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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 20, 2023 5:38:29 GMT -8
You realize they basically couldn't afford to come back until the end of their new conference's media deals? Without seeing the actual contacts I'm betting any exit fees are near high 8 figures, if not more. The ACC GoR exit fee is supposedly $120mil and the ACC still has the broadcasting rights of the school leaves. The traitors may want to leave (very much doubt it as it's the Administration's call), but none could actually afford to. Yes, I understand that. But there is a lot we don’t know yet. For example, what will happen to their basketball teams, their beach volleyball teams. Will it be economically feasible for them to play so far out of their region? I don’t see how. I don’t see how it can be good for the schools, the students, or the states. It may be cheaper to buy themselves out. Wait and see, I guess. What’s the phrase? “They made their own beds and now they have to lay in them.” I expect a lot of regrets, but it’s hard to have a lot of compassion for the schools that left. |
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Post by sparty on Oct 20, 2023 5:44:37 GMT -8
Why would we take them back? Tradition. History. Money. Legitimacy. And most fans would rather watch the Beavs play them than Wyoming or Air Force. Do you think there will be a drop off in attendance? Don't most people attend games no matter what or are you thinking of the younger fan base of the future? |
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Post by irimi on Oct 20, 2023 6:08:58 GMT -8
Tradition. History. Money. Legitimacy. And most fans would rather watch the Beavs play them than Wyoming or Air Force. Do you think there will be a drop off in attendance? Don't most people attend games no matter what or are you thinking of the younger fan base of the future? A drop off for the next two years while we are the Pac 2? No. A dropp of if the merger happens? Absolutely. Compare the average attendances for our non-conference games versus most of our conference games. As a guy who buys tickets through resellers, I have clearly seen a difference. Plus, TV viewership will be down significantly, I expect. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 20, 2023 6:11:07 GMT -8
Yes, I understand that. But there is a lot we don’t know yet. For example, what will happen to their basketball teams, their beach volleyball teams. Will it be economically feasible for them to play so far out of their region? I don’t see how. I don’t see how it can be good for the schools, the students, or the states. It may be cheaper to buy themselves out. Wait and see, I guess. What’s the phrase? “They made their own beds and now they have to lay in them.” I expect a lot of regrets, but it’s hard to have a lot of compassion for the schools that left. That’s a great phrase, but if the Beavs and Cougs get a nice wad of cash, it may be easier to forgive and forget. Even the Eagles got back together. Lol |
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Post by beavaristotle on Oct 20, 2023 6:47:19 GMT -8
What’s the phrase? “They made their own beds and now they have to lay in them.” I expect a lot of regrets, but it’s hard to have a lot of compassion for the schools that left. That’s a great phrase, but if the Beavs and Cougs get a nice wad of cash, it may be easier to forgive and forget. Even the Eagles got back together. Lol as long as the beavers and cougars are Don Henley and Glenn Frye and the traitors are Timothy B Schmit and Scott F Crago in this scenario |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 20, 2023 7:51:17 GMT -8
Do you think there will be a drop off in attendance? Don't most people attend games no matter what or are you thinking of the younger fan base of the future? A drop off for the next two years while we are the Pac 2? No. A dropp of if the merger happens? Absolutely. Compare the average attendances for our non-conference games versus most of our conference games. As a guy who buys tickets through resellers, I have clearly seen a difference. Plus, TV viewership will be down significantly, I expect. I think it all depends on when we get on TV. OSU/SJSU was our highest rated game of the season. Over 3 million people watched that. Of course it was opening weekend, 3 PM on a Sunday with no NFL. Our conference matchups on regular broadcast are doing around 1.5M |
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Post by irimi on Oct 20, 2023 8:27:38 GMT -8
That’s a great phrase, but if the Beavs and Cougs get a nice wad of cash, it may be easier to forgive and forget. Even the Eagles got back together. Lol as long as the beavers and cougars are Don Henley and Glenn Frye and the traitors are Timothy B Schmit and Scott F Crago in this scenario I want the Beavs to be Joe Walsh. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 20, 2023 8:28:26 GMT -8
