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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 16, 2023 15:24:33 GMT -8
So a real estate agent behind a paywall? She's been covering Oregon State for years. Ross Dellinger is not covering this from all angles. It's been obvious for a while now and he's still acting like the whole 6-6 to 5-7 is a done deal and has disregarded the fact that Shulz has a vote. Shulz will probably agree with the 5-7 vote IF it comes up, unless we've already rebuilt the conference and there are still 12 valid conferences, or he knows there will be other votes against it. It still gives the Beavers a shot, as there are no guaranteed slots, and the new Pac Whatever will likely be one of the strongest 5 conferences when it has been rebuilt. Gotta remember, he's supposedly a professional, he's got a vote on the board, and still has to work with everyone on that board. Being the only dissenting vote representing a "conference of 2" would go a long ways towards ruining his ability to work with the rest of the CFP board. |
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Post by grayman on Nov 16, 2023 15:26:57 GMT -8
She's been covering Oregon State for years. Ross Dellinger is not covering this from all angles. It's been obvious for a while now and he's still acting like the whole 6-6 to 5-7 is a done deal and has disregarded the fact that Shulz has a vote. Good to know but I have my doubts anyone has the total story right now True. Personally, I think that the Pac-2 doesn't want to agree to be penalized for poaching MWC teams in the future, which is what has been reported as being part of a potential scheduling agreement with the MWC. For the record, Machado quoted her source as saying "...an alliance is not the preferred plan going forward." So what actually happens is probably still up in the air. |
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Post by grayman on Nov 16, 2023 15:30:16 GMT -8
She's been covering Oregon State for years. Ross Dellinger is not covering this from all angles. It's been obvious for a while now and he's still acting like the whole 6-6 to 5-7 is a done deal and has disregarded the fact that Shulz has a vote. Shulz will probably agree with the 5-7 vote IF it comes up, unless we've already rebuilt the conference and there are still 12 valid conferences, or he knows there will be other votes against it. It still gives the Beavers a shot, as there are no guaranteed slots, and the new Pac Whatever will likely be one of the strongest 5 conferences when it has been rebuilt. Gotta remember, he's supposedly a professional, he's got a vote on the board, and still has to work with everyone on that board. Being the only dissenting vote representing a "conference of 2" would go a long ways towards ruining his ability to work with the rest of the CFP board. Yeah, my point was about how Dellenger has been reporting the situation. Shulz will no doubt vote depending (at least to a large extent) on how things work out for the Pac-2. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 16, 2023 15:44:25 GMT -8
Don’t believe everything you read… What he or anybody says about our situation or the process doesn't change my opinion. Some sort of MWC merger is our best option for the immediate and long-term future. The Pac-12 as we knew it is dead, nobody is coming back, nobody else wants us, and being in the same conference with programs halfway across the country when regional options exists is lunacy. As Smails says, other's mileage may vary. And that's just fine. I just have not seen any better, realistic options. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 16, 2023 15:46:52 GMT -8
Good to know but I have my doubts anyone has the total story right now True. Personally, I think that the Pac-2 doesn't want to agree to be penalized for poaching MWC teams in the future, which is what has been reported as being part of a potential scheduling agreement with the MWC. For the record, Machado quoted her source as saying "...an alliance is not the preferred plan going forward." So what actually happens is probably still up in the air. Yep up in the air although about 12 sources are reporting on the MWC scheduling being almost done now. MWC commish is a hard ass and I don't want to play chicken with her. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 16, 2023 15:49:18 GMT -8
Don’t believe everything you read… What he or anybody says about our situation or the process doesn't change my opinion. Some sort of MWC merger is our best option for the immediate and long-term future. The Pac-12 as we knew it is dead, nobody is coming back, nobody else wants us, and being in the same conference with programs halfway across the country when regional options exists is lunacy. As Smails says, other's mileage may vary. And that's just fine. I just have not seen any better, realistic options. I think the reverse merger is our best bet as well. Be able to, and actually qualify for the playoffs at any cost. This is the best way to position yourself for another p4 invite when the ACC falls apart. THE MWC reverse merger gives us that. Be irrelevant playing semi-independent for a couple of years for and you will fade into the background. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 16, 2023 15:53:58 GMT -8
I don't know why an SEC guy is weighing in on this. "are not expected" Translation: I have no idea what I am talking about, but I need to write a story for the clicks.
