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Post by jimbeav on Oct 13, 2023 19:44:35 GMT -8
Meh, I think this legal fight is the first of several. First we get control of the conference. Once we do that, we fight to keep it a power-5 and part of CFP (including payouts), even with 2 teams. I expect another court battle here. The NCAA says we have a 2 year grace period to remain a conference, so we make them stay true to that.
There are contracts in place. Conference bowl affiliations. CFP agreements. Everybody else will try to play the "common sense" card and say how ridiculous it is to have a 2 team conference, but we stand up to them all with the NCAA bylaws and signed contracts in hand, and make them enforce what everybody agreed to. You're damn right we are a conference, and everything is still in place.
Working out a MWC reverse merger should absolutely be done as a fallback option, and it may come to that a year or two down the line. But if we rush right in to that option immediately, I will be very disappointed in Barnes, and will question the wisdom of his extension.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 13, 2023 20:51:42 GMT -8
Meh, I think this legal fight is the first of several. First we get control of the conference. Once we do that, we fight to keep it a power-5 and part of CFP (including payouts), even with 2 teams. I expect another court battle here. The NCAA says we have a 2 year grace period to remain a conference, so we make them stay true to that. There are contracts in place. Conference bowl affiliations. CFP agreements. Everybody else will try to play the "common sense" card and say how ridiculous it is to have a 2 team conference, but we stand up to them all with the NCAA bylaws and signed contracts in hand, and make them enforce what everybody agreed to. You're damn right we are a conference, and everything is still in place. Working out a MWC reverse merger should absolutely be done as a fallback option, and it may come to that a year or two down the line. But if we rush right in to that option immediately, I will be very disappointed in Barnes, and will question the wisdom of his extension. Prepare for the possibility of being disappointed. If there's a settlement in the next 31 days there could be a merger by December. It solves a lot of things. Scheduling, probably recruiting and player retention to a certain degree, likely keeps P5 status for at least 2 years if rumors are true. There's a LOT of things that could go wrong if they try to go at it with just 2 teams. The reverse merger could solve a lot of the potential legal battles around just being a 2 team conference as well. |
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 14, 2023 6:54:16 GMT -8
Meh, I think this legal fight is the first of several. First we get control of the conference. Once we do that, we fight to keep it a power-5 and part of CFP (including payouts), even with 2 teams. I expect another court battle here. The NCAA says we have a 2 year grace period to remain a conference, so we make them stay true to that. There are contracts in place. Conference bowl affiliations. CFP agreements. Everybody else will try to play the "common sense" card and say how ridiculous it is to have a 2 team conference, but we stand up to them all with the NCAA bylaws and signed contracts in hand, and make them enforce what everybody agreed to. You're damn right we are a conference, and everything is still in place. Working out a MWC reverse merger should absolutely be done as a fallback option, and it may come to that a year or two down the line. But if we rush right in to that option immediately, I will be very disappointed in Barnes, and will question the wisdom of his extension. Prepare for the possibility of being disappointed. If there's a settlement in the next 31 days there could be a merger by December. It solves a lot of things. Scheduling, probably recruiting and player retention to a certain degree, likely keeps P5 status for at least 2 years if rumors are true. There's a LOT of things that could go wrong if they try to go at it with just 2 teams. The reverse merger could solve a lot of the potential legal battles around just being a 2 team conference as well. Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 14, 2023 7:13:34 GMT -8
I'm sure there are fans in the Big 12 hoping they don't get saddled with the OSUs and WSUs of the world, too.
