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Post by bigorangebeaver on Nov 14, 2023 16:53:21 GMT -8
It is no assured thing an appeals court issues a stay here. Heads will explode if they decline to intervene. And, as several others have pointed out, there is now greater urgency with the losers to settle before that possibility occurs. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2023 17:08:58 GMT -8
I wonder if mediation might make more progress now, since the initial direction has been set. One can hope.... It sure will. Like the lawyers said at the beginning....With each side believing that they were right, neither was willing to capitulate. Now, the law is on our side. UW et al will realize that the deck is stacked against them. They'll want to cut their losses. In other words, they had to try. They lost. Now the real bargaining can begin. Any reasonable objective person watching that case has to see how poorly it went for UW. Any objective UW leader has to see how poorly it went and how publicly poorly it went. I know millions and millions are on the table here, but opportunity costs start piling up too. They really need to assess if this appeal will be worth it or if it will just get them back to square one with even more egg on their face |
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Post by ftd on Nov 14, 2023 17:11:08 GMT -8
So lets summarize the results
Judge ruled OSU and WSU are the voting board members
TRO still in place, but any board meetings will include the other 10. The assumption is they can't vote but can bring ideas, suggestion, etc
OSU/WSU can not act in a manner that harms the other 10 schools (like take al the money and say neener neener)
Ruling is on appeal until next Monday at noon
Did I miss anything or say anything incorrectly?
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 14, 2023 17:18:20 GMT -8
In a quick overview I believe I saw 6 of the 10 Appeals court judges have UW ties... undergrad or law school. All live in or near Seattle with ties to many community organizations.
UW will not settle until this court has spoken. I'm guessing this was known and planned for the entire time. UW was one of the lead culprits in the ESPN debacle and I'm sure nixed any mediation.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 14, 2023 17:26:33 GMT -8
UW's attorney sounded like a fool. I think it was because he had a foolish argument
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Post by hawksea on Nov 14, 2023 17:28:01 GMT -8
He also issued a temporary stay of that order until Friday to allow UW to seek appeals. So an appeals court now has until Friday to issue a continued stay, or decline the case. Yep, this was just round 1. Round 2 is coming up this week, and is even bigger. This will be in the court for years, but what matters is what behavior is allowed in the meantime. And that will be decided by the appeals court this week. The latest it will be in court is August 2nd, 2024, with regards to the board of directors decision. After that point, none of the 10 schools will be in the Pac-12 and they would have no shot at being on the board then. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2023 17:38:40 GMT -8
In a quick overview I believe I saw 6 of the 10 Appeals court judges have UW ties... undergrad or law school. All live in or near Seattle with ties to many community organizations. UW will not settle until this court has spoken. I'm guessing this was known and planned for the entire time. UW was one of the lead culprits in the ESPN debacle and I'm sure nixed any mediation. I think this would matter if the case was closer or there was more ambiguity. OSU blew them out of the water, it would be a MASSIVE stretch reverse the decision. Would a UW friendly court continue the stay and take the appeal? sure. But given what we saw today, I can't see how an outcome would change. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 14, 2023 17:40:12 GMT -8
So lets summarize the results Judge ruled OSU and WSU are the voting board members TRO still in place, but any board meetings will include the other 10. The assumption is they can't vote but can bring ideas, suggestion, etc OSU/WSU can not act in a manner that harms the other 10 schools (like take al the money and say neener neener) Ruling is on appeal until next Monday at noon Did I miss anything or say anything incorrectly? The hearing was easy to follow until after the judges ruling and the ensuing requests from all parties. Hopefully we'll get an official summary soon. |
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Post by ftd on Nov 14, 2023 17:50:13 GMT -8
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Post by Mike84 on Nov 14, 2023 18:03:52 GMT -8
Assuming there will be appeals after today, the Pac-2 should see it through to the end. Short term stuff will no doubt be difficult to deal with but it will be worth it in the long run. We don't have time to "see it through to the end". We need to know the Pac-12 assets and liabilities now. We need to know our standing in fhe CFP now. We need to know what can and will be done with the Pac-12 network and other workings of the Pac-12 now. We need to let our coaches and athletes know the path for the future NOW. The football transfer portal opens right after the CFP announcement in early December. It only stays open for 30 days, I believe. If we do not have a clear path forward and a clear idea of our budget for paying coaches by then, the players will have little choice but to put their names into the portal. They can't just let the 30 days go by and then find out that OSU has no conference, no games next season, and no budget to pay coaches. None of that is likely true, but the players can't assume the best and then find out the worst. They need to take care of themselves, and we (OSU) need to be able to give them hard facts ASAP...not after an appeals court and supreme court and everything else that could drag this out. The traitorous 10 knows this, of course. It seems to me that they are in no big hurry and will force OSU and WSU to negotiate from a position of weakness due to our very tight timeline. |
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Post by oldbeav on Nov 14, 2023 18:11:13 GMT -8
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Post by sparty on Nov 14, 2023 18:21:24 GMT -8
He also issued a temporary stay of that order until Friday to allow UW to seek appeals. So an appeals court now has until Friday to issue a continued stay, or decline the case. So this whole thing running across state lines couldn't someone like Colorado or Cal file some weird motion or jump in. Something seems way too easy or too simple that nothing additional happens. Based on following watching years of logging litigation across states. Apples and oranges but not too excited yet on the outcome.