Do you think there will be a drop off in attendance? Don't most people attend games no matter what or are you thinking of the younger fan base of the future? A drop off for the next two years while we are the Pac 2? No. A dropp of if the merger happens? Absolutely. Compare the average attendances for our non-conference games versus most of our conference games. As a guy who buys tickets through resellers, I have clearly seen a difference. Plus, TV viewership will be down significantly, I expect. Except that's apples to oranges as those would now be conference games. Plus most MWC teams travel much better than most Pac12 teams. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 20, 2023 8:35:42 GMT -8
A drop off for the next two years while we are the Pac 2? No. A dropp of if the merger happens? Absolutely. Compare the average attendances for our non-conference games versus most of our conference games. As a guy who buys tickets through resellers, I have clearly seen a difference. Plus, TV viewership will be down significantly, I expect. I think it all depends on when we get on TV. OSU/SJSU was our highest rated game of the season. Over 3 million people watched that. Of course it was opening weekend, 3 PM on a Sunday with no NFL. Our conference matchups on regular broadcast are doing around 1.5M Wait, I thought nobody watches SJSU? Yep, they're going to have to get creative with scheduling. That'll be one nice thing about being top dogs in the conference, a bunch of OSU games will get best starting times for whoever the TV provider is. On the occasions we've had favorable scheduling we've drawn a good number of eyeballs. It's possible TV viewership could be better than its been several of the last 6-8 seasons. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 20, 2023 8:38:46 GMT -8
as long as the beavers and cougars are Don Henley and Glenn Frye and the traitors are Timothy B Schmit and Scott F Crago in this scenario I want the Beavs to be Joe Walsh. On a side note, Joe started showing up on my YouTube feed out of the blue for some reason. He's a kick in the pants, I've never really followed him much, had a couple songs I've always liked. I'd pay to watch him now. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 20, 2023 9:20:54 GMT -8
I want the Beavs to be Joe Walsh. On a side note, Joe started showing up on my YouTube feed out of the blue for some reason. He's a kick in the pants, I've never really followed him much, had a couple songs I've always liked. I'd pay to watch him now. I just remember him in an interview when I was young. When asked about the breakup, he said something like: Man, I'm still here. They left. I am the Eagles.
It's appropriate.
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Post by irimi on Oct 20, 2023 9:30:19 GMT -8
I think it all depends on when we get on TV. OSU/SJSU was our highest rated game of the season. Over 3 million people watched that. Of course it was opening weekend, 3 PM on a Sunday with no NFL. Our conference matchups on regular broadcast are doing around 1.5M Wait, I thought nobody watches SJSU? Yep, they're going to have to get creative with scheduling. That'll be one nice thing about being top dogs in the conference, a bunch of OSU games will get best starting times for whoever the TV provider is. On the occasions we've had favorable scheduling we've drawn a good number of eyeballs. It's possible TV viewership could be better than its been several of the ladt 6-8 seasons. We could play all our games in spring, like that other football league. Just being snarky.
My point all along is that if we rebuild the Pac, then we need to be selective otherwise we will lose any legitimacy that we have tried to earn. We need to be taken seriously. I could see SJSU being a member of the Pac, even if the traitors come crawling back.
But to turn away Oregon or Washington or even USC or UCLA would simply be foolish. Those teams are frequently discussed in the media and media exposure is important, if we want a Power 5 conference.
If we aren't looking to be a Power 5 conference, then that's a whole 'nother discussion.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 20, 2023 9:54:18 GMT -8
They're not coming back. Especially Oregon and Washington. Besides their institutional arrogance and unwillingness to ever admit they made a mistake, the longer they stay in the Big Ten, the more they get vested and the more money they earn. Washington is suing us. Oregon seems to think there is value being the lowest-ranked Big Ten school academically, by a substantial margin. Bridge burned.
USC and UCLA are the ones who started all this nonsense. What motivation would they ever have to return? Bridge burned.
Stanford and Cal decided to join a league and travel clear across the country FOR NO MONEY FOR NINE YEARS. Seems like they've screamed they don't want to associate with OSU/WSU/MWC, no matter the financial/logistical consequences. Bridge burned.
