saying this, I'm beginning to think it's real. I think that everyone is going to try and buy time to game this as well as it can be gamed. Right now, the two conferences get two automatic berths into things like March Madness and the baseball regionals. I think that everyone is going to try and figure out, if they can keep both automatic berths, while basically joining together. They are only two teams short at this point, and it could be worth it in the long run to maintain both berths. |
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Post by sparty on Nov 17, 2023 6:46:30 GMT -8
Angie brought up the whole "MWC is free in 2 years" thing. So many people keep saying this, I'm beginning to think it's real. I think that everyone is going to try and buy time to game this as well as it can be gamed. Right now, the two conferences get two automatic berths into things like March Madness and the baseball regionals. I think that everyone is going to try and figure out, if they can keep both automatic berths, while basically joining together. They are only two teams short at this point, and it could be worth it in the long run to maintain both berths. MWC right now are excluding WSU and OSU from the automatic berths and their conference championships and they are not joining together until maybe in two years |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 17, 2023 9:31:49 GMT -8
I think that everyone is going to try and buy time to game this as well as it can be gamed. Right now, the two conferences get two automatic berths into things like March Madness and the baseball regionals. I think that everyone is going to try and figure out, if they can keep both automatic berths, while basically joining together. They are only two teams short at this point, and it could be worth it in the long run to maintain both berths. MWC right now are excluding WSU and OSU from the automatic berths and their conference championships and they are not joining together until maybe in two years Angie was totally wrong on the MWC exit fees going away in two years. Again. What a mess. |
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Post by 93beav on Nov 17, 2023 9:39:02 GMT -8
I think that everyone is going to try and buy time to game this as well as it can be gamed. Right now, the two conferences get two automatic berths into things like March Madness and the baseball regionals. I think that everyone is going to try and figure out, if they can keep both automatic berths, while basically joining together. They are only two teams short at this point, and it could be worth it in the long run to maintain both berths. MWC right now are excluding WSU and OSU from the automatic berths and their conference championships and they are not joining together until maybe in two years No, my point was around she is saying it is $0 to poach teams from the MWC in two years. Everyone keeps tying together their media deal with the buyouts, but I keep hearing the buyouts are actually in the MWC by-laws and not tied to a media contract. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 17, 2023 9:59:13 GMT -8
MWC right now are excluding WSU and OSU from the automatic berths and their conference championships and they are not joining together until maybe in two years No, my point was around she is saying it is $0 to poach teams from the MWC in two years. Everyone keeps tying together their media deal with the buyouts, but I keep hearing the buyouts are actually in the MWC by-laws and not tied to a media contract. The MWC exit fee is in the By-Laws. There will always be an exit fee, regardless of media deal, unless they vote to change the by-laws. Appendix 1-A Sections A and B second page s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/mountainwest.sidearmsports.com/documents/2020/8/5/Appendix_A_Bylaws_.pdf SDSU tried to play games with exit fees and got beat down by their commish. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 17, 2023 10:00:48 GMT -8
The Pac-2 will not receive an automatic berth to any NCAA tournament. You must have a minimum of six teams in a conference for the champion to automatically qualify for postseason play.
As long as the Pac-2 exists, any NCAA appearances we make in sports not fully affiliated with a conference (I expect wrestling to join the Big 12, and they qualify as individuals, not as a team) will be on an at-large basis.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 17, 2023 10:02:08 GMT -8
No, my point was around she is saying it is $0 to poach teams from the MWC in two years. Everyone keeps tying together their media deal with the buyouts, but I keep hearing the buyouts are actually in the MWC by-laws and not tied to a media contract. The Exit fee is in the By-Laws. There will always be an exit fee, regardless of media deal, unless they vote to change the by-laws. Appendix 1-A Sections A and B second page s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/mountainwest.sidearmsports.com/documents/2020/8/5/Appendix_A_Bylaws_.pdfOr unless 9 of 12 vote to disband. Which won't happen. Staying independent for two years is just needlessly delaying the inevitable. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 17, 2023 10:06:55 GMT -8
Or unless 9 of 12 vote to disband. Which won't happen. Staying independent for two years is just needlessly delaying the inevitable. Agree, although it might be 9 of 11 as I am not sure Hawaii is a full voting board member. |
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Post by sparty on Nov 17, 2023 10:54:45 GMT -8
Or unless 9 of 12 vote to disband. Which won't happen. Staying independent for two years is just needlessly delaying the inevitable. Henry, we are both thinking the same on this. |
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Post by matt90 on Nov 17, 2023 14:04:49 GMT -8
Or unless some schools give notice now that they will be leaving in two years, which would lower the buyout to $0 in two years.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 17, 2023 14:35:17 GMT -8
Or unless 9 of 12 vote to disband. Which won't happen. Staying independent for two years is just needlessly delaying the inevitable. I have to believe that Oregon State and Wazzu probably think that they can make more money by staying independent for two years rather than joining the Mountain West. I have to believe that nothing that Oregon State and Wazzu is "needless." Whether it actually benefits the opportunities for athletes at Oregon State and Wazzu is potentially a better debate to have. |
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Post by irimi on Nov 17, 2023 14:45:45 GMT -8
Or unless 9 of 12 vote to disband. Which won't happen. Staying independent for two years is just needlessly delaying the inevitable. I have to believe that Oregon State and Wazzu probably think that they can make more money by staying independent for two years rather than joining the Mountain West. I have to believe that nothing that Oregon State and Wazzu is "needless." Whether it actually benefits the opportunities for athletes at Oregon State and Wazzu is potentially a better debate to have. Agree. And I'm sure all of the options have been considered at great length. Each move is calculated and carefully planned.
Joining the MWC is just the easy way forward, and it doesn't put our student athletes in a position to play against the best. So it must only be used once all other options have failed.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 17, 2023 14:56:15 GMT -8
Or unless some schools give notice now that they will be leaving in two years, which would lower the buyout to $0 in two years. Other than apparently there is no $0 dollar option in the bylaws. I thought there was until I read the bylaws and a couple articles. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 17, 2023 14:58:40 GMT -8
I have to believe that Oregon State and Wazzu probably think that they can make more money by staying independent for two years rather than joining the Mountain West. I have to believe that nothing that Oregon State and Wazzu is "needless." Whether it actually benefits the opportunities for athletes at Oregon State and Wazzu is potentially a better debate to have. Agree. And I'm sure all of the options have been considered at great length. Each move is calculated and carefully planned.
Joining the MWC is just the easy way forward, and it doesn't put our student athletes in a position to play against the best. So it must only be used once all other options have failed.
Nobody's advocating joining the MWC. It has a very very low media deal. So low, the MWC doesn't want us to join them. Joining and merging are 2 completely different things. |
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