This guy broke several stories about SDSU and the MWC back when they wanted to go to the PAC 12. He obviousily has MWC connections. Obviousily! Dude went to Mississippi State. Up until 2018, he worked in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi his whole life other than a 17th-month stint in Missouri. He then moved to the Northeast to work as one of Sports Illustrated's "three full-time national college football writers," which shows you the depths that Sports Illustrated has descended. Dude is an SEC honk through and through. For some reason, he has been a Heisman voter for the past eight years, which shows you how big of a joke the Heisman is anymore. What articles? He has wrote nothing for Sports Illustrated on the Mountain West, possibly ever. He might have drafted up that not even Sports Illustrated would not publish once upon a time. But Dellenger should not be your go-to about Mountain West and Pac-12 negotiations. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 16, 2023 16:10:46 GMT -8
This guy broke several stories about SDSU and the MWC back when they wanted to go to the PAC 12. He obviousily has MWC connections. Obviousily! Dude went to Mississippi State. Up until 2018, he worked in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi his whole life other than a 17th-month stint in Missouri. He then moved to the Northeast to work as one of Sports Illustrated's "three full-time national college football writers," which shows you the depths that Sports Illustrated has descended. Dude is an SEC honk through and through. For some reason, he has been a Heisman voter for the past eight years, which shows you how big of a joke the Heisman is anymore. What articles? He has wrote nothing for Sports Illustrated on the Mountain West, possibly ever. He might have drafted up that not even Sports Illustrated would not publish once upon a time. But Dellenger should not be your go-to about Mountain West and Pac-12 negotiations. It isn't what I want to hear but multiple sources are all on the same page as He is. I guess time will tell and it won't be long from now |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 16, 2023 16:14:39 GMT -8
Obviousily! Dude went to Mississippi State. Up until 2018, he worked in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi his whole life other than a 17th-month stint in Missouri. He then moved to the Northeast to work as one of Sports Illustrated's "three full-time national college football writers," which shows you the depths that Sports Illustrated has descended. Dude is an SEC honk through and through. For some reason, he has been a Heisman voter for the past eight years, which shows you how big of a joke the Heisman is anymore. What articles? He has wrote nothing for Sports Illustrated on the Mountain West, possibly ever. He might have drafted up that not even Sports Illustrated would not publish once upon a time. But Dellenger should not be your go-to about Mountain West and Pac-12 negotiations. It isn't what I want to hear but multiple sources are all on the same page as He is. I guess time will tell and it won't be long from now LOL... I guess the bottom line is why diss on a guy or woman who knows more info than anyone on this board. There is no "right" until all the final i's are dotted and t's are crossed. |
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Post by qbeaver on Nov 16, 2023 17:37:49 GMT -8
Don’t believe everything you read… What he or anybody says about our situation or the process doesn't change my opinion. Some sort of MWC merger is our best option for the immediate and long-term future. The Pac-12 as we knew it is dead, nobody is coming back, nobody else wants us, and being in the same conference with programs halfway across the country when regional options exists is lunacy. As Smails says, other's mileage may vary. And that's just fine. I just have not seen any better, realistic options. Fully expecting a combination of Mountain west and other schools to be on the schedule. That doesn’t mean we are merging WSU/osu with the mountain west after two years. That would be a death knell for osu athletics. In two years,the whole model could blow up again,or most likely will blow up again. Look at how much change has happened in the last two years. Does anyone see the ACC still being the same in two years? I know they have a long term deal,but nothing is set in stone anymore. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 16, 2023 17:47:14 GMT -8
I sincerely doubt we have any sort of commitment to the MW (outside of an informal scheduling agreement) for at least two years. The plan is to try to schedule enough good teams interspersed with our already scheduled games (minus ISU?) and a handful of MW schools. That is the plan that most appeals to the players and coaches and is our best bet to keep things together and put together a solid recruiting class (including portal). If MW merger or reverse merger was the plan it would already be set. This is an "outside the box" operation