You take the best option. What they determine that is, time will tell.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 14, 2023 7:40:40 GMT -8
Prepare for the possibility of being disappointed. If there's a settlement in the next 31 days there could be a merger by December. It solves a lot of things. Scheduling, probably recruiting and player retention to a certain degree, likely keeps P5 status for at least 2 years if rumors are true. There's a LOT of things that could go wrong if they try to go at it with just 2 teams. The reverse merger could solve a lot of the potential legal battles around just being a 2 team conference as well. Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... You mean 5-1 Wyoming who knocked off a top 25 team last week and who’s only loss is to Texas? I don’t get all of the Wyoming hate. They have a pretty good program. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 14, 2023 8:23:41 GMT -8
Prepare for the possibility of being disappointed. If there's a settlement in the next 31 days there could be a merger by December. It solves a lot of things. Scheduling, probably recruiting and player retention to a certain degree, likely keeps P5 status for at least 2 years if rumors are true. There's a LOT of things that could go wrong if they try to go at it with just 2 teams. The reverse merger could solve a lot of the potential legal battles around just being a 2 team conference as well. Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... I would point out that Wyoming is ranked 51st by Massey's FBS rankings, higher than several current PAC-12 schools. SJSU is not the lowest ranked team in the MWC. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 14, 2023 9:15:01 GMT -8
Wyoming's small population limits its fan base. Hard to have a huge fan base when there are less than 600,000 people in the state and three of the five biggest cities (Sheridan, Casper, Green River/Rock Springs) are at least a three-hour drive from Laramie and not always fun to make in November.
It doesn't limit how good the program usually is, or how good its facilities are. They would be a fine addition to the conference, if it comes to that.
There is a world of difference between Wyoming and San Jose State. If you want to pick out somebody else in the MWC to pick on, New Mexico is a much better target.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 14, 2023 9:46:20 GMT -8
Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... You mean 5-1 Wyoming who knocked off a top 25 team last week and who’s only loss is to Texas? I don’t get all of the Wyoming hate. They have a pretty good program. Funny... there is only "mental gymnastics" involved when someone thinks the MWC merger is the best, most realistic, option. Yet, none when they state other options (if any are even mentioned) are going to destroy recruiting, coaches will leave, and the MWC is worthless. Really, who's living in the fantasy world doing the "mental gymnastics"?? |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 14, 2023 9:54:35 GMT -8
Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... You mean 5-1 Wyoming who knocked off a top 25 team last week and who’s only loss is to Texas? I don’t get all of the Wyoming hate. They have a pretty good program. There are less people in the entire state of Wyoming that there are people in the city limits of Portland. University of Wyoming has barely a $500M endowment and 11,000 students. That is it. That is why. Conference realignment has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the football program and everything to do with the fan base/alumni base of the school. Oregon State and WSU have better football programs than half the teams still in major P5 conferences... Hell, even considering our disastorous Anderpants era, we have better records over the past 20 years then half of other schools. But we are on the outside looking in because we are in Corvallis and Pullman, and our alum base happen to share the same media market of teams already picked. But these worse programs are locked in, because they are old money schools, with old money alum and generally in large metro areas. Ironically, University of Wyoming is actually a much better overall school than SJSU... but SJSU is a better conference partner because... well, they are a 35K student school in the middle of San Jose, that has its own city limits population of over 1 million people, and then is connected to the larger Bay Area, with around 20 million people. Which means, if San Jose was to get good, they have a larger potential to be relevant with viewership. Big if... but it matters. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 14, 2023 10:17:14 GMT -8
You mean 5-1 Wyoming who knocked off a top 25 team last week and who’s only loss is to Texas? I don’t get all of the Wyoming hate. They have a pretty good program. There are less people in the entire state of Wyoming that there are people in the city limits of Portland. University of Wyoming has barely a $500M endowment and 11,000 students. That is it. That is why. Conference realignment has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the football program and everything to do with the fan base/alumni base of the school. Oregon State and WSU have better football programs than half the teams still in major P5 conferences... Hell, even considering our disastorous Anderpants era, we have better records over the past 20 years then half of other schools. But we are on the outside looking in because we are in Corvallis and Pullman, and our alum base happen to share the same media market of teams already picked. But these worse programs are locked in, because they are old money schools, with old money alum and generally in large metro areas. Ironically, University of Wyoming is actually a much better overall school than SJSU... but SJSU is a better conference partner because... well, they are a 35K student school in the middle of San Jose, that has its own city limits population of over 1 million people, and then is connected to the larger Bay Area, with around 20 million people. Which means, if San Jose was to get good, they have a larger potential to be relevant with viewership. Big if... but it matters. Nobody gives a crap about SJSU football. Even when they’ve had good years, their crowds are terrible. Wyoming has a bigger fan following than SJSU. If your logic was correct, maybe we should add Portland St. |