Seems too easy.
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Post by grayman on Nov 14, 2023 18:23:11 GMT -8
Assuming there will be appeals after today, the Pac-2 should see it through to the end. Short term stuff will no doubt be difficult to deal with but it will be worth it in the long run. We don't have time to "see it through to the end". We need to know the Pac-12 assets and liabilities now. We need to know our standing in fhe CFP now. We need to know what can and will be done with the Pac-12 network and other workings of the Pac-12 now. We need to let our coaches and athletes know the path for the future NOW. The football transfer portal opens right after the CFP announcement in early December. It only stays open for 30 days, I believe. If we do not have a clear path forward and a clear idea of our budget for paying coaches by then, the players will have little choice but to put their names into the portal. They can't just let the 30 days go by and then find out that OSU has no conference, no games next season, and no budget to pay coaches. None of that is likely true, but the players can't assume the best and then find out the worst. They need to take care of themselves, and we (OSU) need to be able to give them hard facts ASAP...not after an appeals court and supreme court and everything else that could drag this out. The traitorous 10 knows this, of course. It seems to me that they are in no big hurry and will force OSU and WSU to negotiate from a position of weakness due to our very tight timeline. I should have said, "Assuming there's no settlement (reached by Monday) and there will be appeals...." If there's an acceptable settlement we can all move forward. If not, then we see it through. OSU and WSU did not take things this far just to crumble and allow some settlement that will be a net setback moving forward. The long game, if necessary, is much more important than giving up major ground to play the short game. |
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Post by sparty on Nov 14, 2023 18:30:01 GMT -8
Assuming there will be appeals after today, the Pac-2 should see it through to the end. Short term stuff will no doubt be difficult to deal with but it will be worth it in the long run. We don't have time to "see it through to the end". We need to know the Pac-12 assets and liabilities now. We need to know our standing in fhe CFP now. We need to know what can and will be done with the Pac-12 network and other workings of the Pac-12 now. We need to let our coaches and athletes know the path for the future NOW. The football transfer portal opens right after the CFP announcement in early December. It only stays open for 30 days, I believe. If we do not have a clear path forward and a clear idea of our budget for paying coaches by then, the players will have little choice but to put their names into the portal. They can't just let the 30 days go by and then find out that OSU has no conference, no games next season, and no budget to pay coaches. None of that is likely true, but the players can't assume the best and then find out the worst. They need to take care of themselves, and we (OSU) need to be able to give them hard facts ASAP...not after an appeals court and supreme court and everything else that could drag this out. The traitorous 10 knows this, of course. It seems to me that they are in no big hurry and will force OSU and WSU to negotiate from a position of weakness due to our very tight timeline. This is spot on and you have voiced it better than I could. Appeals are slow and what other legal avenues are they pursuing. As someone said you can indict a roast beef sandwich in our legal system. I see them stalling and the portal opens Dec 5th. If the new conference is not set by then they you have great points of concern, Mike. |
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Post by grayman on Nov 14, 2023 18:37:09 GMT -8
We don't have time to "see it through to the end". We need to know the Pac-12 assets and liabilities now. We need to know our standing in fhe CFP now. We need to know what can and will be done with the Pac-12 network and other workings of the Pac-12 now. We need to let our coaches and athletes know the path for the future NOW. The football transfer portal opens right after the CFP announcement in early December. It only stays open for 30 days, I believe. If we do not have a clear path forward and a clear idea of our budget for paying coaches by then, the players will have little choice but to put their names into the portal. They can't just let the 30 days go by and then find out that OSU has no conference, no games next season, and no budget to pay coaches. None of that is likely true, but the players can't assume the best and then find out the worst. They need to take care of themselves, and we (OSU) need to be able to give them hard facts ASAP...not after an appeals court and supreme court and everything else that could drag this out. The traitorous 10 knows this, of course. It seems to me that they are in no big hurry and will force OSU and WSU to negotiate from a position of weakness due to our very tight timeline. This is spot on and you have voiced it better than I could. Appeals are slow and what other legal avenues are they pursuing. As someone said you can indict a roast beef sandwich in our legal system. I see them stalling and the portal opens Dec 5th. If the new conference is not set by then they you have great points of concern, Mike. So you think OSU and WSU are unaware of these things? They will do what is necessary for the long term health of the athletic departments. The 2024 season was never going to be normal once the Pac-12 became the Pac-2. Players will leave if they don't want to move forward with the Pac-2. It's just how it is. It will most likely not be easy for fans. But it would have been waaaay worse if the Pac-2 had not won in court today. |
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