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Post by grayman on Nov 16, 2023 18:01:51 GMT -8
I sincerely doubt we have any sort of commitment to the MW (outside of an informal scheduling agreement) for at least two years. The plan is to try to schedule enough good teams interspersed with our already scheduled games (minus ISU?) and a handful of MW schools. That is the plan that most appeals to the players and coaches and is our best bet to keep things together and put together a solid recruiting class (including portal). If MW merger or reverse merger was the plan it would already be set. This is an "outside the box" operation Yes...and that is pretty much what Angie Machado is reporting. Anyone who is interested in what she has to say on the schedule and realignment, etc., should check out an interview she just did with 365 Sports on YouTube. It's definitely worth a watch. Machado |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 16, 2023 19:18:19 GMT -8
Yeah. Maybe check out what Angie Machado is saying about this. There's definitely some conflicting info. So a real estate agent behind a paywall? This whole thing is just a mess. LOL. Machado has been an OSU insider for the better part of 20 years. She owns Beaverblitz.com and has reported on beaver sports, recruiting etc for forever. I'd trust her over just about anybody else short of OSU reps themselves. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 16, 2023 20:59:04 GMT -8
Good to know but I have my doubts anyone has the total story right now True. Personally, I think that the Pac-2 doesn't want to agree to be penalized for poaching MWC teams in the future, which is what has been reported as being part of a potential scheduling agreement with the MWC. For the record, Machado quoted her source as saying "...an alliance is not the preferred plan going forward." So what actually happens is probably still up in the air. The Mountain West Conference was born out of the destruction of the Western Athletic Conference. In 1998, Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah and Wyoming, after conspiring secretly for months, announced their plan to abandon the WAC (and co-conference members UTEP, Hawaii, Fresno St, TCU, Rice, SMU, Tulsa and San Jose St) and create their own conference. Many teams were left on the outside looking in. That will likely happen in this round of alliance-shuffling. Just the way it goes. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 16, 2023 21:22:00 GMT -8
What he or anybody says about our situation or the process doesn't change my opinion. Some sort of MWC merger is our best option for the immediate and long-term future. The Pac-12 as we knew it is dead, nobody is coming back, nobody else wants us, and being in the same conference with programs halfway across the country when regional options exists is lunacy. As Smails says, other's mileage may vary. And that's just fine. I just have not seen any better, realistic options. Fully expecting a combination of Mountain west and other schools to be on the schedule. That doesn’t mean we are merging WSU/osu with the mountain west after two years. That would be a death knell for osu athletics. In two years,the whole model could blow up again,or most likely will blow up again. Look at how much change has happened in the last two years. Does anyone see the ACC still being the same in two years? I know they have a long term deal,but nothing is set in stone anymore. I doubt very much that anything is going to "blow up" in two years. USC and UCLA are getting full Big Ten shares, they certainly are staying put. Oregon and Washington won't receive maximum value from the Big Ten for quite some time, so they're not going anywhere. The same with Cal and Stanford in the ACC. Why would they leave before they at least get several years at max value, and they are bound to the league through 2036 through the GOR they signed. And the new Big 12 schools have no reason to leave, they are full partners. The "blow up the ACC" talk from FSU and Clemson has quieted because schools realize there isn't an alternative and it would cost them tens of millions in penalties to bail. The SEC seems very happy with 16. Funny how a reverse merger with the MWC would be a "death knell" for OSU and WSU, but the MWC programs seem to be doing just fine, and have for almost 25 years now. The original MWC was essentially the old WAC, before the ill-fated expansion to 16. UTEP of the original WAC was left out. The original MWC teams had played each other for decades, in the old Border and WAC conferences. |
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