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 14, 2023 11:37:26 GMT -8
There are less people in the entire state of Wyoming that there are people in the city limits of Portland. University of Wyoming has barely a $500M endowment and 11,000 students. That is it. That is why. Conference realignment has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the football program and everything to do with the fan base/alumni base of the school. Oregon State and WSU have better football programs than half the teams still in major P5 conferences... Hell, even considering our disastorous Anderpants era, we have better records over the past 20 years then half of other schools. But we are on the outside looking in because we are in Corvallis and Pullman, and our alum base happen to share the same media market of teams already picked. But these worse programs are locked in, because they are old money schools, with old money alum and generally in large metro areas. Ironically, University of Wyoming is actually a much better overall school than SJSU... but SJSU is a better conference partner because... well, they are a 35K student school in the middle of San Jose, that has its own city limits population of over 1 million people, and then is connected to the larger Bay Area, with around 20 million people. Which means, if San Jose was to get good, they have a larger potential to be relevant with viewership. Big if... but it matters. Nobody gives a crap about SJSU football. Even when they’ve had good years, their crowds are terrible. Wyoming has a bigger fan following than SJSU. If your logic was correct, maybe we should add Portland St. Sweet! Flame wars about who's better, SJSU or Wyoming. What riveting college football banter. This is EXACTLY what football fans all over the country are talking about, and I can't WAIT to insert ourselves into this captivating national storyline. We should definitely jump at the chance to get in on this before exploring whether we might have legal or financial leverage for a P4 invite. MWC or bust! Wheee! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 14, 2023 11:57:03 GMT -8
Nobody gives a crap about SJSU football. Even when they’ve had good years, their crowds are terrible. Wyoming has a bigger fan following than SJSU. If your logic was correct, maybe we should add Portland St. Sweet! Flame wars about who's better, SJSU or Wyoming. What riveting college football banter. This is EXACTLY what football fans all over the country are talking about, and I can't WAIT to insert ourselves into this captivating national storyline. We should definitely jump at the chance to get in on this before exploring whether we might have legal or financial leverage for a P4 invite. MWC or bust! Wheee! So, I’ll mark you down for bribing us into a P4 conference. Don’t hold your breath. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 14, 2023 13:55:35 GMT -8
Prepare for the possibility of being disappointed. If there's a settlement in the next 31 days there could be a merger by December. It solves a lot of things. Scheduling, probably recruiting and player retention to a certain degree, likely keeps P5 status for at least 2 years if rumors are true. There's a LOT of things that could go wrong if they try to go at it with just 2 teams. The reverse merger could solve a lot of the potential legal battles around just being a 2 team conference as well. Any solution that saddles us with the San Jose St's and Wyoming's of the world for time immemorial is, at best, a last resort. To jump right into that just to gain short term stability would be very short-sighted. I know you and many others feel differently, and have already done the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that everything will be ok if we go this route. That's fine, I'm not there yet. And I hope like hell Barnes and Chun aren't there yet either... What mental gymnastics have you done to convince yourself that OSU is getting an offer from a P4 conference? |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 14, 2023 17:39:51 GMT -8
Nobody gives a crap about SJSU football. Even when they’ve had good years, their crowds are terrible. Wyoming has a bigger fan following than SJSU. If your logic was correct, maybe we should add Portland St. Sweet! Flame wars about who's better, SJSU or Wyoming. What riveting college football banter. This is EXACTLY what football fans all over the country are talking about, and I can't WAIT to insert ourselves into this captivating national storyline. We should definitely jump at the chance to get in on this before exploring whether we might have legal or financial leverage for a P4 invite. MWC or bust! Wheee! Here's a clue... Football fans across the country aren't talking about OSU no matter the conference! |
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Post by grayman on Oct 15, 2023 13:59:04 GMT -8
OSU has been talked about quite a bit by media pundits/college football reporters/sports radio personalities/sports TV personalities/columnists, etc., pretty much on a constant basis since all the realignment stuff happened to create the Pac-2 in August and it has continued in part because OSU has stayed ranked throughout the season...
As far as "fans" go...do any talk much about any team except the one they support? Not many I would say. And certainly not much about teams that are out of their conference.
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