The Four Corners schools won't find life much different in the Big 12, their travel costs will be acceptable, they will be happy enough just having a spot in the worst of the P4 conferences. Bridge burned. I do think they will rue the loss of the "we play often in California" card when it comes to recruiting in that state.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 20, 2023 10:24:11 GMT -8
They're not coming back. Especially Oregon and Washington. Besides their institutional arrogance and unwillingness to ever admit they made a mistake, the longer they stay in the Big Ten, the more they get vested and the more money they earn. Washington is suing us. Oregon seems to think there is value being the lowest-ranked Big Ten school academically, by a substantial margin. Bridge burned. USC and UCLA are the ones who started all this nonsense. What motivation would they ever have to return? Bridge burned. Stanford and Cal decided to join a league and travel clear across the country FOR NO MONEY FOR NINE YEARS. Seems like they've screamed they don't want to associate with OSU/WSU/MWC, no matter the financial/logistical consequences. Bridge burned. The Four Corners schools won't find life much different in the Big 12, their travel costs will be acceptable, they will be happy enough just having a spot in the worst of the P4 conferences. Bridge burned. I do think they will rue the loss of the "we play often in California" card when it comes to recruiting in that state. Oregon and UW are fighting for the Pac12 money until the bitter end. Especially UW who has seen a precipitous drop in big donor money and is debt. Both counted on the Pac12 $ being there when they accepted the ridiculously lowball B10 offer of $30 mil per +1 mil more each of the next few years. I believe Maryland and Rutgers are now due to make full B10 shares. That in and of itself is embarrassing. All to finish middle of the pack. I have never understood some of the comments here about East coast eyes, being taken seriously, etc. By who? What real difference does it make? OSU/WSU will be seen "seriously" because we pick some select G5 teams (that can't afford their buyouts or extra travel)? OSU/WSU will be taken seriously by winning... even with a merged conference. OSU will have to up their NC slate in football and baseball, but that is already the case. The merged conference will still be a P5 conference and the winner still has the possibility of being in the top 12 of the CFP poll. For OSU it is a much better opportunity to be in the CFP conversation than if the Pac12 remained as OSU was never going to be consistently at the top of the Pac12 (sorry... it's a complete and utter fantasy if you think that) and in the title game to be in the CFP conversation. But, with all this speculation none of the CFP, supposed national respect, etc matters. MONEY does. Keeping programs funded/ Keeping coaches funded. And to make that happen, whatever it takes, is all that counts. The merger and going on as Pac2 are both realities right now. The B12 invite is not. But, more important is the control of the Pac12 revenue stream. That decisions changes or reinforces everything the OSU/WSU brain trust has planned. |
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Post by beaverdude on Oct 20, 2023 10:37:09 GMT -8
Oregon and UW are fighting for the Pac12 money until the bitter end. Especially UW who has seen a precipitous drop in big donor money and is debt. Both counted on the Pac12 $ being there when they accepted the ridiculously lowball B10 offer of $30 mil per +1 mil more each of the next few years. I believe Maryland and Rutgers are now due to make full B10 shares. That in and of itself is embarrassing. All to finish middle of the pack. I have never understood some of the comments here about East coast eyes, being taken seriously, etc. By who? What real difference does it make? OSU/WSU will be seen "seriously" because we pick some select G5 teams (that can't afford their buyouts or extra travel)? OSU/WSU will be taken seriously by winning... even with a merged conference. OSU will have to up their NC slate in football and baseball, but that is already the case. The merged conference will still be a P5 conference and the winner still has the possibility of being in the top 12 of the CFP poll. For OSU it is a much better opportunity to be in the CFP conversation than if the Pac12 remained as OSU was never going to be consistently at the top of the Pac12 (sorry... it's a complete and utter fantasy if you think that) and in the title game to be in the CFP conversation. But, with all this speculation none of the CFP, supposed national respect, etc matters. MONEY does. Keeping programs funded/ Keeping coaches funded. And to make that happen, whatever it takes, is all that counts. The merger and going on as Pac2 are both realities right now. The B12 invite is not. But, more important is the control of the Pac12 revenue stream. That decisions changes or reinforces everything the OSU/WSU brain trust has planned. I think the fight should be to recruit the Universities that will be harmed in the long term by the merger For example: Go after Baylor, Huston, Texas Tech, and TCU from the Big 12 before they get relegated out when there isn't enough TV money to pay all those teams. Grab Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, and Nebraska from the Big 10 I know that's wishful thinking but the message needs to be sent, if you are perceived as a team that takes more than it gives its not a matter of when you will be left behind. Let the Beavs and the Cougs become agents of chaos! |
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